Je suis Omar

ToadBrother: For all the high minded rhetoric, what the American colonies were asking for was responsible government. Omar: So sad they never got it.

For the foreseeable future, yes, there will always be war. Why? Because, despite all the lies/propaganda to the contrary, the USA is a greedy, rapacious, warring, terrorist nation. ------------ The Secret Wars of the CIA Excerpts from a talk by John Stockwell INTRODUCTION John Stockwell is a 13-year veteran of the CIA and a former U.S. Marine Corps major. He was hired by the CIA in 1964, spent six years working for the CIA in Africa, and was later transferred to Vietnam. In 1973 he received the CIA's Medal of Merit, the Agency's second-highest award. In 1975, Stockwell was promoted to the CIA's Chief of Station and National Security Council coordinator, managing covert activities during the first years of Angola's bloody civil war. After two years he resigned, determined to reveal the truth about the agency's role in the Third World. Since that time, he has worked tirelessly to expose the criminal activities of the CIA. He is the author of In Search of Enemies, an exposé of the CIA's covert action in Angola. Stockwell is a founding member of Peaceways and ARDIS (the Association for Responsible Dissent), an organization of former CIA and Government officials who are openly critical of the CIA's activities. His latest book is entitled The Praetorian Guard: The U.S. Role in the New World Order. ... In 1960, we (the USA) came up with a new term, a policy of trying to correct the problems of Central and Latin America -- the economic imbalances -- by addressing them directly. In President Kennedy's famous program he said: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." However, the millions and millions of dollars that we put into this program, inevitably went to the rich, and not to the ordinary people of the countries involved. While we were doing this, or trying -- saying we were trying to correct the problems of Central and Latin America -- the CIA was doing its thing too. The CIA was, in fact, forming the police units that are, today, the death squads in El Salvador. The leaders were on the CIA's payroll, trained by the CIA in the United States. We had the public safety program going throughout Central and Latin America for twenty-six years, in which we taught them to break up subversion by interrogating people: interrogation, including torture, the way the CIA taught it. Dan Mitrione, the exponent of these things, spent seven years in Brazil and three in Uruguay, teaching interrogation; teaching torture. He was supposed to be the master of the business: how to apply the right amount of pain, at just the right times, in order to get the response you want from the individual. They gave them crank generators -- with "U.S.A.I.D." written on the side, so the people even knew where these things came from -- and developed a wire that was strong enough to carry the current and fine enough to fit between the teeth, so you could put one wire between the teeth, and the other in or around the genitals. You could crank, and submit the individual to the greatest amount of pain, supposedly, that the human body can register. Now, how do you teach torture? Someone can teach you about torture, but sooner or later you have to get involved. You have to lay on your hands and try it yourself. They would pick up guinea pigs off the streets: beggars, and take them in to use in these torture training classes. Of course, the horror of that is, these people wouldn't know why they were being tortured. They couldn't give up. They couldn't say: "I'm sorry! Stop the pain! I'll tell you the names of everybody involved!" All they could do was lie there and scream! When they would collapse, they would bring in doctors who would shoot them up with Vitamin B and rest them up for the next class. And when they would die, they would mutilate the bodies and throw them out on the streets to terrify the population, so that everybody would be afraid of the police and the Government. This is what the CIA was teaching them to do. One of the women who was in this program for two years -- tortured in Brazil for TWO YEARS -- testified internationally when she eventually got out. She said the most horrible thing about it, in fact, was that the people doing it were not raving psychopaths. She couldn't break mental contact with them the way you could if they were psychopaths. They were very ordinary people. She told about being tortured one day: She's on this table, naked in a room full of six men, and they're doing these incredibly painful, degrading things to her body. There's an interruption. The American is called to the telephone, and he's in the next room, and the others take a smoke break. She's lying on this table, and he's saying: "Oh, hi Honey. Yes, I can wrap it up here in another hour or so, and meet you and the kids at the Ambassador's on the way home." There's a lesson in all this. The lesson is: It isn't just the Gestapo maniacs, or KGB maniacs, who do inhuman things to other people. It's PEOPLE who do inhuman things to other people. And we are responsible for doing these things on a massive basis, to people of the world today. We do it in a way that gives us plausible denial to our own consciences. We create a CIA, a secret police, with a vast budget, and let them go and run these programs in our name. We pretend like we don't know what's going on, though the information is there for us to know. And we pretend like it's okay because we're fighting some vague communist threat. We're just as responsible for these ONE TO THREE MILLION PEOPLE we've slaughtered, and for all the people we've tortured and made miserable, as the Gestapo was for the people that they slaughtered and killed. Genocide is genocide !! http://www.serendipity.li/cia/stock1.html "It's PEOPLE who do inhuman things to other people." And who are these PEOPLE, who is it that has had the longest run at this oh so common policy of rape, murder, torture, pillaging but the USA. Heard any propaganda recently about what a fine, kind, generous nation the USA is?

Nita Lowey: His determination to endlessly defer decision on the Keystone XL Pipeline appears aimed at pressuring a U.S. ally, Canada, on its environmental policies. It is not his place to be pressuring a fellow democracy on its policies, ////////////////// The last sentence was the real kicker. What planet is this lady from? Pressuring, attacking and overthrowing democracies, not to mention the USA's own brutal dictators, is exactly what the USA does, has been doing since the mid 1850s. Why doesn't anyone ever address the obvious, the realities? The emperor has never had any clothes and yet the vast majority of people, including many who consider themselves good upstanding Christian folk, just stare at Uncle Sam's dong and comment on what a nice crease he has in his trousers.

Big Guy: Even the most fervent pro-Israeli politicians, if forced to choose between their president and another nation will back their president. ----------- Recently voted number one most naive comment of 2015.

If the USA took a tough approach to terrorism, Rue, it'd have to send most of its CIA, its senate and house, the prezes, ... to its gulag in Guantanamo. Wanton killing of innocent civilians is terrorism, not a war against terrorism. NOAM CHOMSKY It's not right to respond to terrorism by terrorizing other people. And furthermore, it's not going to help. Then you might say, "Yes, it's terrorizing people, but it's worth doing because it will end terrorism." But how much common sense does it take to know that you cannot end terrorism by indiscriminately dropping bombs? HOWARD ZINN

If you don't understand the meaning of "satire", you shudda just said so. Safire was a lot of things, an idiot was just one of those things.

Why would you say that, OGFT? BCSapper?

We noticed how it is that you go about gleaning, A. Repeating memes is actually a great method of gleaning. Glean away!!

Then the police are required to yell, "Bullets, bullets incoming" to give the fleeee some time to think it over and decide if they want to continue running away.

Yes, by his shoes. His education, not so much.

Typical nonsensical memes. What do so many people have against thinking? Western powers, most notably the USA, has been terrorizing myriad countries for well over half a century.

I'm aware of its existence, TB. I made a case for why it is so wrong.

These days, William O Douglas is doing alligator rolls in his grave.

The cop shot him because he can't run after him to read him his Miranda rights.

If it comes to pass that harper can't be compelled to testify, then this is so so wrong. He is a public servant, and the goings on were all of a political nature. Harper's bosses, some 35 and something million people should be able to know all. Who does he think he is, Kim kardashian?

Where is 'bad' exactly, somewheres in southern Alabama?

There's no need at all to show respect for ignorance this profound. Rf**kingCMP! Good Dog!!!

These are the people standing front and center screaming about how brutal (stick in the boogeyman of the day "terrorist") is.

Are you saying that terrorist Chris Kyle and all the other war criminals and terrorists from the Genocide of Native Americans to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, ... are nice people? Do you have the slightest grasp of "proportionality"? Do you realize how cowardly you have been in not facing up to these stark realities?

Especially when it can be used to extend the silly narrative about the boogeymen.

Rue: You responded to me misreading what I said and raised the issue that aboriginal people have been mistreated in Canada, in particular they were put in residential schools. The placing of aboriginals in residential schools was at the time a policy to try force Christian values and the social values of the day on them under the belief that their own values were inferior. -------------- Not mistreated, Rue, genocide, the Canadian government had a policy of genocide.

This thread has seen drift on a Pangaea cale.

Under the CONSTITUTION ACT, 1867, the original provinces of Confederation retained ownership of crown lands and resources within their boundaries. When BC and PEI joined Confederation in 1871 and 1873, they too retained ownership of natural resources. But when the Prairie provinces were created (Manitoba in 1870, Alberta and Saskatchewan in 1905) a new and controversial policy emerged. In these provinces, ownership of natural resources was retained by the federal government to provide funds for colonization and railway building. Not until 1930, after a sometimes bitter political struggle, were natural-resource rights transferred by the federal government to the Prairie provinces. By this time, most of the agricultural lands had been transferred into private ownership; but because the federal government had reserved mineral rights when disposing of land in the prairies and had granted restricted tenures, the provincial governments inherited a rich treasure house of resource rights under the 1930 transfer. It is as a consequence of these rights that Alberta grants oil and gas leases and receives oil and gas royalties; that Manitoba can develop vast hydroelectric power resources to sell in the US; and that Saskatchewan controls uranium and potash reserves of worldwide significance. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/m/article/resource-rights/

Funny, not a word in that article about Monsanto's Agent Orange and Vietnam, Korea.

The laugh is only indicative of how ignorant teachers are about language.