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You say it's a fact that a very tiny # of unvaccinated people, who also never got covid so have no natural immunity, are causing millions of excess deaths every year. Show the data. What percentage of deaths from covid now are the unvaccinated compared to the vaccinated. You say it's a fact. Show me.

Excess deaths in the US continue to rise year after year. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Ooooooh, like when you were convinced a virus can tell if you're sitting or standing in a restaurant. And can "get you" when you're buying nails at Mom & Pop's hardware store, but if you buy them from Home Depot, the virus goes "Damn, now we can't get him!" Or when we abandoned aerosol physics and everyone believed their lives were saved by directional arrows on the floor. Or like when we REALLY went back to the Dark Ages and told everyone natural immunity doesn't exist? LOL, you crack me up.

Where did you get these "facts" from? You made a statement that flies in the face of epidemiology, vaccinology and immunology. And you think that's sufficient? 🤣

That's it? That's your whole argument? No studies that show this happening - the effect of how deadly a disease is, how many infected? No studies that show the mechanisms of why it would happen? No data? No stats? That's it? Just a statement. Huh.

Deaths went UP. In spite of mass vaccination, natural immunity and the death of the vulnerable early on. There will only be a very small number of unvaccinated left. And the majority of them survived covid and have natural immunity. Nearly everyone has had it. You are saying that years later, that small number of people are the reason why deaths are going UP every year - in spite of mass vaxxing, natural immunity AND early deaths in the vulnerable population AND a virus that is far less deadly. Put up or shut up, baby. Let's see your work.

Yes, you qualified your first statement by now claiming that "sometimes", depending on those factors, we should expect deaths to go UP after mass vaccinating. Show it. Show your work. I showed the reasons why we should expect them to go DOWN. Now you show why they should go UP.

No. Your claim is that deaths are SUPPOSED TO GO UP. You prove it. Use lots of medical studies that show deaths going UP after mass vaccinating for a disease. Explain the mechanisms for how that happens. Show the experiments, show the trials. Show the data. Show the stats.

Yes. You keep insisting that after mass vaccination, deaths ARE SUPPOSED TO GO UP. I'm saying they are SUPPOSED TO GO DOWN.

You asked for a court case.

My logic was used in court and it won, so...... maybe YOU should go up against Mr. Siri in court. You seem to know more than the CDC. AND Stanley Plotkin! You should call them and let them know that your logic is winning on a political discussion board, so you can surely take on Mr. Siri in a court of law.

Well your logic is that they should go UP and that means they're working, so...... 🤣

No. If you want to read the information, it's better if you see it yourself and can look up the references yourself. You can thank Aaron Siri for forcing Pfizer to release their trial data. They wanted it hidden for 75 years and Mr. Siri was the lawyer who took them to court and got the documentation released. Although I suspect you agree with Pfizer on that one, as well. For instance, people claim that there are mountains of studies that show vaccines do not cause autism. Mr. Siri has gone to court over this for decades. The CDC, FDA, etc - the truth is, they have no studies that show that.

Riiiiight. So........ "sometimes" mass vaccinating for a disease should make deaths from that disease go up? Really hard to take you seriously.

No, I want to leave the discussion with you because you have no clue what you're talking about. Tell me this: Are you willing to put your vaccine beliefs on the line against a lawyer who has been taking vaccines to court for decades? Because for me, here's the problem with you and others here - a lot of your talking points have already been proven to be false in court, using CDC studies and data and their very best vaccinologists. Including the illustrious godfather of vaccines - Stanley Plotkin. Because you don't know the start of everything, you try to jump in somewhere in the middle of vaccine education and it makes it really difficult when you don't even know the basics.

Basically your argument is that deaths for a particular disease SHOULD GO UP after mass vaccinating for said disease. How odd. I don't think I wish to engage you further. I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about.

And so did the vaccinated. Did you not read my post above? The CDC said over 68% had immunity either from natural or vaccine-induced. Are you disputing their claim? I actually believe it was higher, if the number of "cases" claimed were real. Each one would have had natural immunity. It doesn't. You're incorrect. I concur that it had a limited time frame to do so for some vulnerable populations. But then deaths increased. Both in real life and in the trials. Again, a vax that decreases cases initially but increases deaths overall, should never have been marketed or mandated.

Another factor to consider, the number of deaths claimed to be caused by covid-19 is unprecedented as compared to all other diseases that we are vaccinated against. CDC data shows plainly that for most diseases, there were only about a few dozen or a few hundred deaths per year PRIOR to the introduction of a vaccine for any given disease. And these deaths typically occurred before there were significant advances in both general and acute medical care, universal sanitation, etc. In contrast, the CDC claims covid-19 killed hundreds of thousands per year. Meaning, even for a disease they claimed killed so many, with far more advanced medical technology, billions of taxpayer dollars and over 80% vax rate - they cannot show the vaccines reduced overall mortality. The claim that "vaccines saved millions of lives" - can be traced back to a citation from the Commonwealth Fund. It's not a peer-reviewed study. It's a blog. The blog was based on a mathematical model. We have to be careful of the evidence we are relying on to make grandiose claims. If you went to court with a blog that used a mathematical model, you'd be laughed out of the courtroom. You can't point to data that doesn't exist.

The confounders to your argument would be: percentage of vax uptake in the population, which we know was very high in both Canada and the US a large portion of unvaccinated would have natural immunity the data shows higher rates of death and hospitalization amongst the vaccinated the vax does not confer immunity Your argument is invalid unless you account for those confounders.

When the popularity level of a political party keeps going up, at the same time as a country keeps declining, that's some North Korea level propaganda.

Not sure if you're aware of this or not, but you if someone posts something you don't like or starts a topic you're not interested in, you can just scroll past. I do it all the time. MH makes good use of the ignore function. You could put me on ignore. I don't want you having a heart attack because of your obsession with me.

And instead spam it by following certain posters around and posting the exact same sentence over & over & over?

I know you like to follow me around from topic to topic posting this exact same thing nearly every day, but frankly, you're getting boring. This is a political discussion board. If you don't want to discuss the topics, then maybe go for a walk?

Canada's manufacturing sector was in decline during the Trudeau/Liberal years and hit recession level 2 years ago. On April 1, Carney will raise the industrial carbon tax. Again. He is so ideologically captured that he will further risk the livelihoods of millions of working-class Canadians.

No. That's just what you keep saying I said.