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[Guest chilipeppers]

It was Tommy Douglas's idea but he didn't implement it and couldn't, the province couldn't afford it until equalization came. We all know about Tommy Douglas's other side too don't we now. An evanglical minister, what you call him today a Dominionist LOL

Liberals and dippers aren't lily white either

[geoffrey]

And thank goodness we have the sytem we do, if it was USian style it would be even broker.

Or if Canadians weren't blind ideologues on this issue, we'd have a modern system like the Europeans that actually provides care to people. When Canadians have to go elsewhere because we don't have the technology or ability to treat them, it's a sign we are second class in health care. When Canadians are flown to the US because we have no more beds, it's a sign. So many countries do it better (not neccessarily the US).

No need to create the false dichotomy that you often do on the issue.

[BC_chick]

And thank goodness we have the sytem we do, if it was USian style it would be even broker.

Or if Canadians weren't blind ideologues on this issue, we'd have a modern system like the Europeans that actually provides care to people. When Canadians have to go elsewhere because we don't have the technology or ability to treat them, it's a sign we are second class in health care. When Canadians are flown to the US because we have no more beds, it's a sign. So many countries do it better (not neccessarily the US).

No need to create the false dichotomy that you often do on the issue.

We have people dying here because there aren't enough beds, we have people dying in the US because they don't have access to healthcare.

What's the solution?

Sounds to me like the real complaint is - if people are going to HAVE to die, can't it just be poor ones?

[margrace]

BC Chick and that exactly how a lot of these people look at it. They use the poor as scrapegoats for everything from Food banks to Health Care and gun murders in between.

[geoffrey]

We have people dying here because there aren't enough beds, we have people dying in the US because they don't have access to healthcare.

Because they choose not to have access. You make it sound a whole lot happier than it is.

All hospitals in the US are required to treat an emergency patient... same as in Canada. After that, in Canada, your pretty much on your own. Health care in Canada is already very two tier. If you can't afford secondary coverage, you get NOTHING.

People need to stop pretending otherwise. Is it really that great of health care when you have to wait with a painful or disabling injury for years to get treatment?

Sounds to me like the real complaint is - if people are going to HAVE to die, can't it just be poor ones?

Nah. In France, private companies provide service, there is no shortage and the system is single payer... the government pays for most services through taxation. People also have choice in what doctor they want to see and stuff like that. Same with Norway, the UK, much of the rest of Western Europe.

Instead we are using an idea that only worked 'okay' for a few years in the sixties. It's not Canada or the US. Don't pretend it is. There are many great examples elsewhere in the world.

The bottom line, the current way of delivering health care in Canada is terribly flawed and completely immoral (as decided by the SCC, saying that people should have the ability to pay to save their life).

[betsy]

The one big program, Medicare, that they claim as their own, was a Social Credit program to begin with...and it's broke and getting broker. I guess they're motto is, "if it is broke, keep it!"

Wow, now there is a doosey, medicare had NOTHING to do with the social credit it was Tommy Douglas under the CCF/NDP who brought universal health care to Canadians.

Well excuse me for that little boo-boo of giving the wrong name. So what? What did that change?

And the only reason it is getting broker, if indeed it is is because the Federal governemnt funding is going elsewhere like 1.5 billion a year minimum to Afghanistan and thus it has been since Martin made the the deep cuts back in 1994.

If it is? Hah. Obviously you hadn't heard of the long wait times, the lack of doctors (some people do not even have family doctors), downsizing of numerous hospitals, etc..,

So you blame it on Afghanistan? Of all the other fundings and waste of money, all you could think of was Afghanistan?

What about the billion lost on the gun registry? The various women's programs? Numerous youth programs? Multi-cultural programs? Foreign Aid? Funding for AIDS in Africa? Funding for the useless CBC!

Millions spent on Kyoto under Dion that did squat?

Then let's move on to aids for hotels and golf courses courtesy of Chretien. Adscam! etc..,

[betsy]

Certainly, Tories have been known to call into phone shows on the radio and impersonate ordinary citizens. Sometimes they even impersonate their bosses.

Liberals have been calling phone shows on the radio, and on tv, impersonating ordinary citizens. This tactic especially appeal to the Liberals since they are such big liars to begin with. Conservatives are just taking a defensive stand.

Please provide proof of your assertations betsy,

Uh....I'd say my assertations equals that of what Jdobbin had made. There's also this tiny key-word that would make it hard for him and me to provide proof - I M P E R S O N A T I N G ordinary citizens.

Unless some political party impersonating an ordinary citizen suddenly breaks down and confesses: it was me!

Anyway, since you asked nicely, lo and behold I managed to come up with a proof after all.

"Original Message Follows----

From: “Vellacott, Maurice - Assistant 1”

Subject: Axworthy caught second time practicing black arts of politics

Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:48:24 -0500

> Maurice Vellacott, MP

> Saskatoon-Wanuskewin

>

> Axworthy caught second time

> practicing black arts of politics

>

> For Immediate Release

> January 19, 2006

>

OTTAWA - Tuesday night on Shaw Cable, a caller phoned in falsely accusing front-runner Conservative incumbent MP Maurice Vellacott of sexually assaulting his church secretary at North Park Church. The technicians who have no 7 second delay cut the call off. Vellacott responded quickly by looking directly into the camera, stating to the technicians that he needed to get the name and phone number of that caller for defamation proceedings.

After the cable show ended, Vellacott was handed the requested phone number by Shaw Cable producer Gracie Field. Upon arrival back at his campaign office he was told that a person had reported in and was 100% confident that it was the voice of George Laliberte. The caller maliciously and falsely accused Vellacott of being “removed from North Park Church because you were charged with sexual assault” on his church secretary. Laliberte is a friend of Chris Axworthy’s and apparently owes Axworthy some favours. When the 1-306-956-2570 number provided by the Shaw Cable staff member was dialed, it was found to be Chris Axworthy’s campaign office phone number. At that time Laliberte could not be reached at his home number of 1-306-683-3650. "

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/blog/index...o_call_in_show/

[betsy]

The CPC and their followers top Liberal liars any day of the week.

Can you please provide proof for that assertation?

[BC_chick]

Because they choose not to have access.

You're obviously not familiar with how much healthcare costs in the US... let them eat cake is not quite accurate here. If I recall correctly, if you don't have benefits through your job, it's something ridiculous like $1200/month for a family of four.

All hospitals in the US are required to treat an emergency patient... same as in Canada.

Emergency doesn't do much when your tumour weighs 5 pounds.

After that, in Canada, your pretty much on your own. Health care in Canada is already very two tier. If you can't afford secondary coverage, you get NOTHING. People need to stop pretending otherwise. Is it really that great of health care when you have to wait with a painful or disabling injury for years to get treatment?

Hey, I never said what we have is good, I said both ways people die in both countries, it just so happens that the rich and the poor die equally in this country.

Nah. In France, private companies provide service, there is no shortage and the system is single payer... the government pays for most services through taxation. People also have choice in what doctor they want to see and stuff like that. Same with Norway, the UK, much of the rest of Western Europe.

British healthcare is falling apart worse than Canada's.... France largely subsidises healthcare and your premiums are strictly in accordance with how much you earn. BC does the same thing, nothing wrong with that.... but taking away UNIVERSAL healthcare is the issue here. France and Norway both provide universal healthcare.

Funny though how a conservative guy like you wants to bring up so-called socialist countries for a little guidance on healthcare.

Instead we are using an idea that only worked 'okay' for a few years in the sixties. It's not Canada or the US. Don't pretend it is. There are many great examples elsewhere in the world.

The bottom line, the current way of delivering health care in Canada is terribly flawed and completely immoral (as decided by the SCC, saying that people should have the ability to pay to save their life).

Sure... it's broken... but my point wasn't that it's a-okay, I just said that it's an equal-opportunity killer.

[geoffrey]

British healthcare is falling apart worse than Canada's.... France largely subsidises healthcare and your premiums are strictly in accordance with how much you earn. BC does the same thing, nothing wrong with that.... but taking away UNIVERSAL healthcare is the issue here. France and Norway both provide universal healthcare.

Funny though how a conservative guy like you wants to bring up so-called socialist countries for a little guidance on healthcare.

Ya, the UK was a poor example. France and Norway both provide universal healthcare... but it's provided by private companies that compete for clients. You can also purchase care in either country. Germany and Switzerland also work that way, though I'm unsure beyond that.

That's the way to do it. Not the Canadian way (which is the worst IMO because it impedes a person's ability to save their life, the ultimate crime against liberty)... not the American way (which is just not the best solution).

[ScottSA]

I started writing several years ago and hope to write in one way or other the rest of my life. I've done a number of job over the years to support the writing career but now have a job that complements writing scripts quite well. That, and being married to a nurse, we should live quite comfortably.

How interesting. We both live well, are both married to a nurse (presumably not the same one), and both write for a living. I even used to live in Winnipeg, but don't anymore, which explains why I'm always right in juxtaposition to your always wrong.

[betsy]

Who parrots the party line betsy? It surely isn't me since I don't believe in any of the mainstream parties.

Well, with whom am I kibitzing here regarding political parties??? The bantering was a Cons vs Libs!

You may say you don't believe in any of the mainstream parties....yet you only took notice of MY so-called "parroting!"

Your focused responses to me say otherwise.

Mind you, I don't blame you.....after repeatedly being duped and repeatedly being lied to for 13 loooooong years (and seems still begging for more), I'd be quite hesitant, to say the least, to publicly claim being a Liberal too.

[scribblet]

Boy has this strayed from 'Paid Posters" LOL does anyone really believe that any poster on here is actually paid to do this.... really I don't.

[Michael Bluth]

Boy has this strayed from 'Paid Posters" LOL does anyone really believe that any poster on here is actually paid to do this.... really I don't.

Would receiving EI count?

[jdobbin]

Uh....I'd say my assertations equals that of what Jdobbin had made. There's also this tiny key-word that would make it hard for him and me to provide proof - I M P E R S O N A T I N G ordinary citizens.

Unless some political party impersonating an ordinary citizen suddenly breaks down and confesses: it was me!

Anyway, since you asked nicely, lo and behold I managed to come up with a proof after all.

Yup. It was one of the worst incidents I have seen and the candidate was thoroughly thrashed in the polls for it.

We have seen a lot of this nonsense. There was the B.C. incident as well in the last election.

[jdobbin]

How interesting. We both live well, are both married to a nurse (presumably not the same one), and both write for a living. I even used to live in Winnipeg, but don't anymore, which explains why I'm always right in juxtaposition to your always wrong.

I guess we can always depend of you to do some bashing in a post.

[Argus]

It appears your full time job must be very lucrative in order to allow you all this time to post here on the forum.

Or is the Writer's Guild minimum wage as high as some political party's advertising agency fees?

I live quite comfortably, thank you very much. And I probably type a lot faster than you.

Minimum pay for a feature film script in Canada is $47,000. If it is based upon my treatment, another $21,000. If it is based on someone else's treatment, $31,000. If I do a re-write on my own material, $24,000. If I do a polish on my own material, $7,000. If I do a third draft, $12,000.

Virtually all of it paid for by government grants and loans. For the most part, for movies no one will ever see or ever want to see.

[jdobbin]

Virtually all of it paid for by government grants and loans. For the most part, for movies no one will ever see or ever want to see.

Most of my work has been sold in the U.S.

The rest received no government grants or loans.

Is there anything else you want to attack me on?

[betsy]

I started writing several years ago and hope to write in one way or other the rest of my life. I've done a number of job over the years to support the writing career but now have a job that complements writing scripts quite well. That, and being married to a nurse, we should live quite comfortably.

How interesting. We both live well, are both married to a nurse (presumably not the same one), and both write for a living. I even used to live in Winnipeg, but don't anymore, which explains why I'm always right in juxtaposition to your always wrong.

I used to write too back in the old country as a part-time job. Regularly published. Comics-form. Those days I consider one of the biggest and colorful adventures of my life.

But of course the pay wasn't good, and of course I was using my first language.

That's what I miss the most, writing. I tried writing here..... but I don't think my English is good enough to be considered for publication.

[ScottSA]

I started writing several years ago and hope to write in one way or other the rest of my life. I've done a number of job over the years to support the writing career but now have a job that complements writing scripts quite well. That, and being married to a nurse, we should live quite comfortably.

How interesting. We both live well, are both married to a nurse (presumably not the same one), and both write for a living. I even used to live in Winnipeg, but don't anymore, which explains why I'm always right in juxtaposition to your always wrong.

I used to write too back in the old country as a part-time job. Regularly published. Comics-form. Those days I consider one of the biggest and colorful adventures of my life.

But of course the pay wasn't good, and of course I was using my first language.

That's what I miss the most, writing. I tried writing here..... but I don't think my English is good enough to be considered for publication.

Good editors can do wonders.

[jdobbin]

I used to write too back in the old country as a part-time job. Regularly published. Comics-form. Those days I consider one of the biggest and colorful adventures of my life.

But of course the pay wasn't good, and of course I was using my first language.

That's what I miss the most, writing. I tried writing here..... but I don't think my English is good enough to be considered for publication.

You should try it again. You first do writing for yourself and then you see if others like to read it. As has been mentioned before, we all do things that basically pay the bills. It is wonderful to actually do something you love and get paid for it.

[betsy]

Good editors can do wonders.

You should try it again. You first do writing for yourself and then you see if others likes to read it. As has been mentioned before, we all do things that basically pay the bills. It is wonderful to actually do something you love and get paid for it.

I have several stories that I've begun here (filed away)...but all are unfinished. Some for children and juvenile, a couple possible thrillers. It's just a matter of getting disciplined again to actually sit down at a scheduled time and really finish what I've started. And to get psyched up again.

I was used to pressure back then....my stories were being published weekly. I had to produce something to meet the deadline.

A few years ago I was thinking of sending and submitting stories to the publication house I used to write for, unfortunately it had closed down (along with the other popular publishing houses of the time), after the people's revolution. What replaced them now produce smutty-types.

Thank you for the encouragements. It's working! Just talking about this is firing me up again!

[ScottSA]

Good editors can do wonders.

You should try it again. You first do writing for yourself and then you see if others likes to read it. As has been mentioned before, we all do things that basically pay the bills. It is wonderful to actually do something you love and get paid for it.

I have several stories that I've begun here (filed away)...but all are unfinished. Some for children and juvenile, a couple possible thrillers. It's just a matter of getting disciplined again to actually sit down at a scheduled time and really finish what I've started. And to get psyched up again.

I was used to pressure back then....my stories were being published weekly. I had to produce something to meet the deadline.

A few years ago I was thinking of sending and submitting stories to the publication house I used to write for, unfortunately it had closed down (along with the other popular publishing houses of the time), after the people's revolution. What replaced them now produce smutty-types.

Thank you for the encouragements. It's working! Just talking about this is firing me up again!

Good to hear. I spent way too much time chasing money before I decided to do what I wanted to do. If you have issues with ESL, just get a good editor on Guru.com or Elance.com or somewhere and get an opinion from them. Good ones are not cheap, but they're worth it.

[jdobbin]

Thank you for the encouragements. It's working! Just talking about this is firing me up again!

Write what you enjoy. Publishers are looking for the next J.K Rowling!

At the moment, I am fielding enquirers in Los Angeles for one of my scripts. It is one I completed a few years ago and for some reason is attracting attention now. We'll have to see how it goes. I don't usually get too excited until the check clears.

[betsy]

Good to hear. I spent way too much time chasing money before I decided to do what I wanted to do. If you have issues with ESL, just get a good editor on Guru.com or Elance.com or somewhere and get an opinion from them. Good ones are not cheap, but they're worth it.

Thank you for those tips, Scott. I'm re-organizing my schedules to fit a fixed and definite time for writing along with my two home-based businesses....and of course to include a time for the forum too.