Goddess

No, human laws are not natural consequences. Covid is a natural thing. It's been around for millennia, it will continue to be around for millennia. If you're buying into the ZERO-covid narrative, you're being deceived. If you're jabbed and still terrified to walk the streets, then stay home.

No. No. You don't get to "create" the consequences. The natural consequence of not getting the jab is what? Like a fraction of a percentage more that you will be hospitalized. This is like the hijab thing - "It's totally your choice to wear it or not. But if you leave the house without it, we'll beat you senseless. But it's totally your choice." No. You don't get to "create" the consequences.

You have the right to not be INTENTIONALLY infected by others. There is legislation for that. But no one has the right to be NOT infected with anything. That's "act of God" stuff. People go around infecting others with the flu and the common cold all year long, both of which are also deadlier and harder on the elderly and those with comorbidities. What are you going to do, start suing the person (you think) gave you the flu and cost you a week at work? Grama gets a flu, which turns into pneumonia, which leads to cardiac arrest - are you going to sue? And who do you sue? All this for an illness with over 99% survival rate. It's like shooting a bazooka into a crowd to kill a mosquito.

My sister is 2 1/2 months since her last jab and she is still barely able to work. She was off work for a week with the first jab, off for 2 weeks with the second. Now having crippling migraines, body aches, racing heart, nausea.....they are telling her NOT to get any boosters. But no one wants to hear about any of those people.

This is me too. It's the lying. Why are they doing it? Fear. Look even here, there are people advocating denying healthcare to unvaxxed, sending them to camps, denying them basic freedoms, plunking them in refrigerated cooler when they get sick "because that's where dead bodies go" even though there's a 99% chance of most surviving, without being elderly and having comorbidities. It's scary how fast this has turned and the fear that created that is making normally sensible, rational people throw their fellow citizens under the bus.

Or yours is.

If you had read the information and comprehended it, you would have seen that they also were using a very broad definition of "covid death." Anyone who died within 29 days and had been previously diagnosed with covid was counted as a "covid death".

Haha, the fearmongerers never want to discuss the actual facts about this pandemic.

And Sweden did all this without the dividing of people into "Vaxxed people = good, Unvaxxed people = bad and need to be shunned".

There is no rational basis for mandatory vaccination - PANDA (biznews.com) I agree with this article that we have completely thrown science and everything we know about coronaviruses, vaccines and how they work out the window. I don't know why. But I think the remarks about Sweden are very pertinent. THE INFECTION FATALITY RATE According to the World Health Organisation, the mean infection fatality rate (“IFR”) for COVID-19 is less than 0.2%. This is the percentage of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 who die. That data has now been fleshed out in more detail in a recent paper. Across all countries, the median IFR and the infection survival rate were as follows (rounded to two decimal places): That is the extent of the problem that public health policies like lockdowns and mandatory vaccines are solving for. And this is the first elephant no one is talking about. Sweden Fearmongers don’t like counterfactuals. As the virus took hold, most governments told us that we would only be saved by lockdowns, masks and giving up hard-won human rights. Sweden said, “We’ll stick to the plan, thanks.” Sweden did very little to try to stop the virus. It did not lock down, Swedes did not wear masks, most schools remained open, few businesses were shut. For more than a year, Sweden’s demise was predicted. Time Magazine said that Sweden’s “experiment of not implementing early and strong measures to safeguard the population … is almost certain to result in a net failure in terms of death and suffering.” It was not Sweden that was conducting an experiment. Sweden followed the plans that had been prepared all over the world for dealing with respiratory pandemics. Lockdowns are the experiment. Sweden’s economy has performed better than any other in Europe in 2020 and shows spectacular growth in 2021. That performance has not been at the expense of lives. Comparing mortality across countries is difficult given the differences in the way countries count deaths. Sweden is in 39th position on the Worldometer rankings in terms of deaths per million from COVID-19 – ahead of countries like the UK and the USA where harsh lockdowns were implemented. However, it is easy to manipulate death data to make people afraid. Simply use very sensitive tests to “diagnose” the virus and use very inclusive definitions to decide which deaths are linked to the virus. In Sweden if you tested positive for COVID and died 29 days later, you were counted as a COVID death. That wasn’t the case in all parts of the USA for example. However, one constant metric is “all-cause mortality”, i.e. the total number of people that die from all causes in any year. What does Sweden look like? Sweden’s all-cause mortality in 2020/2021 was unchanged from prior years. 2019/2020 was only slightly above average, probably explained by the lower than usual preceding year. If there hadn’t been a magnifying glass on COVID-19 infections, no one in Sweden would have noticed a pandemic. The reason? There were not actually that many deaths from COVID-19; there were simply a lot of deaths “with COVID-19”, most of which took place amongst those at high risk of death. Life expectancy in Sweden is about 82 years. Around 26% of deaths were of people over 90 years old, about 67% were over 80 and 89% were over 70. Less than 1% of those who died were under 50. Let that sink for a moment. In Sweden, where there were essentially no lockdowns, less than 1% of the victims who were captured by a very broad definition of deaths with COVID were under 50 and more than two thirds of the deaths occurred in people who had lived about as long as they were expected to live. Countries that imposed the novel lockdown policy do not look like Sweden. South Africa imposed lockdowns before the first COVID death occurred. It has one of the highest excess death rates in the world, despite imposing one of the harshest and longest lockdowns. It also has a government that has been caught manipulating the excess deaths data to generate the highest possible death numbers. The USA similarly fared badly. The only conclusion to draw from this is that the lockdown experiment and other poorly-conceived public health responses killed people who did not need to die. Cancelling sports and closing gyms makes people less healthy, causing the number 1 COVID comorbidity – obesity. Making people miserable and afraid causes the number 2 COVID comorbidity – fear and anxiety-based disorders. COVID-19 vaccinations are voluntary in Sweden. Sweden does not try to diminish the side effects of the vaccines, but refers citizens to the manufacturers’ documentation which also lists serious side effects. Sweden promises citizens that, “If you are offered a vaccination against COVID-19, you will be able to decide for yourself, based on the available knowledge of the disease and the vaccine. You will also be given information about the vaccine before you need to make a decision.” This is called informed consent and it is a basic principle of medicine that other countries have ignored. Sweden tells its citizens openly that vaccines will not stop the pandemic rather than telling people that normality will only return when everyone has been jabbed. Sweden has delivered enough vaccines to cover about 50% of the population since it began rolling out vaccines in December 2020. It has zero deaths currently. It turns out Sweden was a country to emulate, not to disparage. It turns out that you don’t need to vaccinate the population to control COVID-19; you just need to do what centuries of science told us to do.

Definitely agree on that.

You. You're the one demanding everyone get the jab, no matter what the personal risks are to themselves or future issues or any other the other reasons I've given you or be ostracized from society. For an illness with a 99% survival rate. Not me living in fear, honey. 100% you.

That doesn't even make any sense. None of those people are demanding the things you are, based in fear and terror.

I worked in medical during the H1N1 scare and I honestly have never seen so many adverse, and life-altering reactions, including death from a flu vaccine before. Normally, any vaccine or pharmaceutical that results in even a tiny fraction of the deaths that have happened from this vaccine - it is pulled off the shelves. So it's odd to me that it is being forced on the public.

Part of the reason I'm hesitant (personally) is because my sister is double vaxxed. Her vax is likely worn off now as she's been in contact with covid twice since then and had to quarantine. More lost work wages. The first jab - she was deathly ill for a week - could only see through a black tunnel and almost completely lost her hearing, fever, chills, vomiting for days, racing heart. Public health came out to the house to check on her. The second jab was worse, she was down for almost 2 weeks and the nausea and vomiting was way worse. Again public health was involved and now they are telling NOT to get any "boosters". She's barely been able to work in the last 2 1/2 months because of recurring migraines and intermittent nausea. We share quite a few minor health issues in common and genes, obviously. And I'm 7 years older than her. So yes, definitely hesitant. I do feel like my chances of having a adverse, life-altering reaction to the vax is way more than catching covid and having a 99% chance of being just fine.

I'm sorry/not sorry that you and Dialamah are living in terror. I'm also not anti-vax. I'm vax hesitant and 100% against the passports. I mask, I wash my hands many times a day, I frankly rarely go anywhere besides work and no one at my work is living in terror, either. I know you would love it for me to live in the same fear & trembling you do, but I won't. Too stressful, which as you know - is very bad for your health.

How's that vaccine working out for you? You can still catch and spread covid, depending on when you got the jab it's probably worn off already and you have a lifetime of boosters waiting for you with all the adverse effects of those and god only knows what effects it will have on you in the future and you live in terror of the unvaxxed.

It's really not just covid. Especially now with large vax numbers. That's why so many in healthcare are pissed. They are closing beds IN ANTICIPATION of large covid numbers (supposedly) but many in hospitals are saying they do not see emerg rooms full or hospitals struggling to keep up - especially now with large vax numbers. Not that there aren't small pockets of outbreaks which tax the system, but frankly, it's not just the unvaxxed. Vaxxed in greater numbers are returning to hospitals and ICUs. There's even facebook pages and other blogs where people are sending in pictures of their supposedly overrun emerg rooms - but they are completely empty. I've seen evidence of bots sending out tweets and posts with the EXACT SAME WORDING supposedly saying "I was just at emerg and doctors can't keep up with the covid patients!" Different profiles and names - Exact. Same. Wording. Many in healthcare are saying it's not covid that is causing the closures, it's budget cuts. During a pandemic. Why you are not up in arms about that, is beyond me. And the government playing games to keep people like you in fear and turning on your fellow citizens. I do think we are being played. You are, for sure.

As you know, it didn't start that way. And this IS what you are advocating for - a visible sign that a person is an outcast and wanting them segregated from society. Why do you think so many unions, groups and legal experts are challenging the passports, which you passionately want? Maybe if you put just a fraction of that passion into demanding the end of healthcare cuts which are leaving hospitals understaffed and closing beds and cutting nurses and doctors.......there wouldn't be a crisis. Especially with the vast majority of the herd vaxxed.

I'm not. I see the similarities in everything you espouse. There are some differences, but there are too many similarities to ignore.

Like most thinking people, I've often wondered why so many of the German public went along with the governmental propaganda which advocated the segregation and social outcasting of the Jews. And I've wondered how I would have reacted? Would I just go along with the propaganda? Would I rationalize that it was for the good of society? Would I disagree but keep my mouth shut about it? This has sure cleared up any lingering doubts I had about whether I would blindly follow government propaganda and participate in the outcasting and segregation of certain of my fellow citizens and denying them of basic human rights, such as healthcare and employment. I also see in plain black and white English right here, the thinking that leads to such tragedies and the stark refusal to see anything other than the propaganda or address any of the arguments. Just "The unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed and our economy and life as we know it. They must be stopped, shut out of society and outcasted."

Finally. You get the point. With so many vaxxed and the vax being of course, the cure for covid, there really shouldn't be a problem.

I guess you have forgotten that they did this at the beginning of covid too. Made the beds available by not filling them and postponing surgeries in anticipation of large numbers of covid patients. When that didn't happen, they opened them back up. Since there is now around 80% vaccinated, I'm not sure why they are doing this again. There should be LESS covid patients now, yes? I mean, the vaccine is working and no vaxxed persons are using ICU's, yes?

It was on the AHS website. Still there, actually. 8500 beds in acute care and 98.5% of them are available.

Maybe he doesn't just read the government-paid-for mass media? Maybe he considers other viewpoints, perspectives and experiences? Maybe he is able to use common sense and rational thinking more so than you are?