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Well I did start a different thread. The cases are difference, especially in this instance we have no video evidence. The similarities are police using force to subdue people, who what most on this site seem to agree, posed a small threat to the officer involved. But as cyber points out, it would appear cops have a lack of training in dealing with people with mental problems.

Was she still chasing the man when the cops got there? Of course it's rhetorical cause they make these stories public without any details.

Because capitalistic principals have nothing to do with public servants wages. They seem to think the employer has unlimited funds considering they have the power to raise taxes. And so do arbitrators. We see that public servants regularly get more money than people who do comparable jobs in the private sector.

I would put this in the Yatim thread but I fear it would be buried in posts about what a cop's intent is when he SHOOTS SOMEONE!!!! http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/03/siu_investigates_peel_police_tasering_80yearold_woman.html Yeah I know what damage a kitchen knife can do to someone and we don't know how long the officers actually tried to reason with the woman but I suspect, like with Yatim v Forcillo, these officers were just butt hurt that the lady wouldn't listen to them. Could it be a trend with police officers today that they more resemble a parody of an early episode of South Park where they can't stand it when people who don't "RESPECT THEIR AUTHORITAH" You'd think it'd be in the best interest of the SIU and the Peel Police Service to make more details known because cops tasing an 80-year-old just doesn't sound good. The lady had dementia, was she really that huge a threat to filet these officers at any point. Where they in a rush to going back to ticketing people for speeding? Hilarious that this came a day after the province announced they would allow all officers to have taser. I suppose the lady is lucky she wasn't shot 9 times.

That makes no sense. What if he just randomly beat someone senseless in the street? All the defense would have to prove that he "believed" that person was a threat, no one would have to provide evidence he was actually a threat or not?

Giving a kid hormones to delay puberty until it's legal to do a sex change operation is bizarre behaviour to say the least.

NO! Ontario was planning to announce that in June. It's a completely coincidence that they announced it exactly a month after that Yatim shooting. LOL!!!! Individual departments will still have to foot the bill for these Taser. I'm pretty confident the union will still deem getting officers on the Sunshine list over paying for Tasers and Training.

From what I've heard they used Canada as a bargaining tool in their negotiations with Vodophone. They never seriously considered going to Canada. The fact that the Big 3 had the meltdown they did, quite frankly, is embarrassing. Makes Canada look like a very bad place for international investment. The Big 3 are trying to save face by saying they'll continue to pressure the government to change the "unfair" laws. :-/

It's not the employees fault the business model of their organization is outdated and unsustainable. BUT they shouldn't expect they should continue to have jobs just because it's not their fault.

It's unsustainable. Why should sending a piece of paper from PEI to Vancouver cost the same as sending a letter a 2-hour drive away? If you choose to live in Butt-Bleep Nowhere then you should expect to pay more for things like mailing a piece of paper.

All this discussion over the benefits of Unions and Pensions blah blah blah ignores the remaining question. Should Canada Post keep current staffing levels even though the revenue just simply isn't there and there isn't anyone who needs daily delivery anymore, just to retain good paying jobs and keep an underfunded pension sustainable? The reason public service jobs are usually good is because they don't have to justify their existence based on market conditions the same as private sector workers do.

I guess Verizon thought better of coming to a country where its future competitors band together and start an advertising campaign to misinform their potential future market of the "evils" of allowing an American company into the Canadian Telecom business. They'll just go buy Vodophone instead. Bleeping Canada!

Why are we talking about Police being able to pump people full of lead where a private citizen can't? The only real difference is that in Canada, carrying a concealed handgun is effectively banned so people aren't walking around with a gat in Canada, so it's far less likely. But I would assume if a dude with a knife threatened me a court would consider my right to defend myself just the same as they would a cop. The question is, did Yatim really pose an immediate threat? I don't think he did, but like everyone here we don't have access to all the evidence but I'm pretty confident he no longer posed any threat after the first 3 shots. I think this is just an example of some empowered meathead cop getting all butt hurt that a scrawny kid with his man meat out was calling him an effing pussy. But, as always, that's just my opinion.

Sure just like studies that say that absenteeism amongst civil servants is far higher than with private sector counterparts.

ANECDOTAL!!!!!!!! :-D I've heard similar things. These "stereotypes" wouldn't exist if people didn't experience the exact same stuff in a variety of civil servant and union environments.

Which is one of the more "appealing" characteristics of Christianity when people actually preach what the Bible says Jesus taught. It's a religion meant to appeal to the poor. But as it become popular amongst the "peasants" in Rome the rich and influential used it as an opportunity to control people again.

Everyone has heard these stories. It's the most common stereotypes of civil servants or any unionized worker. Any example one can give can simply be dismissed as an anecdote. But I guess when you have a work environment where Collective Bargaining is hard to try and improve your lot by working harder than the "collective" so why bother.

That's why police want to ability to just write tickets for pot possession. So instead of stopping people for speeding on a Sunday morning they'd just look for people they think are high to generate revenue. Public servants never want to become obsolete. Fires are down but does that mean we need less of them, they just spend their time beating Paramedics to the scene.

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FTR, You both appear angry. :-D

What about the money wasted paying people union wages to deliver flyers and coupons 5-days a week?

Perhaps because Turkey is in a part of the world where having a standing army is actually important. Canada certainly has the wealth to mobilize an effective military should it be actually necessary.

Hyperbole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures United States 682.0 4.4 39 682 2 Chinax 166.0 2.0 9.5 249 3 Russiax 90.7 4.4 5.2 116 4 United Kingdom 60.8 2.5 3.5 57.5 5 Japan 59.3 1.0 3.4 46.0 6 France 58.9 2.3 3.4 50.7 7 Saudi Arabiay 56.7 8.9 3.2 63.9 8 India 46.1 2.5 2.6 119 9 Germanyx 45.8 1.4 2.6 42.8 10 Italyx 34.0 1.7 1.9 31.0 11 Brazil 33.1 1.5 1.9 34.4 12 South Korea 31.7 2.7 1.8 44.2 13 Australia 26.2 1.7 1.5 16.3 14 Canadax 22.5 1.3 1.3 18.3 15 Turkeyxz 18.2 2.3 1.0 25.9

And give them indexed pensions? You can think that but it's not happening. As for the argument about good jobs. Only the government feels the need to maintain service levels of departments even though the work isn't there. "If we lay them off, it'll hurt the economy" So even though the LCBO is an inefficient monopoly, we have to keep it because it offers well-paying jobs? Even though no one mails stuff anymore we have to keep CP at it's same staff levels because those people are unemployable and will just go on welfare? Those civil servants are a net cost to the economy because the ever growing government needs to keep hitting up taxpayers for more money to fund generous jobs that are no longer needed.

The irony of public pensions is they invest in big corporations and demand profits. The Ontario Teachers Pension plan used to own the Toronto Maple Leafs. So it's slightly hypocritical to rail on greedy corporations while their profits go to funding pensions.