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No no and no and try educate yourself on what a virus is. To start with all a vaccine is, is the virus. How the hell do you think it works. They give you a mild exposure to the virus to build up immunities in your system to fight it. The only way to have your body deal with a virus is to build up its immunity system so it can beat the virus. Most viruses, the vast majority, we have a natural ability to fight. When we do not have clear stats on the actual amount of people with the virus, the fatality rate will always seem higher and that is because hundreds and thousands have the virus and never report it because they never get sick from it. Next there is no such thing as "herd immunity". That is your twisted and incorrect misunderstanding of what a vaccine is or what exposing people to a virus that is not dangerous means. You are panicked thinking this virus will kill you. You are hyped up from over amplification on your cell phone and internet of the subject matter and your lack of awareness and understanding of what a virus is. To repeat again, this virus will not kill you. It is only of concern for people with compromised immunities and even then it of course does not and will not kill ALL people with compromised immunities. No statistic is showing that. You have no clue when people die why they have died. Certain bacteria piggy back on a human when we are sick and have no immunities. You have no idea whether the human who is sick would have been exposed to those bacteria and died of them whether they had the virus or not. Many times the piggy backing on makes the bacteria show up faster but it does not mean the bacteria would not have shown up anyways virus or no virus, something you clearly can not conceive. Viruses mutate all the time. Do you know what that means? It means they can become less deadly not necessarily more deadly. Why do you assume its a bad thing. Mutation is an evolutionary process. Everything that is a virus, a bacteria, a life form, mutates constantly. You think this is something dangerous? If it was why are homo sapiens still around? Why have we not become extinct.?Think man...those mutations are part of evolutionary change. Why are you so afraid of change? No one flattens any curve. As statistics become more accurate they always flatten out as the pattern becomes more reported and charted. Its how numbers work as the numbers between the extreme numbers emerge. Its called quantitative statistics. Its not a conspiracy to kill people just the opposite-the more accurate the stats become the more we know where to concentrate funding. There has been above board precautions put in place as we are in the beginning phase of the exposure in many countries. Governments are erring on the side of caution and in the future we will probably look back at this current situation and say we over-reacted and the over-reaction caused more harm than good as it focused attention away from immunity compromised patients to the majority of individuals we should have let become naturally exposed and left alone as we do with colds and flus so we can concentrate on immune compromised people. That is fine. They have new systems in place and this serves as a valuable test on preparation for future viruses as well. This is an inevitable consequence of increased air travel. It is a direct result of people all over the world being so mobile. Disease does not stop at borders. A virus is like the movement of the tide of the ocean. You can not stop it. You can try slow it down with dykes, water walls, dams, barriers but water goes to where water goes eventually and you have to learn to live with its natural movements not fight it unrealistically. Humankind has felt it can rise itself above nature. Viruses are a reminder we can not. Most of us living in cities are scientifically uneducated and totally unaware of the risks around us. We are blind to the environment. Viruses remind us the environment we are blind to has components that can raise issues if we ignore those phenomena or engage in behavior that fights those phenomena unrealistically. No one is going to die because we didn't stop the spread of a cold or a flue or anything else. They die because its part of life, and an inevitable part of life when we get to a certain age. We are not immortal. If this virus makes you feel mortal then deal with it. Deal with the fear of being unable to control. This notion or concept we have we can control everything and feel safe is something we understand with children....but as adults we must show a little calm, a little humility, an appreciation that life has always been precious but we took it for granted. It also means hoarding toilet paper, hiding, thinking this virus will vanish by telling everyone to stay home, is ridiculous. This is not a Bible story where you put lamb's blood on the door and the virus passes you by. This is not a curse from God. It is a process of human beings, homo sapiens thinking we are the only life form that should not and can not die.

Your comments make zero sense and are also false. You are a classic example of someone who panics and does not think. First off you went to this site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Then you took a look at this box: Closed Cases 82,288 Cases which had an outcome: 76,219 (93%) Recovered / Discharged 6,069 (7%) Deaths Then you assume from the above there is a death rate of 7% of anyone who gets the virus. You give no thought to your assumption. You just leap to the conclusion and say something absolutely stupid, that people should walk around in haz mat suits. You give no thought to the idiocy of the statement and why that would not work. First off before you rush to a web site and remove its information, read the whole damn thing: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ Here is why your panic and hysteria and removing a statistic out of context is idiotic READ: https://www.bakersfield.com/ap/national/what-is-the-fatality-rate-for-the-new-coronavirus-and/article_04c66afc-bea5-5a0a-90e7-ea2ae295532e.html You can run around in a manic phase yipping and yapping, or you take a grip on your mania. Which one is it man because spreading bullshit hype about people dying is contemptable and irresponsible. You know better man. Stop it. Get a damn grip: " because the current infection count is too low, that death rate — known formally as a “case fatality rate” or “case fatality ratio” — is too high. “That’s one thing we can pretty much say with certainty,” said Josh Michaud, who was an infectious disease epidemiologist with the Defense Department during the H1N1 influenza pandemic in 2009." source: https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-02-11/how-deadly-is-coronavirus-fatality-rate "As the COVID-19 spreads, scientists are learning more about the disease’s fatality rate. “Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director general of the World Health Organization, said at a press briefing in Geneva. That’s more than previous estimates of around 2% and the influenza fatality rate of less than 1%. Tedros previously said the fatality rate in Wuhan, China, considered the epicenter of the outbreak, is between 2% and 4%. Outside of Wuhan, it is thought to be closer to 0.7%, although some estimates put it at closer to 2%. The epidemic is “affecting countries in different ways,” he added. Worldwide, there were 110,588 COVID-19 cases and 3,841 deaths as of Monday morning; 62,109 people worldwide have recovered, according to data published by the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering’s Center for Systems Science and Engineering. In the U.S., 22 people have died, and there are approximately 564 confirmed cases, Johns Hopkins added. The WHO fatality rate estimate could be related to officials underestimating the number of actual cases. If infections are actually higher globally, the fatality rate would obviously fall. The more time asymptomatic people spend going about their daily lives, the more people can become infected." source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-fatality-rates-vary-wildly-depending-on-age-gender-and-medical-history-some-patients-fare-much-worse-than-others-2020-02-26

I think it means the opposite.

Unfortunately the virus doesn't discriminate and it takes many tens of innocent Iranians before killing one regime associate. That said many regime thugs and a few regime ayatollahs have been sent to hell by this virus so far. The virus spread wildly in Iran directly as a result of regime purposely lying again and hiding the facts and figures from Iranians and the world for weeks so that it doesn't affect the parliamentary election turnout and as a result of them lying again to the nation and to the world many thousands are dead or dying now including many in Canada as many recent sufferers have been travelers from Iran. When the world is going to wake up and take this regime out by any possible means? It is now the safety of the whole world in jeopardy not just Iran nation.

Fighting is sometimes necessary as a last resort to defend yourself. Pacifism leads to victimization. You can lay down and take it up the butt from the Chinese or you can fight back. Or you can pretend to lay down and be peaceful while others fight to defend you while you maintain the moral high ground. Fuck China.

The sun is shining and it's dead quiet, lovely day Bought low, sold high, fully stocked up before the panic hit Just chillin' on my patio now, cleaning my Military Style Assault Weapons ; suck it, Zeitgeist.

1. You should never take medical advice from a politician. Read that sentence again and say it out loud and listen to it. 2. He is a farmer from central Ontario with a Youtube channel. 3. They got about 2% in the last election. Not only did NOT most "like" the PPC, most DID NOT LIKE THE PPC. 4. I trust my parents, but they gave pretty bad medical advice when we were growing up. Trust medical science and accredited experts. 5. Rue is actually trying to give you sage advice. This crisis will pass. 6. Your plan is not practical. Read Rue's post. I'm pretty sure that somebody would have thought of this if it were good advice.

Very promising gains in the development of a vaccine: https://globalnews.ca/news/6671901/coronavirus-canadian-company-covid-19-vaccine-candidate/ https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/scientists-in-israel-likely-to-announce-it-developed-coronavirus-vaccine/articleshow/74592807.cms?from=mdr

Most people who get infected recover. The main issue is protecting the vulnerable and not overwhelming the health care system, such that the vulnerable, if and when infected, can get the care that they need. Flatten the curve, protect and support the vulnerable. I don't think it's helpful for most businesses or government activities to shut down, as they are the supply lines and source of the goods, services, and revenues that prop up the economy and society as a whole. We don't want to kill businesses and create shortages. Perhaps as a short-term fix to flatten the surge and get a better handle on public hygiene, a certain amount of shutting down is necessary, but it must be finite and controlled. For example, I can see us temporarily transition to an "A B" or even and "A B C" school environment for a while, where students are divided into smaller classes of say 10-15, so that students have plenty of space around them, use washrooms one at a time, and an intensive cleaning regimen is maintained. Students would attend school in these groupings every second or third day. Teachers could communicate with students using online tools on the other days. But maybe that isn't even necessary. We also have to remember that there's a psychological component to all of this isolation and worry that takes its toll and adds to the problem. We need to keep active and working to some degree. We need a sense of community, even if only in small groupings. Online connections help but probably aren't a sufficient replacement for real physical presence. No man is an island. We are social beings. I'm not sure it's worthwhile or wise to make restaurants and pubs close, for example, though certainly we should have better capacity limits and enforce them. Basically we institute policies of social distancing in schools and the workplace. We maintain this until we see that the health system can handle the vulnerable, who will be following a higher regimen of isolation (probably voluntarily self-imposed instead of "enforced"). That should be plenty of caution, and yes, we will likely see more vulnerable people die than we're used to. Either those who get the virus get an immunity or they do not. If they do, then eventually, even if the virus reaches most of the population, it will settle down after the immunity (which is also what would happen if we develop a vaccine for everyone who hasn't been infected). If there is no permanent immunity after getting the virus, and people can be re-infected, then we will have to get used to this new normal of the vulnerable having to be extra careful to avoid infection, and accepting that some vulnerable people will get infected, with the hope that the health system can support them quite well. I think it can. A vaccine would certainly help. However, with or without one, at some point we have to return to public life, just with greater care. We'll adjust. The silly hoarding has to stop and we need to hear more from the sensible experts. They are not calling for a shut down. We should take this opportunity to think about what our new normal should look like. Perhaps reduced work hours in smaller groupings, with more online work, is a better way for us all to live going forward, with less travel, less work, and less stress. Perhaps this is how we solve the problem of automation replacing human jobs. This was predicted decades ago as a good thing. Machines could do more of the work so humans can do less of it and enjoy more personal interests and time with loved ones. If the whole Breton-Woods monetary system really is a bit of a fiction, which the quantitative easing of the last 19 years has demonstrated, perhaps this is the time for a form of universal basic income, so that no one suffers or feels left out. Lack of money shouldn't be a barrier to health care, education, and a clean environment. We need to think about how we can trade and maintain decent living standards AND maintain a clean environment with a high quality of life. Regulations aren't always bad. They can help a great deal. So can international bodies and trade pacts. Whatever gets ourselves and our trading partners to that place we need to go, a healthy society with a downward trend in emissions and plenty of opportunity, we must do.

People are crazy. And crazy people don't think very well. I was at the mall yesterday for lunch. We couldn't resist dropping by the Loblaws and sure enough, all the TP was gone. But just around the corner was a Rexall which had plenty. The crazy people seek out the places with giant packs of 48 rolls like Walmart, Costco and the Loblaws super stores. Meanwhile, there's plenty available at the corner stores and drug stores, only in regular size packs.

More rational lucid insights.

If need be, governments will have to institute rationing, as in WW2 in Britain. People became quite healthy actually. We may never get there, but we’ll do all we need to do to protect the greatest number of people.

Perhaps. We still don't have a full breakdown. The first patient diagnosed in Italy was a 38 year old amateur athlete in perfect health. He still spent 3 weeks hospitalized on a ventilator before recovering. Large numbers of people with this virus have to be admitted to hospital and need advanced medical care.

Proud you need to stop with the nonsensical responses. Use common sense just once instead of ranting. The vast majority of people who get the corona virus do not get that sick. Think before you write idiotic responses. Think just once what that means.

Good God get a grip. Use some common sense just once.

Clearly some people need to go back to public school and learn to spell not be sent home. I still do not notice the price of escorts and massages going down.

There's always Skip-the Dishes! Just remember to ask for extra napkins.

So is it safe to assume pipelines aimed in China's direction are basically off the table now? I mean, what's the point right?

If the Trump Yanks are so scared of international bodies like the World Trade Organization or World Health Organization, to the point of refusing their test kits, then form a coalition with all the countries willing to maintain high labour and environmental standards, and make meeting those standards a condition of trading with the block. If you’re a China and wish to trade with the block, either accept the standards or pay a penalty on a sliding scale depending on the level of violation in order to sell into the block.

There's that word. Some boys, always with the fighting.

Sure they all will

Hahaha. Well, I don't want to wage war against China. But if they are waging economic warfare against us we need to stand up for ourselves and fight back. Don't underestimate the intentions of the Chinese government, their methods are brutal and uncompromising, they have no ethics. Be too nice to them and they will take advantage of us just like they have been doing.

We have traded with Saudi Arabia, Iran, South Africa before.

Trudeau only acts like a woman.

Don't go to rallies. Though maybe I should. Probably meet some charming people there - like maybe you in a balaclava, screeching at the top of your voice and waving a communist flag.

They don't lack confidence anywhere else in the world.

Yes! We can do it. We need to simplify our lives, learn appreciation, and be better tuned into ourselves and the needs of others, so that we can take better care of ourselves and others. It sounds basic because it is. We have made life harder than it needs to be.

It's all about flattening the curve of cases so that the healthcare system isn't overwhelmed. If people having flu-like symptoms stay home and contact their regional health authority or Telehealth, they can receive direction as to whether testing is necessary, how to get it, and how to proceed with treatment. New testing centres are setting up shop and in some cases testers are visiting homes. I'm sure there will be many situations where people feel symptoms, stay home, and make a complete recovery without setting foot in a hospital. In some cases these people might not get around to the testing until they have recovered, which is okay if they are staying completely isolated at home and others are bringing in the essentials until recovery. The initial worry as we adjust to these measures puts some pressure on the system as people call in. The wisest move for everyone who hasn't felt symptoms of C-19 is to avoid large gatherings; maintain social distancing (approx. 2 meters); hand wash frequently, especially after touching public surfaces; and keep hands away from your eyes, nose and mouth. If the vast majority of people abide by these measures, including 14-day self-isolation for those returning from international travel, we will see the numbers settle down, even if there is an initial surge in cases as testing ramps up and we become better able to identify cases. Seeing the numbers settle down means the system can respond to the needs. We will see more online communications in a number of areas. Eventually people will return to the public sphere, including schools and public transit, but with much more careful health hygiene and social distancing. The opportunity: For those who interpret C-19 as symptomatic of a more crowded and unhealthy world with mismanaged problems, such as climate change and wage inequality, this may be the time to consider major policy initiatives. Some people feel that our society has been too hard to sustain, not just environmentally but in our workplaces and lifestyles. Maybe big growth shouldn't be the focus. We need to manage the economy better. Perhaps a universal basic income will be necessary, as long as there's still incentive to work and standards of living don't significantly drop. I think we can have good social policy and a greener economy, but that will take expert, data-based policy. Politicians have to give more air time to the technocrats, share the facts, ensure the public is well informed, and let everyone weigh in. We can have a more direct democracy and more responsive government/services through technology and better policy. We can build more complete communities, provide greater equality, improve the workplace and the environment, and improve overall health and wellness.

This thread is all immature warmongering nonsense. It's a good thing women are taking control.

I saw a picture the other day on the internet of Jesus passing out rolls of toilet paper to his Christian followers. Gsus, it must be getting really serious and a severe shortage on toilet paper out there if this is what brought Jesus back to earth. Just saying.

Having our goods made cheaply in China reduces costs, and makes things for us cheaper to buy. I get it. But we need to look at the longterm effects too. Turning a fascist dictatorship that has waged economic warfare against us into the world's biggest economy with 1.4 billion people is very dangerous.

Well, I didn't plan on panic buying, just regular shopping, but when I checked, I was low on soaps, TP, disinfectants, etc ... so here I am with bags full of them! Lol Hint: Small stores aren't selling out like big ones. Got everything I need!

That's a lie Rue. I never said that Trump was a genius, he just came in on the heels of two of the worst Presidents in America's history. I categorize him as a crass braggart who grew up learning how to rely upon/take the advice of professionals, which comes in handy when he became the POTUS. Most people rely on their own wits for their entire lifetime and hardly ever get specific counsel on important events in their life, but Trump grew up availing himself of the wealth of knowledge in his dad's lawyers, real estate developers, etc. That's what good Kings did in the past, it's what good leaders still do today. They lean on the expertise of people who know better than they do, and pick up on the best advice. Trump has had "his" moments of brilliance, which basically come from following the plans of his generals, but the thing about being a leader is that you receive dozens of possible courses of action each day, with permutations reaching up to the tens of thousands after just a month or so, and he came out solidly on top in: Trump vs Islamic State as a landholder, Trump vs Putin in Levant, Trump vs Kim Jong Un, Trump vs collusion, Trump vs the whistleblower, Trump/Republicans vs lying & vindictive Dems at SCJ appointment hearings, building the wall, getting tax cuts to voters, getting rid of the individual mandate, etc, etc, etc. Trump made lots of promises to his voters and he followed through in a way which puts all the Presidents before him to shame. Obama's "Yes We Can!" turned into "No, we certainly didn't, but we had a riot!" GWB's presidency was a shambles. Trump is rockin' it right now. Give the credit to whomever you'd like, but the US has been cruising under Trump.

I don't plan on reacting as others are by making-a-run on the stores. Yet, I am concerned that if I wait patiently while others aren't, I might be losing out for NOT reacting! I'm going to be pissed if I go to the store to buy some simple necessity only to discover it is either not available or available but super-inflated in price. What is the best thing to do? I know that the government and media will be intentionally attempting to downplay concern for practical reasons. But it is also hypocritical to keep a 24/7 vigilance constantly in our face telling us: "BREAKING NEWS!...BREAKING NEWS!....BREAKING NEWS!", with the reports asserting, "But there is nothing to panick about." using medical/health authorities with absurd and almost psycho-hypnotically calm voices. It reminds me of this old classic:

May a gay person through a cream pie in your face. This kind of crap does not belong in court or in a rational world. If someone is that upset about gay people they won't bake them a cake that is pathetic. To call it a win is sad. Being ignorant of others in the name of God is not a win its just ignorance couched as religious views. You really think Jesus would not feed you because you are gay?

You not looking for any positives he's doing and tunnel visioning on the negatives is not proof he's doing a bad job, it is proof you are biased against him though. Trump supporters bring up the positives all the time, it's not like they are hard to find, you just don't want to look.

I fear naivety and ignorance more than climate change because, while I think with improvements in energy production and waste reduction we could reduce emissions, I think the kinds of reductions needed to reduce climate change in the significant ways necessary to prevent adaptation aren’t scalable or possible in the next several decades, even if we got to zero emissions within 50 years, because even if all emissions stopped today, global annual average temperatures will rise. We need to act, but not at the cost of widespread poverty or subsistence living. We do have to adapt and recognize that, even if on aggregate there may be more losers than winners due to some inevitable climate change, there will be some winners. Canada will get more arable land and crop production. Ports will open in the far north. People will have to migrate, sometimes on a mass scale, and in this more crowded world, more people will be impacted by natural disasters and communicable diseases. We will have to be adaptable and resilient. Thankfully, as Stephen Pinker and many other scientific influencers have noted, the world is actually a much better place than it was even a couple of decades ago. People are living longer, are more educated, and enjoying more employment than ever before, even if incomes haven’t kept pace with other metrics. We do need to curtail wasteful behaviour and share the wealth better without disincentivizing work and appreciation. The only path forward, I think, is balanced, greener socio-economic policy supported by smarter tech. It’s about ethical, merit-based policies supported by data and technology. Ethics though can be complex, as sometimes automation clashes with employment and environmental considerations clash with the economic opportunity of resource development. Something tells me the world could be quite different with the right leadership.

The "economy and society we have" will be "much worse" if we continue on our path of depleting the earth's ability to sustain itself ... and us. We are taking too much, and giving back too little of any value, and a whole lot of trash and contamination. Some industry elements of the 'economy' will be disrupted, the ones we need to get rid of: fossil fuel burning and single use plastics, 'fast fashion' synthetics, unrepairable appliances, unrepairable and unrecyclable electronics disposed along with their 'rare earth' minerals ... among many examples. Oh well. At the same time, alternative industries will arise, some already here, to take their place. I have great faith in the entrepreneurial and inventive spirits that constantly provide new products and services (thus new industries) to meet society's needs and wants. Now we need to direct and regulate them to profuce only sustainable products, services, industries and business. The economy will continue being the economy, but sustainable, and as eyeball said, not dependent on growth, live within its means, distribute wealth more usefully so money circulates within our economy rather than being hoarded by corporations and super wealthy people offshore, hidden from taxes. And of course, we have to end corporate welfare: Support workers through education and training for necessary transitions, with common health/sickness benefits, living wages, etc. ... but NEVER AGAIN put public money in the hands of greedy and predatory corporations. In other words, we have to regulate and shame predatory capitalism out of existence, in favour of regulated and sustainable economy and industries. Catastrophizing that "The economy and society we have could be lost, and what we get instead could be much worse." is retrogressive and without reason, not useful ... unless your purpose is terrorizing gullible people ... and that isn't useful to the economy or society.

You continue to ignore what I say. I’ve said multiple times that Indigenous need to decide for themselves how to conduct their affairs and spend their funding from the Canadian government. They should decide what to do with the Indian Act because decisions made on their behalf can always be called colonial interference. So far Indigenous are choosing to retain the Indian Act, including its ethnic status cards and territories. I realize this is their adopted reality and that reform/change is a process.

Don’t put fiction about how green we can make our economy ahead of jobs and lives. The economy and society we have could be lost, and what we get instead could be much worse.