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Lets steer this thread back to the title of the topic "pipeline protesters need to be jailed". I would say No - they need to be given a background on the issue at hand. The protesters claim that the Wetsuweten hereditary chiefs did not give permission for the natural gas pipeline. The truth is that a year ago, there were 5 hereditary chiefs, they voted 3 to 2 in favour of the pipeline (along with the wetsuweten elected chiefs). Then the 2 'against' hereditary chiefs gathered together some bully boys, and stripped the 3 'in favour' chiefs (all matriachs) of their credentials, on the basis of they cannot be hereditary chiefs, because they are women.!!. Here is my evidence - straight from the tribe members https://www.jlsreport.com/2019/02/22/wetsuweten-strong-the-symbol-of-male-dominance-over-women/ The 3 "replacement" chiefs have no validity, and therefore the refusal of permission to allow the pipeline is bogus - making the whole protest bogus. The complaints that I have heard - that the pipeline will pollute the water and the land, are also bogus - my evidence - for over 50 years there has been a natural gas pipeline through the Wetsuweten territory, it goes to Prince Rupert, and on the way it branches off to supply natural gas to the houses of the wetsuweten people!!. It has not 'polluted the water and the land', so why would the new one? The protesters are misinformed. I heard innumerable cries of 'they did not consult'. the truth is that 8 years of respectful consultation have taken place, and 20 separate bands on the pipeline route have signed their agreement. The agreements signed with these 20 bands agree to pay them $2.5 million each on completion of the first 10 km of line , $400,000 each on completion of the full line and $10 million dollars per year to share for every year gas flows ( divided by 20 = $500,000 a year to each of the 20 bands). evidence - search on BC government natural gas pipleline agreements and read the text yourself like I did. The majority of these 20 bands number 200 - to 300 persons, that money is badly needed to fund new business opportunities for them. and yet the 2 wetsuweten hereditary chiefs and their 3 'friends' who named themselves hereditary chiefs, want all that money stopped.! and they promise nothing to replace this opportunity for those 20 first nations.. I have witnessed two protests personally, one was up in Courtenay BC, about 25 first nations people in the 15 to 20 age group were standing outside the town on the side of the entry road to the main highway going south. They were not blocking the road, but the RCMP WERE !. a single RCMP vehicle was sideways across the access road., I had to drive 20 minutes through a bunch of side roads and rejoin the highway below Royston. As I rejoined the highway, I saw the access road going north, was blocked by a single BC Government highways contractor vehicle. ! Most of the signs carried were "RCMP leave Wetsuweten people alone". What I conclude is that the RCMP and BC Govt colluded with the protesters, they appeared to be letting them stay there for the day, I am guessing it was on condition that the detour route was left open. The second protest has been on the steps of the BC Legislature in Victoria, the protesters are indigenous youth of whom many are studying at UVIC, who were all well dressed, well fed and well educated, and they have Canada to thank for that. They too, are 15 - 25 year olds with their whole life in front of them, in the best country in the world!!. They have never had it so good!! They have opportunities that young people all over the world would kill to get!. Mother Canada has taken care of them , and yet the protesters have signs saying ' Shut down Canada' ?. Billions upon Billions of dollars are taken in taxes every year from the Canadian population and given to first nations, for this, I do not expect to see the flag of our beautiful country desecrated by signs saying "Reconciliation is Dead" superimposed on an upside-down Canadian flag. No non-indigenous Canadian would dream of desecrating indigenous symbols in such a fashion, there is something very wrong here.

No linky-proof - no truth. LOL

It’s sad to see investment flee from places like Wet’suwet’en territory, but these communities are held hostage by an archaic self-governance model where a minority of unelected chiefs can ruin prospects for their own people, supported by a misinformed fringe of radical activists who won’t be as impacted by the lack of resource development as the people they claim to support.

For what it's worth BC had tested over 2,000 a couple of days ago, while Ontario was nearing 1800 three days ago. But I don't think it really matters. The virus has been spreading undetected throughout the US for weeks now, with virtually no testing done there. In addition, the virus not only has a long incubation period but a lot of people who have it get few or almost no symptoms. They don't go to the doctor for that. They just carry on with their lives, infecting others. The last couple of positive tests we've had were people who traveled to the US and nowhere else. When the US finally begins heavier testing I expect their reported numbers of infected to climb deep into the thousands and then the tens of thousands. Remember, people can't afford to take time off work. No work, no pay. They also can't afford to go to the doctor for a cough and sniffles. Even those with health care have a deductible to pay. I expect the virus to spread through the US as it has China. And for the same reason: vastly incompetent government that cares more about how it looks than whether people die, and a crappy health care system. From there it will spread worldwide. This virus is now beyond containment.

Piss off and stop wasting my time then.

Howdy. I haven't been around here much for quite some time. As I look around I see that the more things change the more they stay the same.

When it is burned it burns much cleaner than other fossil fuels. Worrying about leaks is fine. We monitor closely and repair in a timely manner, as is required by the new regulations that started in January.

72 % of Canadians want governments to resolve Aboriginal rights issues, to stop causing conflicts.

Why are you denying the scientific facts about methane?

If they had the support of the people , then there should be no water/ housing problems on northern reserves. And of all the footage released by the media todate, not many citizens stopped and gave praise or support, most were angry at the blockaders. If you want the government do act , first you must have the support of the people, ask Vets how they are doing in their quest to get equal treatment....just because you have a few white environments in the crowd does not mean they support the first nations cause nor does it mean the rest of Canada gives a shit, I mean the answer is right there in your face, why else do they have to protest ?.

We are not going to replace fossil fuels with wind and solar. Period. It cannot work. If more environmentalists, like this guy, actually studied the numbers, that would be come patently obvious.

Literal blackmail for money using quasi or real terrorism. The public doesn’t support that and never will. You live on the fringe and dialogue with like-minded individuals in a hall of mirrors that isn’t reality.

You didn’t provide a remedy. A remedy was provided to you by @Zeitgeist, you chose to ignore it, and continue to do so, but it completely undermines your weak argument. You’re not actually interested in emissions reductions. Just implementing an all or nothing anti-Canadian agenda. Putin would love it!

I think we'd ALL agree that blockades shouldn't be happening ... if governments are doing their job right. Canadians say ... "The economic impact ... 53% heightens the importance of reaching a resolution through meaningful dialogue and negotiation. 42% requires immediate forceful intervention by police at blockades. 5% Unsure They didn't ask whether governments should have prevented conflict by fulfilling the duty of the Crown to consult meaningfully with Indigenous rights holders, and adequately accommodate their rights and title, when the Crown contemplates actions that may infringe on Aboriginal rights. If they asked the right questions, I think we'd all agree on a lot of things.

This article is from before the RCMP raid that happened Feb 20th. My point in posting that article is the issue of the TCEnergy/CGL pipeline project fast becoming non-viable. " ... bottom falls out of LNG market in Asia Some analysts believe that high-cost fossil fuels from Canada will never be economically viable in a low-carbon world"

There is substantial effort going into increasing the efficiency and reducing unwanted effects of wind turbines. Eg, https://ca.dhgate.com/product/400w-12v-24v-vertical-axis-helix-windmill/431511618.html No doubt the issue of recycling will be addressed.

I don't agree with prescribing how Indigenous people 'should' improve their lives. There are many reasons to get rid of the 'Indian' Act, but there are also many rights enshrined in the Act that need to be preserved. Again, it's their call, and I would like to see Indigenous people take the lead in drafting a new agreement.

Preaching to the choir, as a land owner in the boonies, wind turbines are the enemy I have no shame in being a NIMBY, threaten my property values, that's war The Ontario Green Plan is just Toronto treating the rest of the province as their serfs

And not a single link to the statement...........for all that the poster demands same from others. It is to laugh.

Does it burn cleaner than other fossil fuels? Has the United States used it to significantly cut it's C02 emissions?

I fully support resolving Indigenous issues one of the most important being the riding Canada of the racist Indian Act that is fully supported by the AFN. Giving individual community members an actual voice in decision making without fear of being shunned by corrupt bands and chiefs is of utmost importance. Teresa Spence wasn't and isn't the only chief who used Federal funding for her own gain - there are numerous examples of such fraudulent activity by certain chiefs. Get rid of the Indian Act. Get rid of the AFN. Give every single member of a reserve title to their land. Support bands that understand resource extraction is the only way to improve life in their communities. Greta who? Sorry I don't bother to pay attention to children who preach but don't bother to stay in school so they might actually learn how to make our world a better place.

I love President Bush's comment after the 2016 election. " I guess I',m not looking so bad now."

Why are you denying the scientific facts about natural gas?

We're not in a low carbon world. And the price of oil and gas will shoot up again once the Russians and Saudis come to an agreement, and once we have a handle on the virus.

The majority of Canadians are against the blockades: https://apple.news/AEKe1qh9qTASu3PrnejRwyg

I wonder what kind of crisis will be triggered when some hapless staffer breaks the suggestion to Trump that rallies might not be a good idea for awhile.

Excellent excerpt by Shellenberger. Hadn't seen that one. Thanks.

Yes it is cleaner than coal. It’s a scientific fact. Stop denying science and stop letting the perfect be the enemy of the very good. You’re acting like some kind of religious zealot.

This report is from an organization called the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD) under their "Global Subsidies Initiative". Clearly no confirmation bias or conflict of interest there! Lol. Have any evidence from an unbiased scholarly source that's peer-reviewed?

Redirecting small portion of subsidies would unleash clean energy revolution https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/01/fossil-fuel-subsidy-cash-pay-green-energy-transition

The fanatics continue to repeat lies about how 'cheap' wind and solar are. The fact is nobody builds either in this country without subsidies. That alone gives the lie to the bullshit. Alberta’s NDP government set up its renewable energy subsidy program as a way to get the province to its 30 per cent renewable power target by 2030 while transitioning away from coal. The problem, says University of Calgary economist Harrie Vredenburg, is that wind power is much more expensive than natural gas. “Renewables are difficult to a make a go of with the low price of alternative forms of generation,” said Vredenburg. “We learned the lesson in Europe: Germany and others had very high subsidies, and when they dropped those, it killed the renewable industry.” https://globalnews.ca/news/5162397/alberta-renewable-energy-jobs-climate-policies/

Not true. We spend 10’s of billions on health, education, services and infrastructure on reserves, and collect very little tax revenue in return. That’s the fundamental fact that makes true self- determination impossible. Most reserves aren’t self-sustaining, and they never will be without resource development, which is why Jacee’s brand of radical green activism is so detrimental to Indigenous.

Well the king...pardon...hereditary chief...drives a huge gasoline powered truck and has been convicted of beating his wife. So I'm glad all these South Park Smug types have their morals in order.

So the creation of numerous race based Bantustans with hereditary succession (kings) that Canada pays for?

As opposed to all the other Presidents, who had no egos and blamed themselves for everything.

'Keepers of the Earth' burning tires. You just can't make this stuff up.

Why are you asking me ? I'm not a Conservative, I'm a Republican.