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I didn't say, "Hey Grit, can you virtue signal?", I asked you if you think that the CHAZis had an alarmingly high murder rate, so your blather doesn't qualify as an answer. Do you feel like BLM should look at that incident and say "Damn, it can sometimes be hard to avoid killing people when you take on the job of protecting people"? The irony is visible from Pluto - the group that says "Police kill too many people and they need to be held accountable" kill too many black kids and then hide the evidence of what happened. You need some reason and humanity, Grit, and not just when it suits the people who you feel are of use. (More irony, whoa) FWIW "Occupy" was just exactly what it was - an example of just how shortsighted the BLMers are and how dystopian their society would actually be if they got the chance to have it. They think that America doesn't need a military but then they saw what it's like to try to hold territory and police it, and they saw the value of weapons. They act like the police look 'militarized' but they brandished weapons every chance they got. "There is none s blind as he who will not see." - Boom. When you see an organization that's as racist, corrupt and violent as BLM but then try to 'splain away the massive gap between the leader's avowed principles and their actions it makes you look somewhere between 1) disingenuous and 10) atrocious. This is a solid 9.5. OMG dude, now you're making excuses for people who are sowing racial division ffs. Are you evil, Grit? Why would I acknowledge something that is simply untrue? I already told you the main reason why black people get killed at a disproportionate rate - they are raised since birth to fear, hate and resist police. Even Michelle Obama tries to get them to do it. How can you instil those dangerous things in them and then expect them not to do the very things that get them killed? Kids teach other kids to fear police: "Hey, let's sell some joints, just watch out for the fuckin' pigs, bro." And you'd be correct in assuming that a lot of them get killed. So you weren't there, you read 1 wiki article, and you're making those assumptions... am I correct? It's a really, really, really, really big deal when you shoot at a cop who's performing his lawful and necsessary duties. They will fire back. You need to understand and appreciate that, but you clearly do not. Being brave means going to places like this frequently, it doesn't mean "letting people shoot at you". Brionna was not "a bystander", she was a person in a dar room where her boyfriend was shooting at cops. She's a person who was found to have a murdered person in the back of her rental car in recent years. No time for videos right now, maybe later. That's not a pattern. The pattern is: "BLM mischaracterizes a police shooting or puts out selectively edited video, gets people riled up, incites rioting & racial discrimination, the truth comes out, they move on to the next false event. Rinse and repeat. That's why you ignored all of the other cases which you don't even need to research, you already know about them. They were on the mainstream news for months, if not years. Brionna's was actually the least well-known of all those cases. OMFG dude, they killed everyone that they could find who seemed to exist with a certain belief set, literally millions of them, and terrorized the rest of the population into following their exact belief system on pain of death. If that's not fucking genocide then nothing is. Don't you find it a little bit evil around the edges to 'splain away an actual genocide, and to try to make it fruity and light? Of course it's fucking genocide. You act like the killing of a million people is less significant than the killing of one. "Kill one man and you're a murderer, kill a million and you're a hero..." Is that your philosophy, Grit? There's your willful ignorance again. There's EVERYTHING sinister about mischaracterizing events in the news in a way that maligns a police officer and causes people across the whole planet to hate/fear American police in general. It's an abomination. No one is a member of a nation where the police kill black people indiscriminately, so there's no traction to the name BLM. I can accuse you of being ok with genocide, on account of the fact that you downplay Mao's blatant genocide. Should I start saying GNTSSG? Grit needs to stop supporting genocide? Grit - stop supporting genocide dude. It's really wrong, ok? If the Dems want to come to terms with their KKK, their Jim Crowe laws, their history of fighting to uphold slavery and to disenfranchise blacks, good for them. They should also stop trying to get the next generation of black kids killed by the police. I'm not apologizing for things that I've never supported. My family came from coal miners and soldiers. We didn't own slaves, unlike Kamala Harris's family. The point that you're missing in all of this is that Obama shouldn't have been lionizing the guy who killed 5 cops, he should have been characterizing that person as worthless scum. If you follow Christ, then you're setting yourself up to be accused of supporting the things that Christ supported in his speeches and actions. If you follow BLM, join in their riots, and carry their platitudes over your head then you're a part of that "entity". When you're doing the things that THEY'RE TELLING YOU TO DO then of course BLM is regulating your behaviour. They were regulating your behaviour right at the very moment you typed that tripe in support of them. Did you think that your words meant "BLM musta said some good things in addition to all the evil that they spewed, and ONLY the good things that people do at BLM's bidding actually reflect back on BLM. BLM cannot be held responsible for any of the crimes that people commit at their behest"? There were only 200 people who went into the buildings. There was nothing wrong with what the rest of the crowds did. Therefor, when you talk about the riots at Capitol Hill that needed to be constrained by police, the number is 200. The police had to deal with less than 200 people for just a couple of hours, they resorted to shooting and killing unarmed people. In thousands of protests which included serious attacks on police officers and quite a few murders, police never fired on BLM except for one instance when they were shot at first. You need to come to grips with that instead of trying to support the killing of an unarmed person. Don't you think that the people who committing murders at the riots were guilty of far more than Ashley Babbit? Did you hear a whoosh sound? The whole point was that you didn't even know who Michel Fournier was but OUR Canadian news told you every little sordd detail of Dr Ford and her bullshit accusation. And FYI, Kavanaugh was never 'credibly accused' of 'rape'. She couldn't name the year, the location, she named 4 witnesses and none of them ever heard of her story, she never told her friends, family or the police, she claimed to have phobias but it was proven that she doesn't even have those, she claimed to be unaware that the GOP offered to fly a lie detector to her but even I knew days in advance from the opposite side of the continent in a different country. She was A LYING BIMBO. That's not misogyny. It's just a simple fact. Michel Fournier's story was very germane to one of the biggest scandals in Canadian political history. CBC knew. They hid it. Did you not know that Trudeau gave CBC $695B when he first got elected? Get up to speed, Grit. Your willful ignorance and convenient dearth of pertinent facts regarding every single story that you talk about is highly suspect. In this instance there's evil and there's not evil. Not evil doesn't necessarily mean 'saintly'. I'm guessing that's full of typos, its a lot to go over on the fly and I didn't have time to read it through.

Leftists predicted that riots with 20,000 people, or 200 people looting a store couldn't possibly spread covid but patriotic, athletic, academic or religious gatherings of any size, no matter how small, would somehow cause a tidal wave of death. Even rocks are smarter than leftists because it's impossible for them to have IQs in the negative numbers.

In a less corrupt society Project Veritas would get some kind of journalism award for exposing something like this, but in 2021 they get excommunicated from social media and half of the country is stupid enough to celebrate it. I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that I HATE leftists. I've got a cousin that posts leftist drivel on FB and I won't even talk to her anymore. I have zero patience for really stupid people.

@GrittyLeftist https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/fournier-charged-snc-lavalin-1.4260367 Here's how Global News described the whole affair: https://globalnews.ca/news/4953015/snc-lavalin-explained/ The only time they ever mention Trudeau specifically is when a defence is mounted, never when an allegation is made. Otherwise it's "the PMO". They mention that the DPA law was created, but they don't mention that it was just tucked in on page 540 of an omnibus bill. They also don't mention that SNC has a court-documented history of bribing Canadian politicians. If Trump was in this situation they wouldn't be saying "the PMO" instead of Trump every time they mentioned something bad, and they wouldn't be leaving critical details out of the story like "SNC bribes Canadian politicians". That would be right up in the title. All the networks only briefly covered the story, and none of them mentioned Michel Fournier and the bribes that he received. The only way to find out about those is from The Rebel, Spencer Fernando, etc. As a Canadian, if you don't get your news from the internet, you don't your news.

Your takeaway from the occupation of CHAZ was that it was 'a wasted opportunity'? My takeaway was that they occupied 7 sq blocks for three weeks and in that short span of time they killed a 16 yr old black kid and critically wounded another, then they cleared that scene of evidence. If regular police were killing black kids that fast it actually would be a huge genocide. There are about 30,000x as many cops as there were CHAZis (there are about 1M cops in the US, I'm guessing 30 CHOP gestapo?), that would work out to 30,000 kids every 3 weeks, or 10,000 per week. That would make for 520,000 dead kids per year in crime scenes where the evidence was hidden. That's a lot, right? So you don't even know about this? https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/ The 4-house-commie BLM leader? Another BLM tactic is to throw around stats in the most misleading manner possible. Just the other day some dude was on tv saying that "every day police kill 3 people". He didn't say that over half of the people killed by police every day were white. He then went on to say that blacks were killed at a disproportionately higher rate, leading people to assume that most of the people killed were black. That's some sick bullshit, right? FYI white people never teach their kids to act out against police officers. Black kids get that message every day. That's a pretty good indicator that one group is at a higher risk. Police officers aren't getting away with killing anyone. The bar for a cop to use lethal force is pretty high. Brionna Taylor: Cops had a legal warrant. They knocked and announced their presence, did it again again, then when they had to kick in the door one of them got shot. That's the exact scenario where the cops shoot at center of body mass. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Rayshard Brooks: Police were arresting him for the best reason on earth - he passed out behind the wheel of a car and blew way over. The police were excessively polite, and so was Rayshard, at first. Then he punched a cop, stole his taser, and shot it at his face. In Georgia law a taser is treated like a gun. (In fact, just two weeks earlier a cop in Atlanta was charged with aggravated assault for merely pointing a taser at someone. Willie Sauls, the girl's last name was Pioneer iirc) The taser that Rayshard has has two charges - he was, legally, in 'a gunfight'. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Michael Brown - "the gentle giant". Violent robbery, cops called, he tries to wrestle control of a cop's gun from him, gets shot. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. G Floyd: Resists arrest, claims to be unable to breathe while all alone in a cop car (it's in the bodycam video), get knelt on and says he can't brethe, cop doesn't believe him, kneels him to death. The cop had reason to do a lot of things, but he crossed a line and Floyd died. The cop was found guilty of murder. Yes, that's what I mean. "Kill at least one person from every village", etc. 4M is a lot of G Floyds. It's a genocide. The final death toll was closer to 50+M, but a lot of those people were starved to death. Regardless of how power is seized, one person always ends up at the top, and usually it's someone with a penchant for violence and a need to consolidate power. That's a big part of it. CNN made a disgusting amount of money from the 24/7 M Brown coverage, ditto for Floyd, Brooks, etc. The argument against the name 'black lives matter' is that it's predicated on the assumption that as a society we feel like black lives don't matter. That's nothing more than an attempt at fear mongering and division. If I opened a discussion with you, using the phrase "Torturing babies isn't funny, Grit" that wouldn't be an honest attempt at rational conversation. Neither is the name BLM. People who came to the conclusion that police are allowed to kill black people without cause, just from watching CNN's hateful screed, need to wise up. Shooting cops gets you killed. Trying to kill a cop with his own gun gets you killed. Shooting a taser (which is quite lethal when used improperly) at a cop's face from close range can get you killed. People who say Blue Lives Matter do it because people like Barack Obama won't. When Obama stood in front of 5 dead cops at a eulogy in Dallas, instead of saying: "Whoever did this was a worthless piece of shit!", he made their murders about "centuries or racism, slavery and Jim Crowe laws (nasty Dem things)". You can only speak for yourself in that regard, I personally don't feel that way. Police misuse of force against people of any race is an extremely serious crime. 1) They should avoid derailing the issue by lying about cases where misuse of force wasn't actually present 2) They should advocate for, NOT AGAINST (like BLM does), bodycams - it's really hard for the police to get away with murder when it's on video. BLM doesn't like bodycams because it's really hard for them to selectively edit video to make pollce look bad when the police have their own video. It's like you just walked right into a minefield GL. Here's the difference: - in 1 riot that lasted less than 2 hours, involving less than 200 people, the police killed a white woman who was visibly unarmed without so much as shouting a warning. - in thousands of riots where over 2,000 police officers were injured, several people were murdered, and the police had frozen cans of pop thrown at them, molotov cocktails thrown at them, fireworks shot at them, and which included the armed takeover of a police building, the police never fired a single shot at any BLM protestors, aside from 1 firefight where a cop was killed. Nah, you don't get off that easy bud. Of course you know who Dr Ford is because our media made a very big deal about her. She was the woman who accused Brett Kavanaugh of "almost raping her, in about 1985 or 86, in one of the summer months, at a location that she doesn't quite remember, and she also never mentioned it to any friends or family over the past 35 or so years". Yeah, that's enough to make a woman internationally famous, right? That's the kind of thing that our media should glom onto? On the other hand, we have a PM who created a law specifically for a known criminal entity, so that they could get federal contracts, and then he tried to coerce the AG to use it when she was certain that their crimes were too severe to warrant that protection, and our media covered up the fact that around the time Trudeau was working so hard for SNC, a Mtl politician named Michel Fournier was pleading guilty to accepting $2.3M in bribes from SNC Lavalin for help securing a $127M contract to fix the Jacques Cartier Bridge. CBC knew about the story, because if you google it, they're the ones who wrote about it, a year or two before Trudeau's scandal became known to the public. Why does the CBC tell us so much about a lying bimbo from the States and nothing about the fact that the company that Trudeau works for is known to give big bribes to Canadian politicians? Try to tell me that's not a big deal Grit. I didn't even get into the We scandal, which just went away when Trudeau said "I should have recused myself from the obvious decision to choose We". And why did such a huge scandal just magically go away when he said that? It's especially confusing because we all know that's not what happened. The Dems were evil back when the KKK was their militia, and they're still evil now when they use BLM and Antifa as their militias. I probably watch too much news, which is surprising considering that I never watch CTV, CBC or Global at all. Cheers Grit.

For sure, but I can guarantee you that 95% of them are misinformed. I completely understand that Marxism arose from a desire to create a more idyllic society, and I agree that it's a really nice idea, but like I said earlier, making all of the money in a society flow through the government's sticky fingers is guaranteed to end in disaster. It's more "Move, Bitch, Get Out The Way" than "Kumbaya".

I can't even talk about Canada right now. My gag reflex is too strong and I'm having lunch.

People who lived the experience that Steinbeck wrote about had this to say: Can you imagine what CNN's favourite author would write about Trump, Republicans, Brett Kavanaugh or the Georgia election laws right now? I wouldn't take that book as an historical account of anything. The fact that it got some traction among those with Marxist leanings is duly noted.

Even your link says "A forgotten history". The thread is about addressing current issues.

Cite? Do you have a date when this happened?

Thank you kindly, I will look at that. No argument there. Their platform is on the web, so it changes with the tide. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/ Every video that's pimped by BLM always starts after there's a problem. "Oh look at what the cops are doing to this winner!" When the whole story finally comes out it's nothing like they said. They use stories like Brionna Taylor, Rayshard Brooks, Michael Brown, George Floyd etc which are all textbook examples of what not to do when the cops come. They also lie and say that race was a determining factor in those cases. Fact is that the police kill almost 2 times as many white people, they kill almost 2x as many unarmed white people. Sure, blacks are overrepresented in those stats, but white people do not teach their kids to hate/fear/fight police. The BLM narrative grooms the next generation of black 'victims'. China, Cuba. That's two. The leaders are marixsts, so the followers are....? That's not a bad way to go, just beware the huge lies coming from CNN and CTV. Don't you find that odd? The whole world knows about G Floyd, and they both died the exact same way. BLM isn't 'working on the issue of bringing police to justice' at all, they're fear-mongering racists. It's verboten to say 'all lives matter', 'blue lives matter' or to talk about white victims of police brutality. I'm asking you for evidence of racism "in the killings of those black people by police". There is none. There are lies about what happened, why it happened, etc, all from the people who say that race was the determining factor. Your interpretation is insane. What I said means: "What happened to those black people is in no way proof of racism, because police have done the exact same things to white people". I didn't say that killing white people gave them a license to kill blacks. If you don't already know this then you don't know as much about BLM as you think. Because Trudeau forced the AG to use the DPA for SNC, a company that's got a court-documented history of bribing Canadian politicians, then he blocked the investigation, and the media doesn't mention SNC's history of bribes or the blocked investigation. Can you name someone that SNC bribed? I bet that you know who Dr Ford is, and lots of other Americans who are insignificant to us in Canada. Their bias is in favour of the Dems, so it's 'evil'. My bad, sorry if I was a bit testy. I consider BLM to be a huge problem, not a solution - at all. I cut (cmmd x on Mac, or ctrl x on PC) everything below the part that I'm responding to, and then click on the quotation mark on the format bar, and paste the block of text into the box that appears. Cheers GL!

I've heard anecdotes to that extent but the stats don't support it. The normal seasonal flu kills more young people than covid.

Do you have some examples of this?

No one thinks that 'rightist policy opposes billionaires'. Rightist policy just means that the possibility of becoming a billionaire exists without winning an election (or without being friends with someone who won an election).

Lol. I guess you could say 'learned', much in the same way that you could learn 3 + 3 = 2. Sure, but we all know how well those theories play out in real life, for reasons that we don't need to get into here. BLM is not at all what you just described there. For starters, their platform included ridiculous things like getting rid of the nuclear family, which has absolutely nothing to do with policing. Secondly, and most importantly, BLM is not really in the business of "opposing extralegal murders", they are in the business of fear mongering the police and creating racial division within the country on behalf of their marxist leader and domestic terrorist supporters/communists like Susan Rosenberg. They're into editing videos to make the police look bad, and they figure that once they get people riled up and convince them to do stupid things (rioting, looting, arson and racial assaults), they'll ignore evidence which eventually surfaces, making them look completely stupid. That's one of the main reasons why they oppose the use of bodycams. Bodycams destroy BLM's false narratives, just like the one that came out about G Floyd's arrest which took all the wind out of the rioters' sails. History has shown us that using genocide is the most effective way of doing that. Interesting that BLM are by definition a bunch of fear mongering 'marxists'. This is straight up propaganda, and no one with your command of the language believes a word that you just said. What's lacking in everything that BLM has made a big fuss about over the last 6 years is evidence of racism. For example: if the murder of G. Floyd was racism, then so was the murder of Tony Timpa, but Tony Timpa was white. Only racists and morons believe that Floyd's murder was any different from Timpa's murder. Those two are brothers, you have nothing in common with either of them or you'd be writing this posthumously, which is exceedingly rare. The leaders define the movement. Supporting BLM's cause is supporting the cause of communism, their followers just don't understand it. They're 'useful idiots', as it were. The liberals are 'liberal' in name only. They carry the pom-poms, but the reality of the matter is that they are a bit more sinister. IE, when the PM takes control of the judiciary and the media, that's not 'liberal'. Trudeau won't go that far because he comes from money himself: his people eat caviar, not KD. He just wants to be the Maduro type, in a country where almost all of the money flows through sticky government fingers and croneyism is law. TBH your use of the words 'left' and 'right' is just smoke and mirrors. In reality there's an x-axis with democracy at one end and authoritarianism at the other, but the word liberal and conservative don't fit where naive dreamers think they do along that axis. The whole concept of 'giving almost everything that you earn to the government and then you have a true democracy' is outrageous because governments that have that level of power end up being anything but democratic. Our 'rah-rah' government in Canada is selling virtue-signalling, but Trudeau is a total crook just like Maduro, Stalin, Mao and every other commie that ever blabbed about this or that nirvana while lusting for complete power. CNN is basically what you just described (I'd use words like twisted, repugnant and sick), for reasons that have already been reiterated ad nauseam on this forum. 1) The fact that it's true makes it a great conversation starter 2) A perfect example of pre-empting acceptable political debate is CNN's position that "everyone who voted for Trump is a racist and a domestic terrorist". You must understand that there's no way to have an acceptable political debate with the Devil, am I right? 3) It's kind of ironic that you talked about 'acceptable political debate' while at the same time touting BLM as a unifier and a protector of human rights. I'll grant that you were polite enough about it, and you used the Queen's English, but that level of deceit has no place in an 'acceptable debate' either. It's like trying to have an "acceptable political debate" about the grace and humanity of Nazis. It's just a non-starter.

Come on Aristedes. You post links to CNN and their flunkies who use anonymous sources for bold headlines and then just make nearly invisible retractions weeks or months later, if ever. Do you really consider a precious CNN link to be more useful than a comment from a person with thousands of posts here? Also, this wasn't hard to find Aristedes: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html . I just googled "covid vaccination deaths" and it was the top hit. I get that people need to post links with incredible claims that are hard to verify, but that was completely not the case here. So, in a nutshell, instead of getting off your ass and doing the most basic google search imaginable, you chose to insult someone. Back on topic: is 3,848 "a lot"? That answer is undoubtedly either yes, no, or maybe - just like almost every other C19 stat we get. Does that stat mean 'within a half hour of getting the vaccine people keeled over from something crazy'? They died within a week? And from with what symptoms, exactly? How many of them already had co-morbidities, and were over 95 yrs of age? How many already had covid (normally people don't get a flu vaccine when they're already sick, but no one knows if they already have covid)? Were any of them young, healthy people who stood no chance of dying from covid? The only thing I was able to glean from that is that none of those deaths were from allergic reactions. None of the subsequent links shed much light on anything else, unless maybe you go really deep, but if they were going to leave it 'buried' there's not much sense wasting a bunch of time looking for it. It's probably not there for a reason if they're not mentioning it. Side note - here's a little bit of insight into how many vaccine deaths you can expect to see reported as "deaths attributed to vaccinations": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/coronacheck-vaccine-misinformation-debunked/13258256 Covid 'science': if someone has a week to live because they have heart disease, kidney failure and a tumour the size of a watermelon, and they sneeze right before they die, "IT WAS COVID!!!", but if someone dies after taking the vaccine "it was likely coincidental. Shhhhhh.". (To be fair regarding the whole covid BS topic, my guess is that Texas could be reporting far more covid deaths if they wanted to, they just don't want to.) Covid 'stats' are bullshit at best, but the one thing that they've never been able to hide, even with stats, is that healthy people are at no risk from covid. Anyone who doesn't want to take the jab shouldn't have to, and all the leftists who say "preggers can kill healthy fetuses because of the "my body, my choice' rule" need to stfu because their opinion is already carved in stone on this topic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/cuomo-aides-nursing-home-deaths.html Cuomo's cover-up went on for months. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/19/nyregion/andrew-cuomo-book-investigation.html Not only did he kill thousands of people with his executive order to force the C19 virus into care homes, he used state resources to write his book about being awesome lol. The Demonrats are evil scum.

Lol, what a wimp. He's the President of the US ffs. Who's he going to be in trouble from? Is his mom still alive? Is his wife going to scold him? Can you imagine Putin or Xi saying "Uh-oh, I'm in twubbo."

You can tell yourself "All the previous lies from these guys don't matter, this latest round of predictions will suddenly be legit " if you want. It's not my style.

The fact that you're so opinionated, yet so in the dark, speaks for itself.

That video is a perfect example of what's wrong with our society.

We're already two generations into this bullshit, and the alarmists are ofer.

There are little kids that think that the world is on fire because of climate change.

The whole point is just for them to find something to rage about. "I'M AN SJWARRIORRRRR AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I MISINTERPRET THINGS AND I ONLY BELIEVE ANONYMOUS SOURCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yup, I stepped in a hole beside home plate while trying to beat a throw and rolled my ankle. The bottom of my foot eventually turned purple from blood in it. I definitely didn't cry like a little bitch and I didn't get carried either. I also think that it hurt less than getting shot in the face, and FYI, the guy that shot that cop in the face did it because he supported the exact same cause as LeBron.