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Because it's not all that simple black and white. Does the constitution apply to Gitmo? What were the obligations of the Canadian government in regards to protecting detainee who was a traitor? What efforts were taken if any, by our government to get him out. There are many unanswered questions about Canada's role in this epic failure that resulted in a terrorist becoming quite wealthy. There should be an inquiry, except for my latter point that they want to protect themselves. There will not be.

Don't get too attached to adult male Starks

Nearly 50% of the electorate? Violent crime has risen aside from a decline based solely on the lower number of young men in the population. More importantly, the nature of violent crime has gotten worse. Prior to Canada loosening up immigration, the only violent gangs we had were the motorcycle gangs, and they were few in number and few in population. Now every city has hundreds of violent members of street gangs, almost all of them ethnic. You have no evidence to support that since in the US Muslims are lumped in, for statistical purposes, with Caucasians, the way Hispanics used to be, and Canadians are too polite to keep racial or religious statistics on its criminals. It wouldn't have anything to do with the number of Islamist attacks around the world, huh? Nothing to do with people wearing bedsheets and bags on their heads walking around demanding special treatment? Naw, just those horrible white guys again, coincidentally the most liberal, permissive and easy going population on the planet. Yes, I understand how it works. What I also understand is that not every single population (excluding white guys of course) is made up of wonderful, free thinking, tolerant individuals. I understand that the economics are different now, and that the cultural value set of this particular group of immigrants differs from our home-grown value system by a FAR greater degree than any other large immigrant group in our history. That's simply not true. Everything you've ever posted here speaks of your contempt for western society and Canadian values. The only love you might have is for the immigrants you hope will make Canada more like their homelands and less like the place you feel such contempt for.

No. There are a lot of scared people. Scriblett, betsy, Argus. They are scared of the caricature that's been created in their heads. Your use of the word hippie brings down your credibility to have a serious debate. If that's what you want to do, fine.

You don't seem to understand the meaning of Apartheid. It's difficult to have a debate, when you don't know what you're debating.

Wrong. You should look up the meaning bigotry to understand how your comments are bigoted. The reasons why Trump won was due to the following: - Clinton and the Democrats were the same old shit and many people, no longer had the stomach for someone like Clinton, which leads to: - People didn't show up to vote. Only 58% of eligible voters, voted. That's one of the lowest turnouts in a long time. - The loud minority who are die-hard Trump supporters are typically low in intelligence, uneducated and are attracted reality tv stars. - The electoral system sucks Trump supporters delight in his saying outrageous (read: racist / lies / b.s.) because they are immature, uneducated and like fart jokes Let me correct you: Violent crimes have gone down over the past decades. Just very recently it went up after consecutive years of it going down, but overall, it's been a steady decrease. Not only that, it sounds like you are suggesting that violent crimes are being committed by Muslims. Muslims, in Canada and North America have the lowest per capita presence in prisons. But you need to release that fear and apply blame. The rate of racist and islamophobic attacks have increased more than any other ethnicity/religion. The problem is with scared, ignorant, bigoted white guys. It's because you are a scared person. It's the fear of the unknown. The inability to adapt and adjust to changes in the world. The inevitable. You want to hold onto things that you are comfortable with. This fear does not allow you to advance. It probably has to do with being isolated and growing up around the same, stale things, "old stock" Canadians are used to. Usually, these things are taught by parents. The scared people, who are afraid of change were never taught. Being curious and learning about what you don't know about is how the human race was able to advance. The silk road opened not only economies to each other, but brought people together to learn about technology and food and art and science. I'm sure there were 'old stock' people in the past who were against the silk road. It probably scared them. They were too scared of change and they were not brave enough to learn. The society is being built and those who are unable to learn and adapt to the inevitable changes will be pushed aside. Perhaps some will go crazy and start shooting up schools, mosques and politicians, but eventually, they will be pushed aside. You worry. I see that. I also see that you're trying to blame these worries onto people you don't know anything about. You need a boogeyman. A caricature to blame things on. This is not something new. Scared ignorant people have been blaming immigrants for a long time. Not too many decades ago, the Irish were demonized. So were the Italians (those darker Europeans). Jews were also persecuted. It's a cycle. Muslims are the latest flavour to blame. Take the worst from a group, create a stereotype and then claim the majority are like that. I love Canada. I love how it has progressed. I love how there is a chance and a platform to become better. It's certainly not perfect and can continue to improve, but I'm happy that I'm privileged and lucky to be in this part of the world. We have come a long way in the past century. In some ways, I feel sorry for scared people, who always seem to have a chip on their shoulder. They are always suspicious of those who they're afraid to understand and get to know. It's a crappy way to live and a missed opportunity to learn. It's a shame.

This is the most truthful statement in the whole damn thread. It also applies to Canada and the "right wing" population - the hatred is for those on the extreme left; not so much the people themselves as their apparent belief that the Canada of the somewhat recent past isn't worth retaining. I don't give a damn about muslims or any other religion or culture in particular - just stop telling me I'm a bigot, racist xenophobe. I'm not anti-"other culture", I'm anti-"anti-Canadian".

Because our politicians aren't whores who salivate for the ethnic vote. And even as Muslim numbers continue to rise they won't kowtow to local ethnic leaders and grovel at their feet for votes. Because... uh... because our politicians have such integrity.

A nice theory but according to a recent survey the new generation of born-in-Canada Muslim women are more religious than those who came here and are more likely, not less, to wear burkas and hijabs. They are born here but their cultural value set is defiantly based in the sands of the middle east. And if you don't think that includes the subservience of women and a hatred for gays and Jews you're lying to yourself. Wearing those garments is a defiant rejection of Canadian values and an embracing of everything Islamism stands for, including the oppression of all who are not Muslims and all who do not live according to the tenets of Islam. If the Muslims of Canada had the power right now to decide how this society would be ordered the majority would want it to be an Islamic state with the laws of Islam, and applied with whatever force was necessary against Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

The demands are already there and there will not be any form of legitimized/legalized Sharia Law in Canada.

Actually, it's quite the opposite. For the most part people of different cultures will live within the general community, but as their numbers grow, they actually become more isolated. Sure the next generation may speak better english than their parents, but that is a function of necessity - and sometimes a temporary function. It's not always about low income either, it's about living with those people who have the same culture as them. Look at China town, they aren't integrating into western culture and if anything, they have the numbers where they simply don't have to. A Chinese person can go to Vancouver and have a full life without ever speaking english. The Indians are better integrated with Canada, but they still prefer to be with their own people and one can look to greater Vancouver for that evidence too. We could go on down the line, but Vietnamese choose to be isolated and I think it's obvious that the muslims grow more isolated as their numbers grow too. Sure we can use the Irish, Polish and Italians as people who have integrated, but that's because their cultures aren't too dissimilar to what we've created in Canada. It's stunningly naive and arrogant to think that people with a different religion, race, language and culture, will drop all that and assume Canadian values as their numbers increase.

Lady Olenna was the most interesting character on the show. How did Dany not send troops to defend Highgarden!?!?!?!??! Tyrion is interesting but he's playing the Game of Thrones awfully. Who cares about Casterly Rock? The Reach is the only place that's funding the Crown, with both Gold and Food. I guess they also have the combined power of the Reach now, so they can pay off that Line of Credit with the Iron Bank. Based on the Trailers, we'll have a Dothroki/Dragons v Jamie/Bronn/Randall Lannister army battle. Dany's only chance is to align with the North/Vale/Riverlands. Don't force them to take the knee, you need willing allies. Sam wishes Westeros has a Gutenberg Printing Press. I bet Jorah is going to take his teleportation device to Dragonstone when Jon is still there and be like, Dude, you got my sword!?!?! (LongClaw is the Mormont sword) Way to be creepy Bran!!!! Tell your sister you watched her getting defiled within the first hour you've been together.

First of all, please let me thank you and whoever pays your bills for the time and effort you put into participating in this and other debates on this website. I really DO appreciate what some people who have studied the law try to do in what they believe is the "right thing". HOWEVER (and this is a big however) the many times I have had to become involved with the process, it is precisely because I see practicioners at all levels applying the law precisely to suit their political and/or financial agenda, not to protect any kind of rights that are assumed to exist for Canadian citizens. This Khadr compensation thing is a perfect example. I hope you can take my criticisms as intending to be constructive, as I would not want to dull your idealistic image of the institution - just help you appreciate from a framework of reality the level of scum that abuses it - "in the name of the law".

It's your type of reaction that makes discussing politics with you a waste of my time.

I find that ridiculous. I don't think you've experienced the neighbourhoods you're talking absolute nonsense about. Multiculturalism is alive and well in our cities, neighbourhoods, and especially in our schools. Certain lower cost neighbourhoods in cities have always been flooded with successive waves of immigrants from the latest international wars, invasions and disasters. Irish, Polish, Czech, Jewish, Italian, Vietnamese, and now Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria ... The costumes and customs and food smells change but what is always true is that the kids integrate in schools and are soon indistinguishable from the previous waves of immigrants. The families prosper and move on to better housing ... and a new wave arrives. Multiculturalism isn't something Canada created, it is just a fact that Canada acknowledges. The "isolated cultural groups" you whine about are usuaĺly only 'grouped' by the availability of cheap or public housing on arrival, and disperse as they prosper and buy homes elsewhere. It's a load of nothing, bs, lack of knowledge you spew, and it's dangerous xenophobia, imo. Multiculturalism isn't failing at all. That's just the ranting mantra of white supremacists.

Perhaps this is why Justin is grooming his eight year old daughter Ella Grace for a future role in politics. She joined Trudeau's act at pride parades and this past weekend on board a train to Calgary. Expect more of the same in the months to come. We haven't seen the end of the Trudeau dynasty. Welcome to my nightmare.

Your words "may not have done" contradict your first assertion where you claim you don't support what Kadr did.. You inserted them to suggest there is no proof what Kadr was arrested for..Of course you support what Kadr did. You have denied from the get go he is responsible for what he did and denied he has dirty hands. By denying he is responsible for what he did and denying he has dirty hands, you necessarily support what he did. When people engage in violence and get caught we have to make decisions how to deal with them. You want to pay them if their charter rights are violated, I do not. I think the government's violations must be dealt with in a way that does not entitle the violent perpetrator to financial gain but holds the government accountable in other ways, You don't. You agree with personally compensating perpetrators of violence and denying they were even violent pretending they MAY NOT have engaged in violence. Your model of alleged tolerance to means nothing to me In one breath you lecture on how we should not be intolerant of Kadr and in the next admit you travel to nations you know discriminate against people simply because they are not Muslim. Excuse me if I find your views questionable and inconsistent as to when you become and exercise tolerance See I can handle a Taxme-they are openly bigoted and don't hide the crosses they bring to burn. Yours you wear around your neck and pay lip service to.it on Easter or Christmas. Omni I don't have the luxury or moral code to be able to hide my name and deny what I am when I travel. I don't hide from the hatred Kadr was part of. I confront it. Ironically I confront it with gentiles not just Jews. Those gentiles include Muslims who have stood next to me in meetings and defended me and others and called out terrorism and extremism no differently than I have or Christian gentiles or atheist gentiles, etc. That is my point. I don't stand for Trudeau's lip service of photo ops with Syrian refugees fleeing Muslim extremism in one moment and attending extremist Mosques in another. I don't stand for Trudeau who panders to Muslims clapping as a Muslim MP singles out anti-Islam sentiment and then in the next breath ignoring Muslim anti-Semitic messages coming from Mosques in Canada. I don't stand for Trudeau who panders to Muslim conservative fundamentalists for their vote and then in the next breath ridicules the Conservative party leader for being a conservative Catholic. I don't stand for people who turn their tolerance on and off depending on whether it suits their needs. The gentiles who died fighting Hitler and who now fight terrorists don't have the luxury to pick and choose the depravity they defend us against. I stand by them. They personify what it took for my relatives to survive so I could be born in a country where the police do not arrest me for being a Jew. I can deal with superficial Trudeaus. What I can't deal with people who lecture me or others that we should ignore the very morals that built our society. The symbolic exercise of financially compensating Kadr symbolized condoning what heI did-something you just can not notice and acknowledge. If you see nothing contradictory in posing with refugees fleeing terrorist violence and paying Kadr-what have you noticed? If you see nothing contradictory in your Prime Minister in one breath saying we should not negotiate with terrorists while it now comes out less then a week before he said that he arranged his pay off with Kadr, what have you noticed? If you see nothing contradictory in Trudeau et al complaining Peter Kent wrote an aricle in an American newspaper criticizing him while Trudeau had just finished posing for a Rolling Stone article fawning about him, what have you noticed? How did you not notice this is the PM who came to office saying there would be no more secrets and back-room deals and he did exactly that with Kadr? How do you not notice this PM came to office and has put this country into a disasterous multi-generational debt from reckless spending and then in the next breath says he's concerned about the potential legal bill of Kadr's case was referenced further to the Supreme Court of Canada? How have you not noticed the epidemic of suicide in returning Canadian soldiers from Afghanistan and Trudeau is continuing to finance a law that will not provide them adequate social services but in the next breath says he as no money to finance a legal reference on Kadr? Tell me what do you notice? I notice a pattern far bigger than the pay out to Kadr that it is connected to.

Let me clarify again- the law is what it is, the constitution is what it is. Nothing can be done about that. What I want to see is ACCOUNTABILITY. So stop making like I disagree with the finding and have no legal comprehension.

No, you're an idiot. You are the most dishonest poster here. You're a conversation killer. You make people regret engaging with you. You've never won any discussion and you've never really engaged in honest discussion. My mistake was trusting that you could get the ball back over the net, instead...as always, when you get the ball and chuck it into the bush. It's just such a waste. SIGH!

I don't speak for them, but that's my experience to date, a lot of young professionals in blue jeans, who grew up here. Where there are issues, there are resources, legal processes, support.

This discussion is about "Islamophobia in Canada". Your claim to speak for Muslim Canadian women ... to tell them what they should and shouldn't do, wear and be ... is disingenuous, sexist, and Islamophobic, imo.

"All"? I see a lot of Muslim women in my city, only a very few in burkas. I worked for a Muslim woman, a senior manager. I have had Muslim men and women doctors as houseguests. None of them fit your stereotype, and it's unlikely that any of them want you speaking for them. You do need to ask. Because what you have been saying doesn't seem to me to represent the reality of Muslim Canadians. Instead, it just sounds like generalized smearing of a people/culture/religion based on stereotypes mired in extremism.

Now see that is anger. Its a destructive emotion. Ask yourself, what triggered the reaction. Are their more constructive methods to deal with that anger? You see how Omar got in trouble?

And Harper was bad for our scientists? Oy vei. https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/07/29/outrageous-trudeaus-canada-150-research-chair-program-excludes-canadians/

First did you make a spelling mistake? Oh me oh my. Imagine you doing that. I thought only moi did. See we do have so much in common. Next, I disagree with how the charter is applied. I don't speak for other critics. I think the reasoning that it be applied as widely as possible has created a pendelum that has swung so far from its original intent to now threaten its very purpose. Whether s.1 will ever be used to swing the pendelum away from an extreme in wide application remains to be seen. I don't see such decisions in this generation. That said, I did have the luxury of taking a graduate course in constitutional law at Osgoode Hall when I did my Master's, It's a bizarre area of law full of baffle gab. What I found fascinating though was Prof. Hogg who assisted Trudeau and drafted much of the Charter. He spoke candidly to me while we were eating dinner and said neither he nor Trudeau had envisioned the Charter being used as it was in criminal law. They only envisioned it as a way to protect equality rights of French, natives, gays. He said the Charter has taken on a life of its own because of the Supreme Court of Canada's decision to interpret it as widely as possible. I found that very interesting and its why I say to you without partisan bias, I think the Charter is not the problem, sometimes its wide application may be questionable. Charters, constitutions are essential components of democracy and to be safeguards for democratic processes they have to have teeth and be enforced. I would not argue against that, of course not if that is your point. You are right, constitutions that are not enforced become jokes like the one in Russia which sounds fantastic when you read it. The point is its far to say what you do that a constitution with teeth protects a democracy but it can at times undermine it if it goes too far. So far it has not. The Supreme Court of Canada's interpretation of violations at Kadr in regards to fundamental rules of Justice as no different than the US Constitution finding it so as well as the Australian and British high courts. That's not the issue. The Charter was violated for Kadr. It entitled him to return and release-the other issue whether he should be financially compensated personally (other than being released and his legal bill paid) was never brought to the Supreme Court of Canada to reference and interpret. It remains unknown. As long as its not referenced TRudea's refusal to reference it lends to the appearance terrorists as long as they are Canadian can personally gain financially if their charter rights are violated. That violates our most fundamental of legal doctrines that wrong doing can never lead to personal financial reward. The only criminals who have been compensated were in fact proven not to have ever engaged in the actions leading to their arrest. You've failed to grasp that difference. You feel the procedural violations of the Charter magically undo the actions that led to Kadr's detention. They do not. They were wrong actions whether he was brainwashed, a child, fully knew what he did, had no understanding fo what he did. Terrorism doesn't cease being terrorism based in a legal procedural error, it only allows a technical defence to prevent detention. That was and has always been the law until Trudeau for political reasons avoid the public morality and dirty hands doctrine references. Those references stand side by side the charter. The Charter has no section that extinguishes them and I think had they been referenced the courts would have set the government's wrong doing could be addressed, remedied and acknowledged in ways OTHER than giving Kadr personally, money. The pay off I believe creates a bad precedent that undermines all our laws and the Charter until such a reference is done. I know you disagree. I am stating this because people trained as lawyers see the law as a balancing act not a partisan political act. We weigh all the issues not just select the ones that suit our political agenda. I politically despise everything Kadr is and stands for. I do understand why the law releases him from detention, It did so as a balancing act so in the future innocent people do not have their rights violated. However where we differ is I don't stop there and pretend the issue dies there. I see that as only one of the issues to be addressed the other being to ask when does someone whose rights are violated get pecuniary awards. Using your logic a drunk driver who kills someone and gets off on a technicality, i.e., the court waited too long to try him even though the blood test shows he was way over the limit, should be able to get financial compensation. I disagree.

I don't care how much court time it would've 'wasted' it would be worth it. The S.C. concluded that ordering the gov't to ask the U.S. for Khadr's repatriation would interfere with the govt's jurisdiction over foreign relations - so what. He was repatriated, that's all that was necessary. Trudeau's brand is ruined and rightly so; his legacy will be that of a PM paying off a terrorist who more than likely has Canadian blood on his hands. This is a the biggest blunder ever done by a PM which fortunately for Canada could be the end of his and the Liberals reign.