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OK, but I'm talking about people with single-family or town-home. People in Condos also likely don't drive on highways a lot, so likely need to charge much less. And if they do commute long distance, there the few people where the EV market is not convenient to them. You need a NEMA 40 plug and a $300 Stage 2 charger. https://www.amazon.ca/BESENERGY-NEMA14-50-220V-240V-Upgraded-Compatible/dp/B07WGF835H/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1HLGHGQ8J9OID&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.6gDH6gr-JgDaxlXiPdDqd2y6PwnFE-pDitn82XHRWoFbDNjAFpFU_xsCjvVhfvevGYX6JwN1ZJmrMvTfwyNxXi5CECmBOZI-EhHOgOgP1Co0Lu790_mezeY1vV2JWf0TW9X8R0Ba46y7shme3KsiQQeOCO1yq2p-VfR4qj54O-Km-FO7il4k95JRlmlTdlNLcQkyKQqz35OcbocqqZAH3ItJBouwDGiBdKRa2K_ip5_gHfSNCcuYHYgEBSI0NU7fuvyf7eXRBglnXV0TvjuW4rp3iDh8EA_I59yhZTOHHEQ.bkZCpsfQWdjqx_bfYwvwZDJav4LrlmAwNGEgi0bPJpw&dib_tag=se&keywords=Stage+2+chargers&qid=1716568510&sprefix=stage+2+chargers%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1 I feel bad for these people you know that regularly have to drive 200-300 kms a day. Are you suggesting that's the experience of most people? It's actually an asset with younger kids. They won't stay seated without having to pee or have a snack for more than 2 hours. I've consistently recognized the problems. But comparing a base model ICE to a modern EV is a little disingenous. Most people trumpet 1,000 km ranges for new ICE vehicles. 700 kms is not that far off where EVs are not. But again we're only taking about it being a weakness if you're doing all that range in one shot. And for many they don't have an EV. But I'm telling you from first-hand experience, it's not that hard if you have a charger in your garage. I disagree with you that 15 minutes to charge to 80% is less a serious problem than you think. That can be done on a lunch break. If you drive like most people then you may only need to charge 2 or 3 times a week. And that only assumes you don't have access to a charger at home. I actually think the biggest obstacle for car ownership right now is interest rates. Car loans are absurdly expensive. For an ICE or an EV. I'm lucky to have purchased in a lul in the market. I think you're going to be very disappointed if you expect EVs to replicate your beloved ICE experience 100%. Some concessions will need to be made, but some big advantages will also be experienced. I've never claimed the tech is there yet. I just pointed out that if charger infrastructure improved to the level they need it to be, the current crop of EVs do a pretty good job of replicating the ICE experience.

It's interesting you choose to highlight the AZ vaccine. The side effects were made very clear with this shot. . My first shot was the AZ vaccine as it was the only available for my age group. I had some anxiety about getting it it. As an aside, the hysteria around this was really unfortunate in hindsight. I see my Facebook posts from the time and the media did really create a sense of dread of this disease. April 2021 was a crazy time. But regardless, the AZ shot was quickly done away with. The mRNA shots became the shots everyone would get going forward. The ones that your friends still call experimental gene therapy. But evidence shows they were clearly the safer shot.

There's a faction of people who feel that being infected by a virus is some violation of their rights. So they continue to wear masks and continue to get vaccines. COVID brought out some sense of unity amongst this cohort. It's totally misguided. But it's certainly not all that common. Just like it's not all the common to be severely disabled from the shot. Right now there are polar opposites of this debate that sound kind of the same. 1) COVID is still an existential threat. Mask-up! Social Distance! Every COVID infection does permanent damage. 2) Those who are still fighting the battles of 2021 and 2022. If these vaccines were rushed before, they aren't now. Where are all the reports of chronic conditions from the vast majority of the population that got at least 2-4 of these things.

Who's giving COVID vaccines to young people anymore? Giving vaccines to children is one thing I'll agree with you on. The risk did not meet the reward. COVID rarely makes the young very sick. Now the Measles, OTOH! I got my COVID booster up until 2022, my kids never got a COVID shot. But they get all the vaccines our Pediatrician recommends.

This is common in Canadian politics. In Ontario the Ontario Liberals led with impunity through scandals for 15 years. Finally Dofo came around and decimated them. You'd think Dofo wouldn't be a strong capable leader, but I don't mind him. The same thing could happen to PP. Though, as this election nears, the fearmongering will escalate. And if PP doesn't create a plausible vision of how he sees Canada, we may get another Liberal mandate. There are things that the Liberals have done that I personally, don't hate. So will he roll everything back? I want some promises. He doesn't need to yet though. His job for the next year or two is to discredit this coalition at every turn. He's doing a decent job at it, TBH.

At this points it's only practical for someone with a garage and personal State 2 charger to own an EV. But that's still a massive chunk of the market for private vehicles. Double the price of a base model compact. Not exactly comparing apples to apples. Lots of misinformation there. The charging is not too long if you have home charging, and for roadtrips, 15-20 minutes is hardly a catastrophic inconvenience, especially for the savings in cost. Also all modern EVs come with a very generous battery warranty. Most cherry picked headlines of extraordinary costs to replace a battery are for much older models. EVs also cost far less to run. I can't thing or a reason to get it serviced, other than for tires and brakes. 700 kms? That's really bad mileage for a modern car. The main reason I went with an EV, other than being able to use the HOV lane was the price of gas. I don't have to pay $1.50+ per litre for gas. And my car wasn't anywhere near $50-60k new. That's simply not true. If you have a garage with a Stage 2 charger, it's a much better option. If you have an apartment and no access to on-street parking, it's probably not the best choice. Which is why I highlighted that charging infrastructure needs to improve for adoption to take the next step. I'm a working parent, this is not ever a concern. I was able to drive my EV to work and back, pick up my wife, take my son to Lacrosse and pick up my daughter at daycare on the way. You're making stuff up. For someone who's completely inflexible about the alternative sure. In some ways it's way more convenient. I never have to think about what time I should fill up based on the price at the pump or when there may be a lineup because prices are going up the next day. And because adoption isn't 100% yet, and there are still moments where the EV isn't the best option, I do have a second Hybrid car available. Especially since my wife needs to do errands and dropping off kids when I have to commute into the city. But that car is driven maybe 5000 kms a year. The EV is the workhorse in our family.

Is it not surprising that homelessness is up at the same time housing is at a shortage and prices have completely outpaced wages? I think the Federal Liberals are trying to incentivize building more housing nationally but high interest rates don't help. People who don't have lots of liquid cash simply can't afford to buy a home.

So we have a relatively new car like the Hyundai Ioniq 5. https://ev-database.org/car/1663/Hyundai-IONIQ-5-Long-Range-AWD It can get 400-500 kms of range. Its battery is only 77 kwh, meaning at a Stage 3 charger it'll only take 15-20 minutes to go to 80%. Now it's upwards of $50-60k. That's a lot but not nearly as high as other EVs. So we're pretty close, considering we still have a decade to go before this feared date when New ICE cars will be banned. The problems that need to be solved are the infrastructure around charging. It's a chicken or egg thing. I'm noticing free chargers are often used when I go out now. When I needed to use a stage 3 charger recently I had to wait 15 minutes to get it and while waiting someone came and asked me when I'd be done. It was a single charger in a busy area that was in high demand, Flo should probably have another installed. So we're reaching the tipping point where charging infrastructure needs to ramp up to meet expected demand, not current demand. The reason I started this thread was because of the onRoutes in Ontario. These Truck stops along major highways that cater to people on road trips. They didn't have EV chargers a few years ago, now they do and they work pretty well. I used them last fall on the way to Montreal. Progress has been made, but we need to make the next step.

Except when it's not. Hydro? Nuclear? Renewables? And even if using Natural Gas, that's infinitely better than the Petroleum gas industry first drilling, then refining, then transporting gas to a station on your closest street corner. Which is a sizable chunk of the patterns people with private vehicles use. More than 2/3 of my driving is a long commute to work. So far all you got is the metal used to make the batteries. Manufacturers are starting to develop Sodium Ion batteries. But even so, mining for Lithium: Bad! Refining Bitumen: Good!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/measles-vaccination-rates-1.7207834 I concede the controversy of the COVID vaccine. Hysteria led to a rushed vaccine that authorities basically shamed people to get. I don't particularly believe scores of people have died from any given COVID vaccine, but I concede there were risks. The MMR vaccine, given to young children, is a completely different story. There's no credible evidence that it's anything but completely safe. Apparently PP wants to allow for vaccine freedom. I would strongly oppose this when related to childhood vaccine that have repeatedly demonstrated its effectiveness. I don't support children without proper childhood vaccines being allowed in public-funded areas. The more low-information parents that compare the COVID vaccine with the MMR vaccine the more children, like the one in the posted article will die.

A Hydrogen car is an EV. It can just charge using Hydrogen. Unless Hydrogen is made with renewable technology it's somewhat pointless.

I would suggest that's the plight of most long serving parties, people get sick of them.

I think a lot of the Minister's comments were fair. What Cold Weather range do they want posted? 0? -10? -40? And pricing per KWh is silly. You should pay more for the speed it takes to charge the car.

Just like with Russia, it's a MADD situation. A future war would revolve around control of Taiwan though. It's far more difficult to get into a military quagmire (like Ukraine) on a mountainous island.

Well Toyota and GM were there and they didn't have their EVs front and centre because they're the few manufacturers that aren't really doing much in that segment right now. GM didn't even have the Bolt. I did get to sit in the Hummer EV which is a comically large an impractical car. But still cool. Volvo, on the other hand, only had EVs, IIRC. Subaru which only has 1 EV model had 2 or 3 versions of it. Got to see a Cybertruck as well. 😀

And I suspect more remote communities will be the last to adopt electrification. Or just use Natural Gas. I've seen Nat Gas Buses in my community (Not Ottawa). I don't think we'll be off Natural Gas or Propane by 2035.

China is in a demographics crisis right now. They could lose half their population in the next few decades. I think China is also quite easy to dominate in Naval theatres.

Don't Seniors already benefits from Single-payer Pharmacare?

So your example of EV failure are buses purchased in 2016 that aren't performing up to standard. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/nova-bus-quebec-canada-electric-buses-1.6836326#:~:text=30-,The Canadian and Quebec governments have teamed up to buy,acquisition project in North America. You do realize it's 2024? Standards for EVs are much higher. I look at the car I bought in 2020. It serves my purpose but the range I achieve isn't acceptable for any manufacturer.

I was at the Canadian International Autoshow this past weekend. Just about every manufacturer had their EV front and centre. So it's not exactly true that the move to Electric is driven by virtue signalling governments. If people refuse to adopt EVs the deadline set by most governments is useless. There is genuine interest in this segment.

And PP will come in and fix it all. 🤣 BTW, if he proposes taking away the Daycare subsidy, I'll go back to voting for the Liberals. We pay enough taxes, might as well get the benefits from it.

Note this thread is about expanding access to voting. So you're just being an old man shaking at a Cloud. I'm curious, what country should we look to, to find such financial restraint as an example? The US dwarfs Canada in debt:GDP Ratio.

So what programs should we cut? At a Federal Level.

Nice False Choice you present.

It's the racist dog whistle that Liberals bring in voters. As if immigrants are automatically Liberal. Where-as Conservatives want voter apathy and a low turn-out. Because they know they're in the minority.