Goddess

No I didn't. I said I had taken other vaccines. I did not tell you "all about" them. Or which ones I have taken. It's up to me to divulge. Or not. I respect everyone's decision as to what they will take into their bodies after they weigh all the risks. You have no such respect. You seem to feel entitled to know the how and the why and everything about other people's medical choices. You seem to feel that it's okay to force people to do things medically that they are uncomfortable with doing.

Where did I say that? Again, you are not an honest debater. You and others here insist that coronavirus research is not new. I agree. So with all that research they have done, why did not they not isolate the vulnerable from the beginning? We all know flus are harder on the elderly and obese. Why did they not do this? Our country has had a clear pandemic plan for years and they tossed it all out the window. Lockdowns, masks, shutting down of businesses and schools, destruction of the economy was to be the LAST resort in catastrophic circumstances only, not the FIRST. Is it me personally who is killing people? Or was it someone else (government? Big Pharma?......) who killed all those vulnerable people? Its very convenient and gives you that lovely self-righteous glow to believe that the un-vaxxed are the cause of all this, but they are not. Bask in it, while you still can. I suspect you are going to look like a giant fool in a few years time.

And you are.....who? That is entitled to my medical information?

Instead of debating in good faith, you imply that since I have (in my mind, legitimate) reservations about this particular vax, I'm also a neanderthal who believes all vaccines cause autism, which is not even the subject under discussion. You know exactly what you're doing and saying. You are not engaging in honest debate or discussion.

Bingo. You are the human trials.

I dont' believe you are debating in good faith, No.

I've made my mind up when I'll take it. I'm not there yet. It's too new, the animal trials all failed, we do not know the long-term effects of it and the short-term effects are not looking acceptable to me. It disturbs me that something like this- a vax only approved for emergency, experimental use is being forced on the entire public. Everything to do with the roll-out of it goes against science and any doctors, immunologists, viral biologists, etc who speak about the dangers are quickly shut down, discredited and/or fired from their jobs. The media and government is now dividing people into 2 groups, sowing dissension over an illness with a 99.5% survival rate. The vaccinated people are now talking sending unvaxed people to camps, denying healthcare, denying employment, utter hatred being spewed. When all this is happening, it tells me something is not right. it tells me that someone is not looking out for the public's best interest. Whether that is government, or Big Pharma or someone/something else, we don't know as of yet. But the whole thing is fishy to me.

Finally. Something we agree on.

Exactly. Because they keep failing the animal testing.

And has never been used like this before because it thus far, has failed the animal testing. Thus, it's approval for only emergency use. Thus the need to create the emergency.

If you mean highly contagious, like the common cold or flu, then No. If you mean highly deadly, then Yes, there would be a difference. You SEEM relatively intelligent, I'm surprised I have to explain this to you. Or maybe you're just feigning ignorance. i don't know. Covid is not highly deadly. 99.5% of people survive it unless they are elderly and/or have comorbidities. Much like the common cold or flu. Covid may be a bit deadlier than other flus we've seen, but you and others here talking about eliminating basic freedoms, shipping people off to camps to segregate them from society, denying healthcare and employment, walking around in terror of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate, talking about forcing others to take it against their will.....and then acting like it's other people who are fanatics...... laughable.

Well, I know. Maybe research them and then you'd know, too. What is your problem? Comprehension? Or just mental malaise? Trying to be a smartass? I've said many times I'm not anti-vaxx. I've vaccinated for travel many times. I'm vaccinated, my children are vaccinated. The safe vaccines, though. The tried and tested ones. Do you really think a person who has done all this vaccinating and researched the current covid vax would believe that vaccines cause autism? ?

This guy is a bobo, who does not no research and just speaks out his a$$.

Very fanatic. Much foaming at the mouth. I would sue you. And win.

And I told you why. Now you tell me why you believe it was not because of the vaccine. Why would you conclude there are no adverse effects? Is it because of what you read on the internet? And yes, based on what I read, myocarditis, heart attacks and strokes are one of the many adverse effects. So it seems logical to me that the many people who are having that effect immediately after the shots, are having it because of the shots. What part of this is illogical to you?

Quit conflating vaccines in general to this particular vaccine. This particular vaccine is not like the others. It's new, it's experimental and has only been approved for experimental use. If someone doesn't want to be part of the experiment, they have the right, by law, to choose not to.

Cut the smartassery. You know we are talking about this particular vaccine, not vaccines in general.

You don't know that. No one does, at this point.

We have had bodily autonomy in this country for a long time. And this has been accepted, up til now, as part of being in a democratic society where government outreach is curbed and kept in check. People have, and continue to do so, exercised that right medically. Some refuse chemo or radiation treatment for cancer because their personal choice is to have 4 good months instead of 6 bad left to live. Some refuse blood transfusions for religious reasons. Others choose MAID when they are terminal. As individuals, we may not agree with their choices, but they are THEIR choices, nonetheless.

Are YOU a doctor? On what do you base your conclusion that it's not because of the vax? Mine is based on logic and the already known adverse effects of the vax. When otherwise healthy people are dying with heart attacks and strokes within days of the vax - what would seem logical to you? What seems logical to me is, at the very least, it needs some investigation. Are you suggesting such deaths should not be investigated? Not be reported? Because that is what the majority of vax fanatics are saying. They do not want to know what the short or long term effects are. They do not want to hear about the adverse, life-altering effects. But guess what? Some of us do. You are sounding very fanatical with zero reasoning ability or logic when it comes to this particular vax.

Reminder: "Unvaccinated" is not the same as "Infected". Reminder: "Vaccinated" is not the same as "Uninfected". Treating people as if they are infected is discrimination. And just not nice, in general.

It seems logical. He was a healthy, athletic man who felt forced into getting the shots even though he had already had covid. And we already know one of the adverse effects of the jabs is myocarditis and heart issues. I doubt it's a coincidence. Teenage boys getting the shots are especially at risk of myocarditis. Many cases of it now.

Actually it was not unexpected. But it was covered up before the vaccine was rolled out. Pfizer's mice trials did not go well and fertility was greatly impacted. When the Canadian viral immunologist, Dr. Byram Bridle got access to Pfizer's trials, he sounded the warning and was immediately discredited and shut down after being asked to investigate the vaccine trials. ‘Pro-Vaccine’ Doctor Byram Bridle Issues Warning… – CITIZEN FREE PRESS

I was just reading about a man in his mid-30's who had covid early on, before the shots. He said he felt "bullied" into getting the vax anyways and 2 weeks after his last jab, he had a stroke. He was a marathon runner previously, but won't be able to now. No one wants to hear about those cases, though.

LOL I ask the same thing of you.