GWiz

WOW... What "generation" of Corolla is that... Most be at least a 2nd, eh... All in all though, I agree, the "sustainability" of Toyota Corolla's to Mig 21s is quite high, and quite well known...

Exactly right, yet only a fraction of the problems, both seen and unseen, plaquing the JSF program... The FACT that the avionics and weapons systems SOFTWARE is only 60-70% completed as of TODAY being the MAJOR one...

Hi BC, been waitin' for ya...

Again, right on the money (in more ways than one)... A good "money point" would be Paul Martin... He was GREAT when it came to matters involving Canada's economy and managing Canada's finances... Yet, as the Liberal LEADER and Canada's Prime Minister, he failed miserably, although he never had the chance to "warm to and learn" what it took to "run a Country" vs running the financial aspects of a Country... There truly IS a difference... One is managing the reality of the situation, the other "just politics"... NOW-A-DAYS, it seems, "politics" trumps "managing reality" every TIME... To HUMANITY'S DISGRACE I might add...

Not only READ, but at one point strongly supported, the JSF F-35 program back in 1997... Been CLOSELY following it ever since... But then that was the INEXPENSIVE "dream plane" to "rule the skies" which the CURRENT F-35 is no semblance of...

So you don't care that the F-35 is STILL not anywhere near "production", 7 YEARS past it's "completion date" and counting, has MOST countries that are in the "purchase option" program buying NEEDED NOW planes... Let's put it this way, to make it easier for your mind to comprehend, a plane, built in 2020, with the latest 2020 "technologies", is a NEW PLANE, be it called F-35 OR F-18e/f, or any other plane built in 2020... edit add on One thing I DO know is that there will be NEW F-18e/f/G SUPER HORNETS flying in 2020... I CAN'T say the same for the F-35 in any version...

Now THAT is an INTELLIGENT viewpoint of ALL the issues...

Fair question... NOTHING any Canadian Government does directly "impacts" MY life in any significant way... I'm far more concerned about the impact the Harper policies and actions have on my GRANDCHILDREN'S lives... LIKE running up the "record" (prev $43 Billion for MORONey) breaking $56 BILLION, totally unjustifiable, deficit, with more deficits to come, on Canadians... Trying to undermine and usurp Canada's system of government, and things like that...

A 1996 - F-35 - design is better and "newer" than a 1998 - F-18e/f(g) - design how?

News flash "genious" the "technology" in BOTH airframes are IDENTICAL, and will ALWAYS be the BEST available until the 6th Gen. (unmanned) airframes take over 10-15 years from NOW... THEN they will be INCORPORATED in the "air combat pacs" which will include the F-18e/f/G SUPER HORNETS...

In 1996 the beginning: - Lockheed Martin Corp. is developing the F-35 at its fighter aircraft plant in Fort Worth, where the new stealth warplane is expected to provide about 9,000 jobs over the next three to four decades. Northrop Grumman Corp. is to build the F-35's center fuselage in California and BAE Systems the aft body in England. - - The Navy's F-35C version of the plane is a carrier-based strike fighter to complement the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. - The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is a combat-proven strike fighter with built-in versatility. The Super Hornet's suite of integrated and networked systems provides enhanced interoperability, total force support for the combatant commander and for the troops on the ground. The Super Hornet was built by a team that includes Boeing, Northrop Grumman, GE Aircraft Engines, Raytheon, and more than 1,800 suppliers in the United States and Canada. First production model delivered to the U.S. Navy in December 1998 Entered service in November 1999- The SUPER HORNET is by FAR the better choice since it's FAR more capable in performing the DUTIES that CANADA expects their "FRONT LINE" Fighter Aircraft to do, it's a PROVEN airframe, it's NEWER than the F-35 in capability... 100+ F-18e/f SUPER HORNETS would COST LESS than $5 BILLION DELIVERED and the "support" terms offered by Boeing, considering MOST maintenance infrastructure is already in place (via the F-18 facilities) means that rather than being an additional COST Boeing has ofered CANADA a "primary maintenance function" contract such that CANADA will actually PROFIT from it's ability to MAINTAIN it's Aircraft alongside MAINTAINING OTHER COUNTRY'S F-18a/b/c/d/e/f 's long into the FUTURE... (Boeing US will "change over" to 5th and 6th generation, F-22, unmanned aircraft, maintenance in the US) HELL of a deal...

Many people have said, "this will be Harper's election to lose"... Harper is trying hard to reach that outcome... ON TOPIC and IN THE NEWS: 1. Christiane Ouimet 2. International Co-operation Minister Bev Oda and KAIROS 3. On the road to the Harper government's tipping point THAT is just the very tip of a massive iceberg repressentative of possibly the most CORRUPT, anti-Canadian values, Pro-American, Government REGIME in Canadian History... There are over a dozen more, and far worse, "issues" I could, even now, post on this thread... BUT, to tell the TRUTH, as my sig line states it's what I do, I REALLY DON'T CARE ANYMORE, at least no more so than most other Canadians that have "tuned out" of politics all together... Don't get me wrong, being a VERY PROUD CANADIAN, I'll still be voting Liberal, as I've done since Diefenbaker when he, at the behest of his American puppet masters, scrapped the Avro Arrow... Yup, I'm a PEARSON/TRUDEAU Liberal, if for no other reason than PEARSON & PET being SMART ENOUGH, and PROUD CANADIAN enough, to garner my RESPECT... "The best of bad options is still a bad option and still the best option." - GWiz Regardless of what I say or do it will make not one bit of difference whenever the next election comes about; unless an apathetic, mostly STUPID and ignorant, Canadian Public realizes that it's THEIR GOVERNMENT and that no matter the outcome of an election; it's THEIR CHOICE... Canadians will ALWAYS get exactly THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE and no better... The "BOTTOM LINE" being that it's starting to appear that Harper is RIGHT in his evaluation of the Canadian Public and since he has CONTROL of Canadian's "money matters" (Corporate Entities and the MEDIA) he can manipulate a STUPID Canadian Public any way he wants... Something becoming more and more "evident" by the day...

YOU are the guy that watches those ads! I just KNEW there had to be someone... Otherwise they'd be a TOTAL waste... Thanks... I needed that laugh...

Hell, you're not even smart enough to know when you've been DISMISSED... What'sa matter, having trouble finding your sandbox? (don't answer, redundant question) Last I checked Canada is still a free Country, do whatever your parents let you do...

Why thank you Saipan... I just KNEW you'd realize that sooner or later...

Latest cost per plane CAPPED at $112 Million per Plane in US... Export cost projected at $132 Million PER depending on production run... - The February 2010 restructure reflects the direction ordered by the Secretary in an acquisition decision memorandum issued on February 24 and revised on 03 March 2010. Completing system development and approving full-rate production is now expected in April 2016, about 2 ½ years later than planned in the acquisition program baseline approved in 2007. On March 11, 2010, the Government Accountability Office reported that the current estimated investment is $323 billion to develop and procure 2,457 aircraft. Total estimated acquisition costs had increased $46 billion and development extended 2½ years, compared to the program baseline approved in 2007. Aircraft unit costs will likely exceed the thresholds established by the statutory provision commonly referred to as Nunn-McCurdy and require the Department to certify the need for the JSF to Congress. The Nunn-McCurdy law requires that Congress be notified of a cost growth of more than 15 percent in a program. It also calls for cancellation of programs for which total cost grew by more than 25 percent over the original estimate. -

Ahhh, TOTAL VINDICATION is such a beautiful thing....

Hmmm, let's do the "math" No jobs = no income = poor = no taxes = no social services = starvation = revolt = no USA Too simplistic?

In that case, I must chide you on your total inability in understanding "context"... You see, this is the type of logical disconnect that really illustrates a failure in rational thinking in people like yourself with comprehension difficulties... You're welcome. No charge for the diagnosis... Your comprehension difficulties continue to plague you... I expressed my point of view to my Liberal friends, some Liberal MPs, and even Ignatieff DIRECTLY... It was not the first TIME nor will it be the last TIME I've disagreed with something the Liberal party does, has done, and probably will do... I also disagreed with the whole "coalition" concept, as did Ignatieff, so no problem there... Since you can't comprehend the SIMPLE concept of an individual like myself having INDEPENDENT ideas and viewpoints that differ from a party I tend to support, for a great variety of reasons, having a discussion with people, like yourself, with a child like understanding of political issues, becomes very boring, very quickly... I said; Your answer; Glad we could agree on something... You seem to be caught up in some self centered notion that I should care what YOUR warped opinions on totally irrelevent, certainly to this thread topic, subject matter is... I don't give a damn about what your feeble mind conjures up as being "facts" since I've lived what you may (although I doubt the comprehension skills to do so) have read somewhere... I tell you that Harper PROROQUED PARLIAMENT rather than debate the "stimulous" issue, you ignor the FACT... I SHOW you where the Harper Regime BUDGETS $178 MILLION (a HUGE amount to start with) for the G8 AND G20 summits that THEN becomes $1.1 BILLION and you can't understand that it's YOU not I that has to "justify" such a sickening WASTE OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS... On top of which NOTHING, that's right, NOTHING, was accomplished because of the $1.1 BILLION G8/G20 Harper summits... Your childish comeback is asking me to JUSTIFY the cost of the 2002 Kananaskis G8 Summit... The FIRST post 9/11 2001 summit, which, because of people like George W. Bush and Tony Blair attending required an EXTRA ORDINARY amount of security messures (most of the higher costs being picked up by the US & GB btw)... Also in attendance was Putin of Russia as the NEWEST member of the G8 along with a very LARGE delegation of Nation leaders from Africa since the central theme of that G8 concerned aid to Africa and resulted in such aid being forthcoming including a $15 BILLION "aids" fighting commitment from the US... Overall the 2002 Kananaskis G8 summit was deemed one of the most SUCCESSFUL G7/G8 summits ever held... All I'm saying to you is to go back to playing in your sandbox and let adults discuss things in an intelligent manner... You bore me and offer me, nor anyone else viewing this thread, NOTHING of any value...

I have that very same thought every TIME that idea is put out...

Poor Saipan, still don't understand the most basic rule in TROLLING do you? I told you you can not catch anything without a good SPINNER bait on the end of your line instead of the bare hook you continue to use when you TROLL... NOW, if Ignatieff WERE in power, and an upcoming election was HIS to lose, THEN you would be much more successful in your attempt to catch something... Maybe next TIME?

Very accurate description of the workings of Elections Canada and how Political entities work with them... Incidently, just for EVERYBODY's information, Elections Canada is NOT some strange detached entity, it is a FULLY TAX PAYER FUNDED but INDEPENDENT entity as an integral part of Canada's Parliamentary System... Simply put, ANY "legal" questioning of what "Elections Canada" does, as the Harper Regime is doing NOW, means WE, Canadian Tax Payers, are PAYING for those "challenges" to Election Canada rulings... Not that the HARPER REGIME cares about Canadians or how their TAX MONEY gets spent...

How about OPTIONS to Corporations based on employment numbers AND profit numbers? Choices of Government subsidies OR Tax concessions, but NEVER BOTH as is the case with many Corporate entities today...

I agree, a very well written letter...

I was just wondering if the pressure the Harper Regime puts on Provincial (especially Liberal) Governments like they did in Ontario and BC which it doesn't take a genius to realize is going to "hurt" the Prov. Gov. politically is such that it literally gives said Gov. no choice but to comply or hurt the province just to save themselves politically...