Sleipnir Posted January 15, 2013 Report Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) It's also impossible for galaxies to stay together, or for this universe to exist at all according to our understanding of gravity. I recalled reading in an article that people would say similar principle about flying large metallic object in the sky known as 'planes'. It cannot be done, planes cannot fly through the air because it would defy the whole physics thingy. There is a difference Manny, between explaining things in scientific or philosophical terms. Edited January 15, 2013 by Sleipnir Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
DogOnPorch Posted January 15, 2013 Report Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) Agreed! Being made of stardust, like everything else, is cool enough for me. Far more satisfying than being the creation of a fairy tale. Ah, Neil...the new Carl. Well said. Edited January 15, 2013 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 I recalled reading in an article that people would say similar principle about flying large metallic object in the sky known as 'planes'. It cannot be done, planes cannot fly through the air because it would defy the whole physics thingy. There is a difference Manny, between explaining things in scientific or philosophical terms. I think for the most part every response I've made in this thread here is grounded in the "physics thingy", Sleipnir. The scientists have realized a conundrum about gravity, and to solve the problem they did a neat trick. Dream up a hypothetical particle that can't be seen or directly measured, and 'Viola'... the sacred standard model is preserved! I don't have a problem with this. I am just pointing out to the scientifically faithful, those folks who accept whatever a scientist says as the Word, without even understanding it, that they're also believing in nice stories just like the very people they ridicule. Scientists are people too. Every bit as arrogant, vain, jealous, deceitful, and manipulative as anyone. I work with and know hundreds of scientists, and have done for decades. When I hear the pious natterings of the scientifically faithful around here, as though physicists were cut out of different "cloth", and are inherently more virtuous than mortal men, it makes me smile. Quote
Sleipnir Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 I think for the most part every response I've made in this thread here is grounded in the "physics thingy", Sleipnir. The scientists have realized a conundrum about gravity, and to solve the problem they did a neat trick. Dream up a hypothetical particle that can't be seen or directly measured, and 'Viola'... the sacred standard model is preserved! You haven't the faintest clue how physcis work. I don't have a problem with this. I am just pointing out to the scientifically faithful, those folks who accept whatever a scientist says as the Word, without even understanding it, that they're also believing in nice stories just like the very people they ridicule. Apparently you do have a problem with this. Scientists are people too. Every bit as arrogant, vain, jealous, deceitful, and manipulative as anyone. I work with and know hundreds of scientists, and have done for decades. When I hear the pious natterings of the scientifically faithful around here, as though physicists were cut out of different "cloth", and are inherently more virtuous than mortal men, it makes me smile. You sound paranoid. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Guest Manny Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Go away, Merlin and learn too spell ... Edited January 16, 2013 by Manny Quote
dre Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 Ah, Neil...the new Carl. Well said. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 From 1988... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKQQAv5svkk Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Mighty AC Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 Ah, Neil...the new Carl. Well said. Seth Macfarlane is rebooting the Cosmos series and Neil will be the presenter. I'm looking forward to it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Space-Time_Odyssey Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Pliny Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 I think for the most part every response I've made in this thread here is grounded in the "physics thingy", Sleipnir. The scientists have realized a conundrum about gravity, and to solve the problem they did a neat trick. Dream up a hypothetical particle that can't be seen or directly measured, and 'Viola'... the sacred standard model is preserved! I don't have a problem with this. I am just pointing out to the scientifically faithful, those folks who accept whatever a scientist says as the Word, without even understanding it, that they're also believing in nice stories just like the very people they ridicule. Nicely put. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
GostHacked Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 I think for the most part every response I've made in this thread here is grounded in the "physics thingy", Sleipnir. The scientists have realized a conundrum about gravity, and to solve the problem they did a neat trick. Dream up a hypothetical particle that can't be seen or directly measured, and 'Viola'... the sacred standard model is preserved! I don't have a problem with this. I am just pointing out to the scientifically faithful, those folks who accept whatever a scientist says as the Word, without even understanding it, that they're also believing in nice stories just like the very people they ridicule. Well let's hope you are not as stagnant as some of the other posters in this thread in their line of thinking, or round and round we go! They know planetary mechanics and quantum mechanics (atomic level) exist in the same universe but do not act the same within this universe, so there is something we are not seeing yet. And scientists are at least trying to understand why and figure out a way to reconcile the two, hence the new theories. However these scientists looking into these fields are basing it on other already provable testable science. So they are at least creating a theory based on already set science. And yet these scientists at least understand that their views may need to change with new information, the current model may not hold up. Science does not work on consensus. If people think science can work on a consensus, then they stop being scientists. The religous have one model and it has not changed one bit. Well that is not entirely true, because as we have progressed as a species, the Church end up having to change their worldview to match the real one. And that we live in a solar system and we know it is sun-centric, not earth-centric as once thought, which had changed from the flat-earth thinking. Scientists are people too. Every bit as arrogant, vain, jealous, deceitful, and manipulative as anyone. And those 'scientists' who don't follow the scientific method are soon found out because of some agenda being pushed. The scientific process is solid and quickly weeds out the theories that are wrong. When scientists work on consensus rather than the scientific method, then this is where we run into huge problems with what is being presented as science. I work with and know hundreds of scientists, and have done for decades. When I hear the pious natterings of the scientifically faithful around here, as though physicists were cut out of different "cloth", and are inherently more virtuous than mortal men, it makes me smile. Physicists work with the physical world and with well.. physics. Maybe one needs to understand the science of physics in order to really comment on what some of these scientists are proposing (aka they know it is a theory at this point). I won't claim to understand string theory, but as a concept it is quite compelling as a possible explanation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics Physics (from Ancient Greek: φύσις physis "nature") is a natural science that involves the study of matter[1] and its motion through space and time, along with related concepts such as energy and force.[2] More broadly, it is the general analysis of nature, conducted in order to understand how the universe behaves.[3][4][5] Without Physics we would have no understanding on how matter moves through space. Without physics, we would not be able to understand why someone's face would hurt if it got slapped. The universe is very kinetic, but the religious seem to exude mostly potential. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 20, 2013 Report Posted February 20, 2013 Two vids from very intelligent men. Ken Miller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw Neil DeGrasse Tyson talks about Intelligent Design. Quote
betsy Posted February 23, 2013 Author Report Posted February 23, 2013 From 1988... And presenting..... Listen, doesn't that sounds like Dawkins narrating? Quote
GostHacked Posted February 23, 2013 Report Posted February 23, 2013 Well Betsy, you have lost. If that is the kind of response you want others to take seriously, ... but then again you are my FAVE troll of all time. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2013 Report Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) And presenting..... Listen, doesn't that sounds like Dawkins narrating? Jeffrey Hunter? Not really. Edited February 23, 2013 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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