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http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/social-media-users-accuse-cnn-of-fake-news-over-staged-london-attack-protest/news-story/48d9966b71d72a26149b9f9ebae75465 They're duping the viewers......,....to sell their liberal narratives. Don't ever think our own media doesn't do the same.

In light of such a clear answer to the question I posed in another thread I invite others to add further comments here. Personally I'd relish the attempt to round me up and would dearly love to take up arms against it. Take your best shot, I'll even let you have the first one - I insist. Better make it count though, you wouldn't want to pull a Pinochet and cave just when you're making progress, so to speak.

It's not a phobia even if they aren't trying to kill you. If they represent a system which threatens your view on how society should be ordered, then there's nothing wrong to oppose them.

It's not a phobia if they really are trying to kill you... and they really really are trying to do that.

Thanks for the hint, I believe I found it. I have no issue supporting Islam over DOP, power to them in his case. I just wish Islamophobes wore uniforms so terrorists could tell us apart. I don't recall exactly why I clicked like on this, might have been the idea of Islamophobes in uniforms since that's what amused me this time. I didn't read it as wishing death on DoP. However, I see that it could be read that way. For that, I offer @DogOnPorch the apology I promised. I may not agree with him much, but I don't wish death on him.

Actually, I think it may have been you who originally said it...... Either way, I noticed the comment and the "liking" of it and thought, "Wow! The 2 biggest supporters of religious Islam also support terrorists killing anyone who disagrees with Islam. How suprising is that?" (Answer: Not very.)

Isn't severely damaging themselves economically every generation or so, by electing the hapless NDP, a ritual flagellation in BC? Unfortunately for many people, this time they won't be able to flee to Alberta for a job.

You make a good argument ... for atheism. "God's plan" is unknowable, capricious, and as likely to take the guilty as the innocent. So, exactly the same situation as if there were no plan and no God. Therefore by Occam's razor... God willed the children dead, and it was Good because he is Good. Inarguable, but empty of meaning, and so not very convincing.

Go Shenahs I will address some of your comments: You stated: 1a-"There is nothing peaceful about Islam." You have never read the Koran or for that matter studied Islam. You don't even know a Muslim. You have no clue for example who Ahmadiyya Muslims are. You have no clue what the Muslim Reform Movement is. You have no idea who the following people or are what they believe: Abdul Hadi Palazzi, Imam Dr Muhammad Al-Hussaini, Nemat Sadat, Ed Husain, Dr. Tawfik Hamid, Tasibh Sayyed, Salah Choudhury, Irshad Manji, Salim Mansur, Abdurrahman Wahid, Mithal al_Alusi, Kasim Hafeez, Abdullah Saad Al-Hadlaq, Zudi Jasser, Khaleel Mohammed, Nadiya Al-Noor, Noor Dahri, Farooq Haider Khan, Dr. Quanta A. Ahmed, Mudar Zahran, Mohsen Makhmalbaf, Hammad Al Dossari, Nabil Al Fadhl. You have no clue what "abrogation" means when reading the Koran's passages. You have not an iota of understanding of Islam. Thus you spew out ignorant comments about it and all Muslims. You stated- 1b "You are free to defend it." I defend any innocent person including innocent Muslims from people like you who smeer them all with negative hateful descriptions. "It" has a name. It has many names. Its men, women, children, people who blow up the same way I do in a terrorist attack. It has a name. It breathes. It bleeds. As for the Koran, I do not defend anyone who interprets it to justify violence and terror. I can and have taken the Koran and studied it just as I have the Christian Bible and Jewish Bible, the words of the Buddha, Prince Sidharta, the Taoists, The followers of Lao Tzu, Confucius, the Hindu scholars, the Bahaii Scholars, the works of Siekh gurus, etc. I can and do read their works with great respect and look for the passages that call for us to be peaceful, civilized, develop insights as to our behavior. It makes me ashamed or humble in a good way. They can all bring me to the same place. You clearly see something you've never read, the Koran, and billions of people you have never met, as something you are entitled to hate. I don't defend anyone who is ignorant or violent. I challenge them as I do you for those exact two reasons. You stated, " 5. Re: your last sentence, wtf are you talking about? " I find your words ignorant and violent and that is why you can call yourself any name you want on this forum, there is absolutely no difference between you and Muslim terrorists. You speak the identical language. In fact the more I read your words the more they sound like an extremist Muslim trying to incite anti Muslim comments on the board because in a twisted way you want to prove everyone hates Muslims and you are justified in hating non Muslims. This constant message that all Muslims are violent and inhuman, whether it comes from neo Nazi web sites or Tehran ones, I don't give a damn. So what is your name, Khalid, Muhammed or do you want to be called Hans, Ludwig, Batholamew Watkins the third. Which one is it because where I sit, whether you play neo Nazi or Muslim extremist on this board, it doesn't amount to much. You stated: 3. " Muslims are to blame for following this barbaric religion". Blame for what? How is a person who is Muslim culpable for the actions of Muslim terrorists? You want to explain? Using you logic I should blame all Christians for your beliefs. Thanks I won't. You don't think-you spew. You have no idea who it is you hold responsible and why. You stated -" 4. I never called Jews or Christians stupid." I have no idea why you made the above comment, but while we are on the topic of stupid, I find your responses insipid, hateful and having the substance of dead blood cells-pus. You also went on to state in 4..."For those who are familiar with my writing they will find your statement ludicrous tarnishing jews or christians here." For anyone who reads what you or I wrote (I doubt anyone does other than you and I but hey if you think people care about what you write maintain that belief, lol) they will see you come on this board to piss on Muslims and try justify it in the name of Jewish people or Christians. You speak for no one but yourself as do I. Neither of us speaks for anyone else.

Cite?

I always thought Saudi Arabia was Sunni and Iran was Shiite.

Hey dude what have you got against jews? Why do you blame jews? This is about sick Muslims killing infidels. Leave jews out! Muslims are not to be trusted as long as they follow that religion.

Two attacks in the space of two weeks! Manchester bombing and now London! When is this insanity going to end?

"Is there such things as Professionals anymore"? Not with you. You might want to start by learingn to match your verbs properly to their nouns., Try ARE there such things as Professionals anymore... Next coming from someone who can't handle more then one sentence answers before you explode or implode whatever neurological phenomena you aren't interested in an answer just others agreeing with you that you heap scorn on "professionals".. Your comments are illogical. Courts are swamped with negligence awards against professionals. Professional regulators within their own colleges' disciplinary processes can appear to be inconsistent or "doing nothing" because you read one decision you don't like. If you were regulated by a college or society your opinion would be vastly different. I'd explain to you further just how many regulatory colleges there are in Ontario but it might require another sentence.

The babies and the unborn children and the animals had only evil in their hearts too?

Yo soy un hombre sincero De donde crece la palma Y antes de morirme quiero Echar mis versos del alma

Yes, but more importantly it also protects speech that nobody likes. But not so much in Canada.

Speaking to the civilized Finn, TSS, yes your history is far different from Canada's and I could understand why it might not fit. In our country, we could easily go the way of the republic and switch from one figurehead to another yes. That is my point. In a democracy you end up with a non political symbolix figurehead. Its part of the fiction or script required in a democracy. So my attitude is once we have one why is a President any different than a Queen? Especially if the President dresses up at night. Sorry I had to throw the last sentence in. Seriously what's the ultimate difference? Made in Canada? If we really are concerned about the head of state being a foreigner, then what does that mean? Should it make a difference? To me it does not. To some it does. So the debate goes. If someone wants to come up with a made in Canada fiction or script for the head of state they will. It'll just waste a whole bunch of money if you ask me and seriously you just end up with a President instead of Governor General and some new title for the LT. Gov's each province but what changes? The colour of the uniforms? The Title? I do not see why the Queen of the UK can not be the Queen of Canada. I like that link. Its a purely historic one. I know it pisses off some Quebecers and some Canadians. They Quebec anti monarchists need to get over Gen. Wolfe already. I mean come on guys, he died right after that war. As for you people who don't swear allegiance to the Queen, unless you stop swooning over Justin who you kidding.

My issue is the Koran is full of words you can use to hate or do the exact opposite just like the Bible is. Show me a holy book I can use it as a weapon or a method to bandage a wound. Its my choice or yours. I am not here to state there are no extremist Muslims or terrorist Muslims. I am here to state it requires a tad more intelligence to not throw out the entire Islamic religion of fail to differentiate between innocent and extremist-terrorist Muslims. Any idiot can come on this forum and engage in baboon grunts. Anyone. Its simple. You find the pack of apes you don't like and make grunting noises at them. I get it. Stay away from by bananas. I get it. I have been an ape for 61 years. I get it. Alpha male apes, female apes, procreation, fleas, etc. Get it. Jane Goodall that pink ape with no hair she spoke with me. She explained why I like to mount other apes and make grunting noises. I communicate with her. All is fine. That said what now. Do we make grunting noises at any Muslim we can find because of some idiot in London. Is that it? This crap has been going in Britain with the IRA long before these current monkeys. Did it break them? Did hating all Irish people get rid of the IRA? What you think in Israel the majority of people every time there is one of these attacks goes out and kills and attacks a Muslim and blames them all? Seige mentality develops. I won't even attempt to explain that phenomena but I will tell you this. No one h as broken the spirit of Israelis with terrorism and they certainly never did with Britain whether it be that idiot Hitler or the IRA or anyone else. That is because such people do not give in to their base primal fears and revert to the terrorists that attack them. Sorry I have zero time of day for Go Shenas. For me there is zero difference between his extremism and those of Muslim terrorists. None. Da nada. Zero. Don't mistake me as some guilt ridden Liberal either. I am saying anyone who wants to use such horrendous acts to justify hating all Muslims can skip me out. Been there. Seen it. The enemy to me is not that simple to define. I don't like guns. If I have to use one it will be done discriminately not indiscriminately-it won't be based on subjective, lash out reactionary emotions. Seen that happen with young kids in military uniforms. Its hard. Its hard to keep a level head when the enemy takes on the guise of a civilian and attacks the innocent. Its hard not to lash back at the entire group you think that terrorist hides in. They bait through terrorism. They want yout o charge with anger into the crowd and take down the innocent as well as the guilty. That is precisely the game. Then these same rats claim by doing so we ar eno better then them. I know people who have died in such situations because they didn't lash out and want to kill innocent people and so exposed themselves to the rats hiding in the crowds. I know others who went in took down the rats and killed some innocents by accident to do so. Either way there is regret, sorrow, people with broken hearts. What would you have me do-smear the blood of the dead on me and go running into a mosque and blow it up? How far do we go with this anti Muslim rhetoric every time there is a terror attack? I loath the scum who did what he did on the bridge. Don't ask me to now lash out at innocent Muslims or reduce the entire religion to the garbage heap. Too simple. Too primal. They will track down the cell. A ripple effect will happen you and I will not know about. There's going to be far more of this, this summer. The question will be how do people in the West who used to lecture Israel on how they should behave in the face of terrorism now behave? Don't take the name of Jews in vain to justify hating Muslims I say to this Go Shenas. Its not what Israelis are about. No Israeli I know in the army used terrorism as an excuse to hate. They transcended such feelings. They get into a zone where feelings and morality are illusions and not going to keep them alive as they try safeguard others. No don't ask me to arm chair cheer hate in any form terrorist or anti Muslim or anything else. I hate guns. I hated them. I hate bullets. You have to shoot a gun you never again want to. You have no feelings for the gun. You look at it and realize if you have to use one you've already failed. A lot more blood is coming. Don't ask me to be incited by it. I don't have feelings for such garbage. I don't get angry. I realize each terror act means good people will now die tracking down terrorists and the innocent will continue dying. Period.

The problem with this is, you see ISIS (the bad guys) and then you think there's every other muslim (who are good). You refuse to accept anything else...anything in between. Do you really think these problems started with ISIS? Or are you one of these who thinks George Bush started the muslims on the road to terrorism, maybe it was Carter in the 70's...or maybe it was in the 1950's that radical islamists began?

Welcome to the new normal, brought by a leftist near you.

Your comment reflects a complete and utter ignorance as to the stage of social development in Islamic societies not just 65 years ago, but before and after it. You cling to a ridiculous notion that you can blame "we" i.e., the West, i.e., white Christian men, for the divisions within Islamic society. You cling to that tired canard and fling it out. Sometimes you will replace your white Christian men with Jewish ones. Pathetic.

Treating a damaged Quran as if it had human qualities is kind of creepy.

Islamophobia is a wrong term to begin with as phobia means fear. Islamonausea should the correct term; people are fed up with the nonsense of the medieval cult belonging to a desert just like another medieval cult we have just freed ourselves of in the western world.