Je suis Omar

Voted the number one meme, ten years running, for brain dead, 'love it or leave it, garwshucks, apple pie loving Americans.

There's no doubt whatsoever that canada has committed war crimes, ones that would, in a sane world, see a number of Canadian PMs and their underlings hung. How can that not spark warm patriotic feelings within, Derek?

Hilarious, simply hilarious!!

No, overthere, not because it's Thursday, but that is a pretty funny, not to mention, highly original joke. It's because he actively supported the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, which is, one must remember, the ultimate war crime. That is the crime that got some war criminals from WWII hung.

OGFT: Oh look a squirrel! Look, there's another one and another one. Look Boges, look. Boges: Yup, I see 'em. There's some more over there.

Here's yet another source that illustrates just what an evil the USA is and has been throughout its long sordid history. The only difference between the USA and the Nazis or Stalin is that the latter two had a much shorter run. The USA has been evil since before it was a "nation". Quotes can't really describe how guardedly one should consider the appellation 'nation' as a reference to the USA. Study: U.S. regime has killed 20-30 million people since World War Two James A. Lucas CounterCurrents.org Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:35 UTC http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

What about Rudy Giuliani, Kimmy?

That illustrates that you are true comrades of those who support the worst of what Stalin and Hitler have done. You are saying that you are the equivalent of those who participated in Nazi concentration and death camps.

Derek: 1) Your cited source speaks to a conventional building fire.... 2) from your quoted passage, there is no mention of the tons of aluminium introduced (from the aircraft), --------------- Re1): Really, Derek, did you even click on the link. There they discussed the WTC towers, which can hardly be considered "conventional building fires". Re 2): How did the scientist miss the section MARKED "THE AIRLINE IMPACT" and the subsequent discussion? This is what you government false narrative folks like to do to create the false impression that you are willing to consider the science. You won't even read things that you feel might be cognitively dissonant to your blind views.

Derek: And where would the nano-thermites have come from? Again, what is the chemical composition of thermite? Could you produce thermite from oxidized metal and pulverized aluminum, ignited by heat? Simple question......could: ---------------- Since you are the scientist, I'll defer to your expertise. You don't need bright colors and big pictures. Words will suffice.

The same incredible focus exhibited by Kimmy, Argus, George, ... . Is Kimmy sick today? Are you the new meme generator designate?

Science requires that one be specific, that one doesn't engage in deception and obfuscation. You have yet to satisfy these important aspects, OGFT. You engage in diversion and obfuscation so damn close to 100% of the time that the odd time you don't isn't worth mentioning.

Je suis Omar had written: Let's look at the video again to see if there were any "super hot fires". The theories that you have advanced don't do anything to explain the molten steel found in WTC7. The molten steel that FEMA found and described, the molten iron found by the RJ Lee group, the USGS, Mark Basile, Steven Jones et al, ... . Derek had replied: Aluminum will burn at over 3800 degrees Celsius, which is why it's used in rocket fuel, steel melts at just over 1300 degrees Celsius......... simple enough? -------------------------- The exchange that we had, copied above, leads me to suspect that you could well be misrepresenting your position and your qualifications. Talk about a lack of focus, Derek. You completely ignored all the questions I posed to you because you knew you couldn't answer them. I repeat: The theories that you have advanced don't do anything to explain the molten steel found in WTC7. The molten steel that FEMA found and described, the molten iron found by the RJ Lee group, the USGS, Mark Basile, Steven Jones et al, ... . Also the residue of nanothermites found in WTC dust and the carbon nanotubes found in first responders lungs. None of these things should have been present at the WTC complex.

Derek: Your cited source speaks to a conventional building fire........from your quoted passage, there is no mention of the tons of aluminium introduced (from the aircraft), Omar: Perhaps if you had read the original source ... . "Some reports suggest that the aluminum from the aircraft ignited, creating very high temperatures. While it is possible to ignite aluminum under special conditions, such conditions are not commonly attained in a hydrocarbon-based diffuse flame. In addition, the flame would be white hot, like a giant sparkler. There was no evidence of such aluminum ignition, which would have been visible even through the dense soot." http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

What my quote shows is that according to Thomas Eager, super hot fires, not a very accurate description for a scientist to be using, didn't exist. NIST agreed. Now if all of a sudden, out of the blue, you come up with a new theory, don't you think it is incumbent upon you, as a scientist, to do some experiments to prove what you are saying is true. Note, I'm not stating you are wrong, unlike every other person who has come on this thread, with the exception of GostHacked, yelling and screaming I am wrong when it's not even my science I'm advancing. I must say that your lack of equanimity doesn't do anything to help you advance your position that you are a scientist. I can't refute your comments nor can I readily discuss them without researching and studying the sources that you, as a scientist, failed to cite. Let's look at the video again to see if there were any "super hot fires". The theories that you have advanced don't do anything to explain the molten steel found in WTC7. The molten steel that FEMA found and described, the molten iron found by the RJ Lee group, the USGS, Mark Basile, Steven Jones et al, ... .

A meme chucker appears. OGFT is too afraid to describe the credentials of his outdated source. He's too afraid to address the out of date information on his outdated source. He's too afraid to address the science of Mark Basile, a chemical engineer who has spent his life doing research on precisely these things. He did the tests, following the same rigorous scientific protocols that he has followed for all his other work. He found unreacted Thermate particles in two samples of WTC dust. He found molten iron spheres, which he correctly noted, should not be there. He described how the USGS also found these iron sphericals. He described how FEMA found examples of molten iron in WTC steel. He described how numerous scientists also found examples of molten steel in WTC steel. Yet a lead investigator for NIST, John Gross lied, and said he knew of no one who saw/witnessed molten steel. It's telling that one sample of WTC DUST came from a museum that didn't want to be identified just now. What has this purportedly open society come to? Where is this much vaunted notion that free and open discussions wherein all possibilities are freely discussed is what we are? Such notions are laughable. Your contributions are completely devoid of anything approaching science and for good reason - you stated that you aren't capable of discussing the science because it's beyond you. Then you have gone to extraordinary lengths to illustrate that to us. Jonathon Cole, PE, has performed many test that have shown that the official story, as it relates to the destruction of WTCs12&7, is false. But no one wants to discuss The Great Thermate Debate, or the science of the 2300 architects, engineers and scientists of AE911 Truth. Science, I must remind you, that was published in scientific peer reviewed journals. Compare that to your "science", to OGFT's, to Kimmy's, Michael's, Bush_Cheney's (LOL). Derek is at least in there pitching. We'll see if he's ready to keep doing what science demands, test and retest, form new hypotheses, and test to see if they match established principles. Test some more, raise concerns then address those concerns with science and above all, experimentation. Why couldn't the scientists of NIST perform scientific experiments, particularly after they promised to do so? When you can come up with something more than obfuscation, diversion and repeating fictions, feel free to discuss, Argus. Until then, feel free to keep embarrassing yourself.

Clearly your best science yet, OGFT. And your focus, pointedly away from the science, amazing.

Just as I predicted to myself before I clicked on your link, OGFT, there'll be no scientific experiments involved. I was right. It isn't about arguing with a supporter of the official government story or a truther, it's about science. Watch "interview with chemical Engineer Mark Basile". http://911truthnews.com/interview-with-chemical-engineer-mark-basile/ He performed the necessary experiments to enable to be sufficiently knowledgeable to stay focused on the science.

Still no honesty, OGFT. ------------------------- Point TT-6: The Claim that There Was No Molten Steel or Iron in the WTC Point TT-6: Buildings << Previous Point, Next Point >> Introduction According to the official account, the Twin Towers were brought down by airplane impacts and fire, and in the case of WTC 7, by fire alone. One implication of this account is that the destruction would have produced no molten steel or iron, which is produced when steel is melted by certain substances, such as thermite): Structural steel does not begin to melt until it reaches about 1,482°C (2,700°F), and iron does not melt until it reaches 1,538°C (2,800°F).[1] The fires ignited by the plane crashes, even with the help of jet fuel, could not have been hotter than 1,000°C (1,832°F), meaning that they would have been at least 1000 degrees F. cooler than what would be necessary to melt steel/iron. The presence of molten steel or iron, therefore, would have implied that the building steel had been melted by something other than the airplane impacts and the resulting fires. http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/

Your meme generator is still on the fritz, George.

Nope, still no honesty, OGFT. Sad and shameless. You say the science is already in. That's completely unscientific. If it was already in, why did you argue your outdated "science"? If it's already in why did you stop cold stone dead when you found yourself up a stump. And still you press shamelessly on, apparently with not even the smarts required to realize just how hypocritical and completely unscientific you are being.

"NIST must rely on its claim of molten aluminum in order to validate its official fire-based explanation, because office fires cannot generate the extreme temperature required to melt steel or iron." http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/affiliate-marketing-program/899-what-was-the-molten-metal-seen-pouring-out-of-the-south-tower-minutes-before-its-collapse-steel-and-iron-or-aluminum-andor-lead.html Why wouldn't NIST do some simple experiments to verify their contention? It's not like this is a difficult experiment to perform. It's certainly within the capability of even a grad student. Puzzling indeed!

No science yet from Bush_Cheney, OGFT, Tim. And the poor guy/girl was issued a truly defective meme generator.

Have any of the meme chuckers put in a call for reinforcements yet? Where's Kimmy, Michael, Argus, ... ? Warm up your meme generators, recruits, and get the hell over here!!!