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No one has said that. You and others keep spouting that that's what's being said, but it's really not.

Yes, I know you do not agree that misogyny is more prevalent in Islam than in other religions. Until I see another religion - on the same world-wide scale as Islam - that beats and kills women for not dressing how they proscribe, who performs FGM on the same scale, who denies women basic human rights in every country ruled by the religion, kills women in the name of "honour", with explicit teachings in their holy book about how and with what they may beat their wives,......I will likely never understand your reasons for disagreeing. But I respect your right to disagree.

Excuse me? A man who feels entitled to beat on his wife in public, obviously has certain beliefs about women. That is not complex or unrealistic. I don't "arbitrarily" dislike wife-beaters. Your comments are weird.

C'mon. Do I really need to explain to you why a religion that churns out humans who behead for blasphemy, burns alive other humans, mistreats women/girls and is currently wreaking havoc all over the world would turn a lot of other humans off? Do you really need an objective principle or rule to say these things are wrong? I absolutely will judge a culture on its beliefs. Especially when they are harmful. These things are not "culture". They are harmful religious teachings.

Which I do not. My stance has always been that Islam condones and promotes misogyny, which leads to mistreatment of women. More so than other religions.

Here's the problem with that: Of course you will find a small pocket of another religious group doing the same thing (interestingly, Christians often do the same as Muslims in Muslim-ruled countries, but it is outside the scope of what Christianity normally does. For example - FGM.) but it is never on the same scale as Islamic countries, so not a real equivalency.

At times, we all do. Of course we do. We must. My neighbour who constantly cuffed his wife across her head....you bet I judged his belief that women are trash who need to be cuffed across the head. According to some here, the problem in this scenario is ME - I should not be judging him or the stone-age religious belief that inspires his treatment of his wife.

I somewhat disagree with this part. Yes, people should be judged on their own merits. But if you choose to openly attach yourself to a questionable group, it is natural for others to assume certain things about you. If you're wearing a KISS t-shirt, I'm going to assume you like that band. For instance - could I join the KKK, only because I enjoy their fellowship and agree with "some" of their beliefs, am attached to their style of dress, live in a predominantly KKK area or whatever - and then claim I'm not part of the violent aspects of the group? If I choose to dress as a KKK member, should I really be surprised and offended when others associate me with that group? If a "large part" (as you say) of a group holds violent, misogynistic, barbaric beliefs - why on earth would someone want to associate themselves with that group? Like it or not, we are judged by others for the groups we attach ourselves to.

I questioned you first as to why you believe religion doesn't affect people's behaviours, stating my belief that it does. You are now "softening" your view by saying that it's not the ONLY cause. Mmmm-hmmmm ? Diversionary. We're not talking about that. Muslim isn't a race.

No, I don't. I just recognize when religious zealotry is at work. You are the one who keeps making the statement that religion in no way affects people's behaviour. You have to prove it. I'm not here to do your research for you.

Google "link between a person's behaviour and religion" and literally pages full of information that it absolutely does. You choose not to see it. I realize that you likely have zero experience with religious zealotry, but c'mon already.....people let their babies DIE for religion, people blow up, run over, behead and burn alive other humans in the name of religion. It's right there in front of you.

It's very naïve to believe that religion never causes someone to behave a certain way. It most certainly does. I think you vastly underestimate religious zealotry. In my old religion, people routinely let their children die, rather than let them have a blood transfusion. And when Muslim terrorists all over the world yell "Allahu Akbar" when committing atrocities, it's foolish to deny the religious connection.

Nothing in what he said, says he agrees with it. You read far too much into statements. Very much like the murderer of this family.

No one has said that, but you. I'm sure not EVERY Palestinian voted for Hamas - a known terrorist organization. However, the fact is that the majority did, knowing full well that their mandate/constitution is to kill the Jews. You engage in the same thing you accuse others of. No one has said they would block the escape of moderate Muslims who want to get out of Palestine because they don't like Hamas.

I was referring to *this* comment, smarty-pants/mouthy-pants: "So we have Yzermanius and BCSapper who support the murder of this family, because it's validated by Muslim crimes in others parts of the world. " No one here supports the murdering of this family.

You didn't "call out Muslim haters." You said directly that anyone who doesn't care for the religion "supports" the murder of this family. To someone who is very clear on here about not liking the religion, but has no problem with peaceful Muslims. Big difference. But stay the course, I guess....

Yes, that was my point.

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Yay for your neighbour. I lived in a predominantly Muslim area and very few women OR girls were allowed outside - hijab or not. And we regularly saw one get cuffed across the head when she did, as she made her way to the car. If Islam is a misogynistic religion, as you say - then why portray it as being so rare? It's really not.

ALL people, religious or not, are prone to being manipulated by dangerous ideologies. This is why it's best to stay far away from such dangerous thinking and propaganda - religious, political or whatever. It seems to me that it is YOU who see Muslims as being unlike other humans - somehow superior, as if they are impervious to their own dangerous/harmful religious beliefs, of which there are many in Islam - and openly practiced in most Islamic countries. (I was "talked to" once or twice about how I dressed in my fanatical Christian cult - but I was never afraid of being killed for how I dressed, as a woman. I left that same cult, and while I am shunned - I do not fear anyone killing me for leaving.)

My understanding of the history of Cuba is that there are no native Cubans. They are all descendants of either African slaves or the Spaniards, who conquered and killed the entire native population. Not excusing Canada's mess. It was just a bit shocking when I learned about the Cubans.

While I'm sure not all of them support the terrorist government they elected, how do YOU know which ones do and which ones do not support it? You don't. The general population voluntarily elected a known terrorist group to govern. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It is. Read their government Charter/Covenent. It's very explicit about killing the Jews and taking over Israel and making it an Islamic state. One side here does not want peace.

Hamas was a democratically elected government. That means the people chose them. On purpose. The governing Charter (or Covenant) of the Hamas government is to "fight the Jews and kill them" and replace Israel with an Islamic state. What part of "kill the Jews" is difficult for some of you to understand? If my next-door neighbors were actively trying to kill me, telling everyone they want to kill me......I don't think it's anyone's place to tell Israel to back off or criticize them for how they handle this.

Religious beliefs are some of the hardest to un-entrench and reform, as they are largely immune to logic and reason and have "God/Allah says" as their "proof". Large numbers of people with strongly entrenched and harmful/violent religious beliefs are dangerous. Add in large numbers of others who believe "To each his own" and they become deadly.