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I framed this around Trump. He minimized the virus' severity dozens of time. Lied about having it under control and told states to re-open before they were ready.

That has nothing to do with what I posted. But OK.

This is the new tactic and it's hilarious. Compare COVID numbers in the Spring to COVID numbers now. Hey our number are better than Italy! So we're doing great! Except Italy's death rate happened when people didn't know WTF to do. And they shut down for months to beat the disease. A vast majority of Canadian deaths happened early in the Outbreak. Deaths now are a few dozen a day, if that. Most of the world has figured this disease out. Except in the Southern US. Freedom to Party and not wear masks is more important.

The population density argument is completely thrown out the window when considering Florida. Top 10 cities in Ontario: http://www.top10cities.net/country/canada-ontario-admin.php Top 10 cities in Florida: https://www.moving.com/tips/the-10-largest-cities-in-florida/ Five Ontario cities are larger than Miami proper.

I noted that a majority of deaths in Canada came early in the outbreak. Older people, less viable treatments. And as you like to point out, over and over again. 80% were people in LTC homes.

Yeah, but then you were talking about New York City. The initial North American epicentre. Now we can compare states to provinces. Arizona has four times more cases than Ontario. And a comparable number of deaths. It has half the population of Ontario Texas has 10 times more cases than Ontario with more deaths. (Note: that a vast majority of Ontario's deaths came when treatments weren't nearly as good and to a vast majority of people in LTC homes). Texas is twice the population of Ontario. Florida has about 6 million more than Ontario. Also 10 times more cases and more deaths than Ontario. Same consideration to deaths as with Texas. Also note that there is no city in those states that have the population density of Toronto. Not Houston, not Dallas, not Miami, not Phoenix. They have cities with larger CMAs, but you've framed your argument all on population density. Also note that Ontario never had more than 2,000 people hospitalized and never had a daily case count above 1,000. Today it had 135 new cases. To talk about Canada's population density, when a sizeable percentage is uninhabitable tundra, is completely disingenuous. Close to half of Canada's population live close to the US border from Windsor to Quebec City. And those areas were hit by COVID-19. Just not nearly as bad as the US. Because of good public health policy.

I never said they are worse. But they aren't much better. Unlike every other Developed nation that has this disease under control and is re-opening anyway. The actual Fatality rate is impossible to calculate because we don't know exactly how many people are. Deaths per million is a good way to establish that the US doesn't actually have that bad a death rate. But that can't be the only metric to evaluate the severity of the outbreak. What we're seen (California is the outlier) is that states that didn't suffer too badly from the initial outbreak opened very fast. And now they're suffering from a worse resurgence of the virus. What's a better outcome for the economy. Rushing to be the first to re-open only to have to pause or roll-back re-opening because of a second wave? Or what's been seen in Europe and Canada where the rate of the disease was taken down to very low levels and the economy has slowly re-opened. Most of Ontario will be at Phase 3 of Opening at the end of the week (Meaning Gyms and indoor dining). That was achieved without the crush of hospitalization that states like Arizona, Florida and Texas saw. And those states may have to shut down to stave off an infection that's growing out of control. They've certainly had to be more authoritarian about mask wearing than other places that adopted mask wearing without much protest.

Is that your new talking point? If you take Canada's land mass and our population then yeah, I suppose we're not terribly populated. But Southern Ontario and Southern Quebec is actually quite populated and that's where COVID has actually taken a foothold. But no where near what's been seen in comparable parts of the US. What about people 60+? What about young people that aren't completely healthy? Bleep Em? Please cite 001% of healthy people not dying from this. And even if they don't die, plenty are spending significant time in the hospital.

What about corporations that are also mandating masks? Are they part of this Left-Wing conspiracy? Masks aren't just about protecting the person wearing them. It's about protecting others incase that person is asymptomatic.

I think, eventually, the cases will start to drop. Only because local politicians realize that masks and social distancing are the only real way to stop the spread in densely populated areas. I would hope that Americans realize that the man on the top played Defence against that strategy from the get-go.

And, in the US, testing backlogs are so bad that you may just assume you have COVID-19 and not get tested because you won't or can't wait in line 8 hours just to get a swab jammed up your nose.

OK. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

People are using both. I think masks do contain water droplets from the mouth very effectively. Not perfect but it's a good mitigation technique.

This narrative is totally disingenuous. The death rates being compared to those from the spring. So early places that saw huge spikes in infections and death included Italy, France, Spain, the UK and the New York/New Jersey area. Doctors didn't know how to treat it, there was no social distancing for an extended period and older people were getting the disease and dying from it. In fear of what was seen happening in those countries, most of North America shut down for 6-8 weeks. In that time infections largely dropped in the "hot zones". To the point now that they can re-open. Places like Canada never saw the infection rate seen in Europe or New York because of the public health policy. What we're seeing now is completely different. It's young people who don't give two shits about public safety causes this infection spikes. Because they're younger and treatments are available, the deaths aren't nearly as bad. But they're getting bad because Hospitals are filling up fast. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/19/we-need-to-close-down-florida-reports-more-than-10000-coronavirus-cases-for-fifth-day.html Businesses opened up too quickly and now are likely going to have to shut down again.

I didn't say a shutdown was coming. Which is the problem, they need a shutdown. I said the re-opening has been put on hold. He admits they tried to open the state up to quickly. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/26/greg-abbott-texas-bars-regret/ Note, he's not blaming BLM protests. New York, Italy, Spain, Belgium etc. were the hardest hit by the virus. And doctors didn't know how to treat it. But they shutdown and slowly flattened the curve and now the virus is under control. In the Southern US, the opposite is happening. Younger people are getting it and doctors have viable treatments so the death rate is lower. But it still doesn't stop the fact that disease is endemic in the society and is spreading uncontrollably. The Death rate is effected by the ability of hospitals to treat the sick. Which is why the shutdowns happened in the first place. As Hospitals reach capacity the death rate will increase. And has increased. Fox News also reported that multiple Texas Counties are bringing in refrigerated trucks because of there's no place to put the bodies. We'll see if mask mandates work, but other than telling people to stay home again, I'm not sure how the infection gets under control.

Do you have evidence that fraud by Voting by mail is rampant? https://theconversation.com/research-on-voting-by-mail-says-its-safe-from-fraud-and-disease-141847 A Repub tried to commit Voter Fraud in 2018. . . And was caught!!!

AFIK Cancer isn't a communicable disease. You do know that when Hospitals reach capacity, your chances of dying from other ailments/trauma increase exponentially as well. And what about young people with co-morbidities? Do they deserve to die as well?

You're responding, so you clearly care. It seems you'd rather people don't vote then vote by mail. DEMOCRACY!!!!

Back to this? The "rioting" happened over a month ago. Holiday's like Memorial Day and July 4th would be more likely to be the culprit. Also, why haven't other places that saw BLM protests seen huge spikes? And why is Arizona perhaps the worst infected place per capita? I didn't hear about any huge protests in Tucson. Herd Immunity is a pipe dream.

1) The Republican governor of the state thought it was needed. Re-opening has been put on hold. 2) What other explanation is there for record COVID-19 deaths and ICU's reaching capacity?

You're just making stuff up. Why shouldn't registered voters be able to vote by mail?

But you have no evidence to suggest that. What isn't being guessed on is the level of Hospitalization in Texas. https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/14/texas-confirms-record-number-coronavirus-cases-hospitalizations/

Even Fox News is reporting it. https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-arizona-refrigerated-trucks-morgues-coronavirus-deaths

Well it's not how it works, even if you want to show up in person to vote. If the mail system is used to mail out voter registration, not sure why it can't be used to submit a ballot.

Did I say that? You should be able to ask for a Mail-In ballot, if you're already a registered voter because you don't think you'll feel comfortable going to a voting booth in November.