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Hodad: you're being a bit of an acceptance filter for everything from the Martin/Karmelo POV and a total rejection filter from the Zimmerman/Metcalfe POV. The stories weren't the same at all, yet you're trying to draw a 100% parallel. 1) Zimmerman didn't shoot Trayvon because of a light shove, he was (allegedly) surprise-attacked while he was walking back to his car. That's the only version of the story in existence, so a jury had no choice but to rule based on that (aka - the only) version of the story. 2) Karmelo had every opportunity in the world to choose a less murdery path, and his response to a shove was the exact opposite of proportional, or reasonable. If his standard became the rule, then people with concealed knives and guns could run rampant on society. Any kid that had two friends with him could say "Hodad shoved me", and if his witnesses agreed, they could get away with killing you. Your standard is just ridiculous. Obama's quote: "When Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago." That's his quote. Verbatim. And it's what's known as a snuck premise. Only in this instance, it's more like a "diabolically divisive snuck premise that laid the groundwork for racial violence that was justified in advance by the president." Think about it: if Obama's version of the story was correct (which 99% of demonrats would assume) that means that if a younger version of himself was really just out buying Skittles, and then ran into Zimmerman while he was just humming politely to himself of the way home, he couldn't possibly have survived because he was black, and Zimmerman was out looking for a black to shoot. I don't buy it. I think that if a young Barack Obama was walking through that neighbourhood, minding his own business, he would have been fine. His risk of ending up being shot would have been zero. Was it safe for white people to walk around in the US after Obama's racially divided presidency? Four individuals were convicted and sentenced in 2017 and 2018 for the racially charged kidnapping and torture of an 18-year-old white man with special needs in Chicago. The January 2017 incident drew nationwide outrage after a 28-minute video of the abuse was broadcast on Facebook Live. A 28-minute torture video. Think about that. Where did the justification [in their minds] come from? Do you think it had nothing to do with the BS M Brown narrative? Or Obama's assertion that Trayvon was just killed by a racist and white folk didn't care? I think that's impossible, because "the BS M Brown narrative and Obama's assertion that Trayvon was just killed by a racist and white folk didn't care" caused years of violent racial riots, which were still going strong in the month that attack happened. And that's not a snuck premise, it's an undeniable fact.

Jeebus. We've had this exact conversation multiple times. I gave you the information. I gave you timestamped screenshots. CNN broadcast the robbery footage on the day it was released, just like everyone else. They reported that friends and family described Brown as a "gentle giant" because that's literally how friends and family described him. No one at CNN knew Brown. It's called reporting. In all seriousness, this is representative of your recollection of most of these political issues. You have the facts wrong, remembering twisted versions of events, but with absolute certainty. And you absolutely refuse to adopt new information and update your narrative. You hate CNN with a passion for reasons that are, at least to a large degree, fictional.

I said PO Doesn’t have magical answers and you said yea he does. LOL And no he doesn’t have “solid ways” to turn the economy around quickly. Of course he claims he does like all politicians but his ideas aren’t that original and aren’t any more certain to produce results more than anyone else’s and he has neither the education nor the work experience for anyone to believe his ideas have any credibility. LMAO PP has never produced a single result in his entire adult life! Like literally He’s never had a real job or real responsibilities….other than last year when he had ONE JOB to not blow a 20+ point election lead, which he FAILED SPECTACULARLY. That’s the opposite of reality like what you’re claiming. . You can’t deny the FACTS that PP’s platform came out AFTER Carney that’s just a fact. And that’s because his campaign had totally ignored Trump and was just a broken record of “just like Justinl” LMAO FAKE NEWS ON BOTH COUNTS You the one who hilariously just claimed on another thread you back up your claims with evidence so go show some proof. PP only released his platform 6 DAYS before the election. 6 DAYS!!! And how can you say lefty Trudeau stole conservative ideas that’s hilarious like what exactly???? NDP maybe but there’s miles of daylight between Trudeau and conservatives. Your BS reminds of those people who nervously blurt out stupid things and a party except those people are usually embarrassed afterwards whereas you have absolutely no shame lLOL. Statcan only reports the numbers the commentary that we are all going to die is all yours. Holy shit kid I understand fine clearly and the explanation has been posted here multiple times including in the right-wing National Post. But as usual you just ignore and delete from memory any inconvenient information. Specifically the inconvenient news you’re ignoring is that the previous quarters weren’t consistently negative they were up and down and flat and mostly ended up negative because of the 1 month in each quarter. It also said negative growth of 0.1% can easily end up revised into flat or even positive growth once final numbers come in. It also said there’s no formal definition of recession and economists consider the depth and duration of negative growth before deciding ther is one. As usual you ignore all the facts I still find it hilarious that won’t blame Bush for the massive recession he caused or Harper when it spilled into. Canada or the COVID crisis that started under Trump’s first term or the crisis that Trump is causing now. For all of those you republitards are like “oh hey shit just happens the government doesn’t control the economy these things just happen like bad weather you just have to wait them out“ But then when Obama inherited Bush’s recession, Biden inherited the COVID and supply chain crisis which spilled over to Trudeau, and when Carney is enduring Trump’s dual economic crises suddenly you’re like “they’re in charge! It’s their job to come up with solution and they’re failing! They caused it or they should have some how figured out a way to immediately stop it! It’s all their fault” Its the same hypocrisy you people pull with Bush’s failed war in Iraq and the global wave of terrorism he unleashed. His years of constant failure, deaths and false promises of victory meant nothing to you until Obama took office and then all of a sudden every day you people screamed that the the president has blood on his hands for not immediately winning the war and ending terrorism Your just partisan internet trolls who can’t discuss issues honestly.

He was just changing the topic, tbh. The main point in my post was that leftists were destroying cities with racial riots on a MASSIVE scale long before Trump was even a blip on their radar, contrary to Linksoul's assertion that they were new under Trump. Racial riots were new under Obama, but to be more precise: massive, destructive, artificially ginned-up racial riots became a a thing under Obama, and he was the main instigator of all that. Linkie has run away. This thread didn't go well for him.

That's possible, I guess. I don't know if I found out about it on the exact day it happened. It's possible that news of that incident never made its way to BC for 6 days. However; on the day that I found out about that shooting, Fox was showing the video, and CNN was saying that they weren't showing the video "out of respect for the deceased and his family." More importantly, CNN ignored Brown's crime, kept the video from the public, and carried on with the BS gentle giant narrative for MONTHS while the country was being destroyed. They were constantly talking about "racist cops, the number of white/black cops in various areas, arrest rates for blacks (it was supposed to be important because allegedly whites don't get arrested when they commit crimes lol), slavery, Jim Crowe laws, oppression, poverty, etc" as if those things were all more important than the fact that the Gentle Giant narrative was total bullshit. CNN acted like the protests were for a legitimate cause and the cop was most likely just another racist pig out shootin' kind, innocent black folks. That was the only impression they gave. "It's pretty much carved in stone that this is the way it happened." That's why the whole CNNiverse was astounded when the verdict didn't back all of CNN's "facts". Honest to God, I considered CNN a news source until I saw their coverage of the M Brown story, and by the second day I was fully aware that they were absolutely not a "news" channel. I'll ask you now... At the conclusion of that story, with all you know, and all that CNN should have made apparent early on, do you think that CNN handled that story like a legitimate news organization? Do you think that they handled that story in a way that fuelled racial division and hatred?

Do you? You hope that any and all fraud is prosecuted? This is new.

Even if your criminals cause a famine, their soldiers will still have enough to eat

“A Conservative MP is raising explosive allegations ..” Yep “explosive allegations” what conservatives do and what junk news sites like Juno traffic in . And that’s why Poillievre is failing miserably. Look how desperate he is getting with this nonsense.

Mark Carney is in the wrong party; he should be in the Conservative Party, but the job wasn’t available and he didn’t have any friends there.

Nope never LMAO!!!! You can’t honestly believe that! Sorry constant false accusations of “liar” is something you and a couple other right wing kioks do multiple times day, you are one of the WORST offenders for doing it and you get called out on it all the time. You RARELY prove ANYTHING you ever say on here, which is also something I have called you out for repeatedly. MAYBE 10% of the time you will actually back up what you claim with proof or a link mostly you just ignore demands for evidence and repeat your unproven claims. You’re NOTORIOUS for it. Spare us fake morality and twisted logic Your bizarre logic is we are not allowed to criticize Republicans for killing people and getting them hurt because that would somehow be “taking glee” in the people Republicans are killing and hurting therefore if you really care about the people Republicans are killing and hurting you allow republicans to continue killing and hurting them without criticism. . Add to that taking sadistic joy in killing hurting and humiliating people theybhate (Palestinians, immigrants, liberals, Iranians etc etc) is a new Republican trademark.

I've already addressed that. So do you mean do i want to know the thing i already proved? No, i already proved it He said the same thing. Which you know And you're desperately trying to dodge the simple truth by pretending you're a lawyer. "YOUR HONOUR, TECHNICALLY MY CLIENT SAID WE DON'T "HAVE" NEED SO THEY"RE COMPLETELY LYING!!!! It's quite clear he's said that we can't trust the us, that relationship is ruptured and trading with them is a weakness we have to correct, he's saying we don't need them.

Yeah, your mom's paying us all 20 bucks an hour to babysit you I hope you appreciate it, she's got to take on 3 more 'special friend' clients just to make you feel like people give a crap about you

Yes, but his incomprehension is due to your incoherence. You didn't think that one through, did you

I agree. There are no times you can correct him on the facts.

If you can’t understand what I am saying that’s due to your incomprehension

There's probably no number of times I can correct you on the facts of the Brown killing that will make it stick, but no, the police didn't release the robbery video until 6 days after. Update your list of copy and paste grievances. Like this one, most of them are false.

I understand the laws quite well. I gave you the component parts of the law. In terms of location, you do not have a duty to retreat from or avoid conflict if you have a legal right to be there. Legally, Anthony was clear to exist under that canopy. And no, you are incorrect about Metcalf as well. It is not reasonable--or legal--to batter someone simply because you don't want them to be in a public place. The reasonable response is just to ignore Anthony and get on with his own business. But kids are dumb. They think unimportant, truly petty things, are worth a physical flight. Especially big boys. Metcalf was probably used to getting his way, but he picked the wrong fight this time. And died over something as utterly pointless as someone he didn't like being under "his" canopy. Dumb.

I accept that you got permission to post LOL LOL LOL

No, you're wrong about that. Metcalfe's response to Karmelo was fair and reasonable. You're correct to say that he didn't own that tent, but he had a reasonable claim to ask Anthony to leave, and he didn't behave in a manner that was out of order for that situation by shoving him. Anthony's response to the shove was not reasonable, necessary, justifiable, or especially proportional, and therein lies the rub: SYG laws don't give you the right to kill someone for a shove. You seem to think that SYG means that you can stand wherever you want and if anyone touches you or speaks to you with a scary tone, you can murder them, and it doesn't mean that at all. What's alarming is that you seem to be trying really hard to understand these laws, and yet you have it all backwards. Think of it as "SYG from a serious threat, or unprovoked attack", not "act like an alligator at the edge of a pond." In Texas, you don't have to run: when you're behaving reasonably and someone comes and flexes on you, intimidates you, and then makes a serious threat or attacks you with actual violence. At the point where a person feels like they're in real danger for their life, they can use lethal force. They can't "start shooting during a shoving match."

I guess you'll have to ask Alberta on that one...I know most liberals are asking "we have a province named Alberta" and on another note those 13 little countries were brought to by the liberal government and their divisive policies....The only ones putting bread on the table is Quebec, Ontario...

Do you want to know why nobody can prove Carney said we don't need the US? It's because he never said it. Why do you people always have to lie to make your points?

Which conservative failures are you talking about, or are you reading out of the liberal propaganda leaflet....I was being nice when i said gullible, the fact they voted in Justin 3 times in a row is not being gullible it is just plain stupid ..or just voting for anyone but conservatives even though Justin was slowly destroying the country......they preferred destroying the country over having a Conservative PM, that sir is retarded....As for Carney, after Justin i'd have voted for my pet hamster....and while he is a million times better than justin....he is nothing more than the promise man... It is not that Carney is not satisfied, he just does not care....his strategy is what is costing jobs...we were not even at the table for 8 months...SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal according to Carney... Lack of military spend goes back well before Harper....Today there are lots of plans but very little in the ways of contracts...SO your say most Canadians knew our military was full of obsolete equipment , but did not care, or just shrugged their shoulders and had better things to worry about...Change is in the air....or should i say the promise of change is in the air...at least while trump is in power once he is gone, NATO as a whole will be back to what it once was...these spending levels are unsustainable for long periods..... Is it a problem, YA it's a problem during my 34 years of service our governments have made lots of promises and delivered very little until forced to...when soldiers are being killed because equipment sucks or just to old...it is a huge problem...

I wish I could say that: "what we are exposed to on this site is just bottom-of-the-barrel leftists, most of them aren't like this", but the sad fact is that, even the cute little pearl-clutching grannies who still think that CBC "News" is legitimate, believe all the BS narratives about M Brown, Obama, Biden, Trump, collusion, the jabs, Iran, Palestinian 'victims', etc. I don't think that a granny who's inculcating her grandchildren with ret4rded leftist drivel is any better than younger people who attend pro-genocide rallies with keffiyehs on.

I literally proved it. You know, For what its worth you could try fact checking yourself before posting crap

Nope.