betsy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 Watch the full movie of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed with Ben Stein, and after, please discuss it. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 Ben is a fun guy...I'll check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMDF3bGyFmo Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I think I have seen this one before. I had a lot of respect for Ben Stein, that was before I had watched this. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I think I have seen this one before. I had a lot of respect for Ben Stein, that was before I had watched this. It's an area we can agree on, that's for sure. I always find it rather incredible when an intelligent person gives up reason for fantasy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 11% meta-score from Rotten Tomatoes: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/expelled_no_intelligence_allowed/ "This film is cheerfully ignorant, manipulative, slanted, cherry-picks quotations, draws unwarranted conclusions, makes outrageous juxtapositions, segues between quotes that are not about the same thing, tells bald-faced lies, etc." - Rober Ebert Hmm I guess that means he didn't like it? But hey, free speech is free speech. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
GostHacked Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) It's an area we can agree on, that's for sure. I always find it rather incredible when an intelligent person gives up reason for fantasy. I used to watch 'Win Ben Stein's Money' quite a bit when it was on. Some great topics and tough questions. Maybe EXPELLED was a counter to Bill Maher's Religiousity. Edited January 9, 2013 by GostHacked Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I used to watch 'Win Ben Stein's Money' quite a bit when it was on. Some great topics and tough questions. Maybe EXPELLED was a counter to Bill Maher's Religiousity. Religulous, actually...both are from 2008. Yes, I've seen this movie...or parts of it. Stein vs Dawkins, etc. I enjoy watching fellows like Dawkins play grab-azz with the Creationists. His Wendy Wright interview is so entertaining this way it's PAINFUL...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I haven't watched it yet, but read an online description of it. Let's imagine for a moment that some scientist DID find evidence of intelligent design. What would be the reaction from our scientific community? Exactly what we see around here... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 I haven't watched it yet, but read an online description of it. Let's imagine for a moment that some scientist DID find evidence of intelligent design. What would be the reaction from our scientific community? Exactly what we see around here... There's a billion bucks awaiting the scientist that disproves evolution. Meanwhile...flu season is here. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 Likewise I kinda think the criticism of Darwinism is interesting. I think evolution is real, but I am talking about the reaction it placed on society. There was this scientific theory, and because of it, because of what we thought it meant about us, we began systematically killing and sterilizing certain types of people. That is the truth, we have done those things. And if we can condemn ideologies, based on the outcome of peoples actions as though they were personas themselves we have to hold science to the same standards as we do other things. Science gave us the atom bomb and we killed. But in that case the excuse is, people did it. Not science. Quote
Sleipnir Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 Watch the full movie of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed with Ben Stein, and after, please discuss it. Basically a movie with no intelligent contents. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
guyser Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 No intelligence allowed, including when I made this movie.-Ben (I was a White House speechwriter) Stein Quote
Sleipnir Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Likewise I kinda think the criticism of Darwinism is interesting. Stein quotes from a passage in Darwin's writing that appears to endorse the notion that for a species to thrive the infirm must be culled. He omits the part where Darwin insists this would be "evil" and that man's care for the weak is "the noblest part of our nature." When I asked Stein about this on my radio show he deadpanned, "If any Darwin fans are listening and we have misquoted him, we are sorry; we don't mean to diss Darwin. -John Moore from National Post The film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed misappropriates the Holocaust and its imagery as a part of its political effort to discredit the scientific community which rejects so-called intelligent design theory. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people and Darwin and evolutionary theory cannot explain Hitler's genocidal madness. Using the Holocaust in order to tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution is outrageous and trivializes the complex factors that led to the mass extermination of European Jewry. -Anti-Defamation League issued the above statement condemning the film's use of the holocaust. It has been the central question of humanity through the ages: How in the world did we get here? In 1859 Charles Darwin provided the answer in his landmark book, The Origin of Species. In the century and a half since, geologists, biologists, physicists, astronomers, and philosophers have contributed a vast amount of research and data in support of Darwin's idea. And yet, millions of Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other people of faith believe in a literal interpretation that humans were crafted by the hand of God. The conflict between science and religion has unleashed passions in school board meetings, courtrooms, and town halls across America and beyond. -Crossroads I was never a big fan of Darwinism because it played such a large part in the Nazis' Final Solution to their so-called "Jewish problem" and was so clearly instrumental in their rationalizing of the Holocaust. So I was primed to want to do a project on how Darwinism relates to fascism and to outline the flaws in Darwinism generally. -Ben Stein was a staunch anti-Darwinist prior to making the film with no basic knowledge in biology. "With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed. -What ben said above is grossly taken out of context from the Origin of Species below. The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil." Edited January 10, 2013 by Sleipnir Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
cybercoma Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Scientific American is one of the oldest monthly magazines that has had the likes of Albert Einstein contribute to it. They're a noteworthy popular science journal that has a reputation for its quality. Here's Scientific American's series of articles about the film. Quote
Mighty AC Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 The very first claim in the film that I looked into turns out to be dodgy. Here are some interesting points about Caroline Crocker, the professor from George Mason that the film Expelled, claims lost her job for simply mentioning intelligent design. http://www.expellede...e-truth/crocker It seems that she flat out taught demonstrably false creationist claims and was the target of student complaints. The university allowed her to finish the year, but chose not to extend her contract. She was not blacklisted afterwards and went on to preach creationism in other classrooms. She even willing contributed to this Washington Post article on the subject. http://www.washingto...0300822_pf.html Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
betsy Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) What? All I'm reading is the usual knee-jerk from the same old guys! And I'm willing to bet some of them didn't even watch the WHOLE movie! Don't attack the messenger (Ben Stein), but rather discuss the content of this movie! OF course this movie will get bad reviews, what do you think? Never mind the reviews....I've enjoyed movies that were badly reviewed! The controversy over this film can be shown mathematically: According to Fandango (Fan Reviews, public viewers), 74% gave it the highest rating (“Must Go”); 11% gave it the next highest; 1%, “So-so”; 1% “No”; and 12%, the lowest rating. But Exit polls in five states indicate that 96% of viewers would enthusiastically recommend Expelled. How does Expelled compare with other movies in late April, 2008? Looking only at highest ratings (Fandango, Fan Reviews, “Must Go”), Baby Mama got 26%, Forbidden Kingdom, 44%, Nim's Island, 37%, and Prom Night, 33%. How impressive is the 74% of Expelled! http://www.objectiveness.com/expelled/ For those with INQUIRING and INTELLIGENT minds, there are serious questions being put forth by the movie. Simply denying them is being like the Berlin Wall....and only proves the major point of Ben Stein! Edited January 10, 2013 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Posted January 10, 2013 Ben is a fun guy...I'll check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMDF3bGyFmo Well this isn't about Religulous. This is about EXPELLED! If you want to discuss that movie, create a thread for it. Quote
betsy Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Basically a movie with no intelligent contents. Oh yeah? Have you watched it? Tell me.... What was Dawkins' answer when Stein asked him...."What will you do if you meet God someday and He asks, Richard what have you done...?" Edited January 10, 2013 by betsy Quote
cybercoma Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 What? All I'm reading is the usual knee-jerk from the same old guys! And I'm willing to bet some of them didn't even watch the WHOLE movie! Don't attack the messenger (Ben Stein), but rather discuss the content of this movie!Nobody attacked the messenger and everyone's replies were directly about the content of the movie. Stop trolling. Quote
betsy Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) And here's an example why you shouldn't completely rely on reviews by the media. Excerpt from a review article: Review of a Review, by Jonathan Whitcomb Since the Los Angeles Times review of Expelled uses the word “deceive,” let's look deeper: the facts about this film. All who have seen this controversial documentary can agree on one thing: Ben Stein attempts to make the point that there is academic censuring and discipline against those who believe in (or just consider openly) Intelligent Design (I.D.) as a possible alternative to Darwinist points of view. This is a fact, regardless of opinions about whether or not Stein has succeeded in making a convincing point (and regardless of the value of I.D.). Another fact is that Stein has accused the media of supporting the inappropriate suppression of the definition of I.D.; his case also includes some connection between the major media and academia, on this subject of I.D. versus Darwin. More...... This newspaper review would have better served the reader with more about the substance of the movie, what it actually contains. Criticisms based upon Olsen’s opinion about Stein’s purposes—that seems, at best, a questionable basis for a film review. On the other hand, I don’t wish Olsen to suffer the fate of the unemployed lady on the park bench. She was a newspaper writer who tried to write fairly about the subject of I.D. I was delighted with the documentary, far more delighted than I had expected after first reading the Los Angeles Times review. ********** Jonathan Whitcomb, author of the nonfiction book Searching for Ropens, Living Pterosaurs in Papua New Guinea, has experienced years of ridicule for proclaiming what the “scientific” establishment refuses to consider: Pterosaurs are not extinct. At least one species, rare and mostly-nocturnal, lives in remote areas like the tropical forests of the Southwest Pacific. http://www.objectiveness.com/expelled/ Edited January 10, 2013 by betsy Quote
Sleipnir Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) What was Dawkins' answer when Stein asked him...."What will you do if you meet God someday and He asks, Richard what have you done...?" Didn't you watch the movie yourself? Edited January 10, 2013 by Sleipnir Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
betsy Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Didn't you watch the movie yourself? Bye-bye. Edited January 10, 2013 by betsy Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Oh yeah? Have you watched it? Tell me.... What was Dawkins' answer when Stein asked him...."What will you do if you meet God someday and He asks, Richard what have you done...?" Why did you HIDE yourself? Well this isn't about Religulous. This is about EXPELLED! If you want to discuss that movie, create a thread for it. No...and due to the subject matter, you're going to have to deal with both views. Your faith is unshakable...right? Like Ben's... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Mighty AC Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 What? All I'm reading is the usual knee-jerk from the same old guys! And I'm willing to bet some of them didn't even watch the WHOLE movie! Don't attack the messenger (Ben Stein), but rather discuss the content of this movie! No jerking knees here. I watched the movie and then Googled the scientists mentioned. Seems that the movie misleads and flat out lies. I mentioned here that during the very first interview the movie lies about the Caroline Crocker incident at George Mason. Seems you ignored that. But let's look at the next "scientists" that the movie highlights. The flick makes another false claim in the very next scene. It states that Robert J. Marks II had his Baylor University website shut down for mentioning ID. As it turns out, Marks was claiming his personal opinions were supported by the University, which they were not. Baylor U simply requested that Marks add a disclaimer to his web page that states the content is the opinion of Marks and not the University itself. Marks refused to post the disclaimer, so Baylor refused to host his site. Shortly after Ben visits "SCIENTIST" Dr. Paul A. Nelson who insinuates that biologists fault evolution after several beers and tries to distance ID from religion. As it turns out Nelson is an advocate for young earth creationism. He is an avid writer of anti-evolution articles but as it turns out his Ph.D is in Philosophy. http://www.arn.org/a...lson.html http://en.wikipedia....on_(creationist) Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Guest Manny Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Nobody attacked the messenger and everyone's replies were directly about the content of the movie. Stop trolling. You're such a cute, little guy Quote
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