Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe

[scribblet]

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...sive_suici.html

Exclusive: Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe

June 18, 2007 4:45 PM

Brian Ross Reports:

Exclusive_suici_mn_2 Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.

[Remiel]

I read the comments there... some of those people make the crazy folk here look completely sane.

This, in particular, was my favourite (from one of the few with any sense):

It is to notice that the Bush supporters have been reduced to:

1) Hoping for massive terrorist attacks in America so that their opinions will be confirmed in their minds.

2) Hoping for the terrorists to attack "so-called" blue states.

3) Eagerly waiting for the day that they can "execute" members of the American media.

Sounds like America hating is the latest trend in Bush-bot world.

[scribblet]

I read the comments there... some of those people make the crazy folk here look completely sane.

This, in particular, was my favourite (from one of the few with any sense):

Sounds like America hating is the latest trend in Bush-bot world.

All part of Bush Derangement syndrome -

[Remiel]

I think we have very different ideas of what constitutes Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Most of those folks making comments about turning the entire Middle East into glass if the U.S. suffers one more, even small, terrorist attack, are the ones who most strongly qualify for " Derangement " .

[Black Dog]

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

Name one person here who supports suicide bombers. O.K. thx!

[Drea]

BD -- if you're not "with 'em" you're obviously "against 'em".

Some people can only see black and white.

[noahbody]

I would like to see a few of the moderate clerics who live here debate some of their radical counterparts from Afganistan live on Al Jazeera.

[capricorn]

We have our own terrorist training camps right here in Canada. One camp in Ontario was busted almost 2 years ago and the suspects are presently on trial.

Other charges include operating terrorist training camps in rural northern Ontario late last year and receiving terrorist training at those camps and in Fort Erie, Ontario, close to the US border near Buffalo, New York.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/06/news/terror.php

There are 17 accused. Defense lawyers' fees will be payed by us, the taxpayers. What else is new.

Some defence lawyers are complaining that they need more time to pore through the volumes of evidence and to learn the details of a case that allegedly began in Internet chat rooms, before branching out to a Scarborough school, Mississauga Islamic Centre, and then a small northern Ontario town – where the group allegedly trained – and, eventually into the U.S., U.K and Pakistan.

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The most immediate issue is how defence lawyers will be paid for such a complex case when most of the accused have applied for legal aid or hired their lawyers on modest retainers.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/163296

I do believe there is a serious attempt at forming an Islamic army within Canada, the US, the UK and other countries. Here is a detailed overview of this movement.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover061107h.htm

With news that suicide bomb teams are headed here, it sounds like national security authorities are trying to convince us that this is nothing but propaganda. Call me skeptical.

[Rue]

In response to Black Dog’s comment; “Name one person who supports suicide bomber, O.K. thx!” and Drea’s comment; BD-if you’re not ‘with ‘em” you’re obviously “ against em” . Some people can only see black and white.”, I will respond by showing how you Drea and Black Dog in your attempt to be smug in fact have displayed the very black and white thinking you try criticize someone else for.

May I suggest the two of you are either completely oblivious to anything outside your own black and white thinking or are deliberately being selective because I doubt either of you are that oblivious.

But Black Dog why name ONE person. Why not name a few.

Let’s start with the comments of Imad Faluji, a former Minster in the Palestinian Authority, who just on June 9, 2007 stated in Al-Hayat al Jadida, the Palestinian Authority daily, the following comments;

"Planting fear among the enemy is the exalted and holy meaning of terror. We are not terrorists, if the meaning is unjustified killing... therefore, every murder of Israelis is legitimate: "We do not regret what we have done "

How about Tony Martin, a radio talk show host in Palm Beach, Florida telling his listeners; “ Palestinians are entitled to believe that giving their lives in the hope it will bring their country freedom is a noble pursuit and a great sacrifice.”

How about the one quarter of British Muslims surveyed who said bombings can be justified because of the British government’s support for the war on terror? Or the 45% of British Muslims who stated they felt the 9-11 attacks were a US-Israeli conspiracy?

How about the Pew Research poll conducted in the US which indicated one quarter of Muslims age 18-29 felt the use of suicide bombings against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified , “at least on rare occasions”.

Lest you think I would suggest only Muslims feel this way (and I happen to believe the vast majority do not and detest violence and terror and suicide bombings as much as me but do have some of their young vulnerable to the attraction of terrorism fundamentalism) how about going on the inter-net and acknowledging the hundreds of thousands of articles and essays suggesting terrorism against Israel is justified, that terrorist attacks are in fact fake operations created by Israel, or simply freedom fighting.

How about University of Colorado Professor Ward Churchill after 9-11 writing a treatise entitled “ Some People Push Back” and going on a speaking tour suggesting the 3,000 people who died in the Twin Towers were not innocent and described them as “little Eichmans”.

How about former University of London Professor Ted Honderich who wrote After The Terror, published in the Edinburgh University Press, who stated terrorism is morally justifiable.

How about in May of 2006 when British MP George Galloway stated it was morally justifiable for a suicide bomber to murder Tony Blair because of Britain’s decision to go into Afghanistan and Iraq?

How about in December of 2001 when the Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Akrameh Sabri stated suicide bombings are not only justified but should be encouraged?

How about the student rallies in Europe and in particular France, Sweden and Italy where students dress themselves up as suicide bombers and call for the destruction of Israel?

Where were you when the Bishop from Jerusalem caught red handed smuggling bombs and weapons to terrorists in Jerusalem, marched with Italian students and referred to suicide bombers as heroes and martyrs?

May I suggest you two pull your head out of the sand and look closely at yourselves before you suggest others are looking at the world in black and white.

May I suggest you consider reading; “ The Rage and the Pride “ by Oriana Fallaci. She will confuse you. She is and has always been a leftist not a neo-con and yet she has some things to say about people who in fact claim to be leftist and progressive who selectively ignore the left’s support of suicide bombings and terrorism.

No people who support suicide bombings are not just facist wing nuts. Many are students and professors and people who claim to be moderates. You just might find some on these posts if they have the guts to admit it.

[betsy]

It took Pearl Harbor for some people to wake up. Mind you, we're talking of Americans.

I don't know how much....or how many it will have to be for Canadians.

[Black Dog]

In response to Black Dog’s comment; “Name one person who supports suicide bomber, O.K. thx!” and Drea’s comment; BD-if you’re not ‘with ‘em” you’re obviously “ against em” . Some people can only see black and white.”, I will respond by showing how you Drea and Black Dog in your attempt to be smug in fact have displayed the very black and white thinking you try criticize someone else for.

May I suggest the two of you are either completely oblivious to anything outside your own black and white thinking or are deliberately being selective because I doubt either of you are that oblivious.

But Black Dog why name ONE person. Why not name a few.

Rue I direct you back to the o.g. comment with emphasis added.

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

Get it?

[scribblet]

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

Name one person here who supports suicide bombers. O.K. thx!

Apologists for terrorism don't come right out and say 'way to go' but they go out of their way to justify and explain why the poor oppressed terrorists have to turn their kids into human bombs.

This isn't Canada but is recent http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6766569.stm

"If someone commits suicide bombing to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammad, his act is justified

Pakistan Religious Affairs Minister Mohammad Ejaz ul-Haq"

[Black Dog]

Apologists for terrorism don't come right out and say 'way to go' but they go out of their way to justify and explain why the poor oppressed terrorists have to turn their kids into human bombs.

There's a clear difference between explaining and defending.

Y'know, I'm sick of this horseshit. We have right wingers here on this board who explicitly advocate summary executions, torture, and indiscriminate mass slaughter. But that's a-ok. Someone of the lefty persuasion offers their opinion on the causal chain of terrorism, or questions Canada's involvement in Afhganistan or any other aspect of the "War on Terror" and they get branded as Osama's bin Laden's right hand. It's ridiculous, bullying behaviour (here I will note that there are "left-wing" posters here who are guilty of the same behaviour, but certainly not to the degree as the right and certainly I've seen no lefty speak out in favour of the kind of shit I see right-wingers offer their thumbs up to on a regular basis). The only explanation is that, for some, politics is just another way to excercise their tribal impulses, like sports fandom. It's not about values, morality, what's right (oh, sure, you guys like to mouth the platitudes, but you're not fooling anyone). For some (and again, on both sides) there's no atrocity that can't be excused when its their team that's doing it.</rant>

[jdobbin]

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

Who exactly are you talking about in terms of support?

And what exactly different are you suggesting as a strategy?

[scribblet]

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

Who exactly are you talking about in terms of support?

And what exactly different are you suggesting as a strategy?

Strategy for what? If you mean a strategy for vetting immigrants or refugees who might be coming here for nefarious purposes, I would suggest we revisit our refugee and immigration procedures. I meant if there was suicide bombing here would people still support the terrorists. I would say yes they would because they would deny that it was happening.

There are many people who appear to support the terrorists (we've been through this before) and are all too happy to place the blame for all of this squarely on the west or Israel. This includes those who subscribe to the conspiracy theories about 9/11 etc. People such as Randolph Churchill and some posters on this board and others will never place the blame for terrorism on those who commit the acts, they immediately start pimping for them ( terrorists.)

Apologists for Islamic terrorism will rarely admit that there is even as many as 15% of the Islamists who want to see Israel destroyed, along with the west. What the left’s propaganda machine ignores is that, that 10-15% translates into 120 to 180 Million nut cases holding deep beliefs that the “infidel” should be slaughtered in the name of Allah — the Fort Dix Six wrote that down so we could all understand it.

Rue makes excellent points on this.

[GostHacked]

the Fort Dix Six wrote that down so we could all understand it.

Are you really going to believe that a bunch of even highly armed terrorists are going to make an assault on a fully loaded Military installation?? Stacked with trained personelle and the weapons to match? Come on. This is the most rediculous plot someone could come up with. Oh here, I'll go to Best Buy to copy me Jihad movie for the bros back home. Not biting.

[buffycat]

Apologists for terrorism don't come right out and say 'way to go' but they go out of their way to justify and explain why the poor oppressed terrorists have to turn their kids into human bombs.

There's a clear difference between explaining and defending.

Y'know, I'm sick of this horseshit. We have right wingers here on this board who explicitly advocate summary executions, torture, and indiscriminate mass slaughter. But that's a-ok. Someone of the lefty persuasion offers their opinion on the causal chain of terrorism, or questions Canada's involvement in Afhganistan or any other aspect of the "War on Terror" and they get branded as Osama's bin Laden's right hand. It's ridiculous, bullying behaviour (here I will note that there are "left-wing" posters here who are guilty of the same behaviour, but certainly not to the degree as the right and certainly I've seen no lefty speak out in favour of the kind of shit I see right-wingers offer their thumbs up to on a regular basis). The only explanation is that, for some, politics is just another way to excercise their tribal impulses, like sports fandom. It's not about values, morality, what's right (oh, sure, you guys like to mouth the platitudes, but you're not fooling anyone). For some (and again, on both sides) there's no atrocity that can't be excused when its their team that's doing it.</rant>

WOW

Nice rant. Well said Black Dog.

[scribblet]

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May I suggest you two pull your head out of the sand and look closely at yourselves before you suggest others are looking at the world in black and white.

May I suggest you consider reading; “ The Rage and the Pride “ by Oriana Fallaci. She will confuse you. She is and has always been a leftist not a neo-con and yet she has some things to say about people who in fact claim to be leftist and progressive who selectively ignore the left’s support of suicide bombings and terrorism.

No people who support suicide bombings are not just facist wing nuts. Many are students and professors and people who claim to be moderates. You just might find some on these posts if they have the guts to admit it.

Good post Rue...

[Black Dog]

May I suggest you two pull your head out of the sand and look closely at yourselves before you suggest others are looking at the world in black and white.

May I suggest you consider reading; “ The Rage and the Pride “ by Oriana Fallaci. She will confuse you. She is and has always been a leftist not a neo-con and yet she has some things to say about people who in fact claim to be leftist and progressive who selectively ignore the left’s support of suicide bombings and terrorism.

No people who support suicide bombings are not just facist wing nuts. Many are students and professors and people who claim to be moderates. You just might find some on these posts if they have the guts to admit it.

I remember trying to read that piece, but it was either a lousy translation or Fallaci was a bad writer. The style was precious and irritating.

Anyway, like I said, there's "leftists" who defend terrorism. Every crowd has it's nutters, no surprise there. But it's telling that these are seldom people of consequense. Ward Chruchill? I'd heard the name in connection with the American Indian Movement, but he's a fringe player. The rest? Ossified academics and naive university students? Shit, whatever. Meanwhile, the President of the UInited States approves of torture. High-profile pundits muse openly (but always with a sad air of resignation) about the neccesity of targeting civilians. And what do these views get? Approbation from their idealogical fellow-travellers.

[BC_chick]

How about the one quarter of British Muslims surveyed who said bombings can be justified because of the British government’s support for the war on terror? Or the 45% of British Muslims who stated they felt the 9-11 attacks were a US-Israeli conspiracy? How about the Pew Research poll conducted in the US which indicated one quarter of Muslims age 18-29 felt the use of suicide bombings against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified , “at least on rare occasions”.

So, a percentage of them support blowing up innocents in some sort of sick ideological war, eh?

Tell me, what percent of Americans supported blowing up Iraq? (You know, another place where innocent people who had nothing to do with attacks on America became "collateral damage" for a different type of madman)

I couldn't say it better than Black Dog did - you have wing-nuts on this board advocating mass slaughter and torture, but that's okay. I remember a poll on this forum where the number of people who supported a nuclear attack on Iran was just over 50%.

So before you call other people savages for justifying killing, you should maybe look in the mirror and see what your own type is saying.

Added: I just found that thread on Iran, and thank God more sane people took that poll after the last time I saw it - I distincly remember the figure being back and forth on the 50/50 margin for the first little while it was posted - the final result was about 35% in support or undecided.

Nonetheless... it's still high enough.... close to the same quarter percentage of young Muslims who support suicide-bombings.

[jbg]

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

Name one person here who supports suicide bombers. O.K. thx!

Now answer this: Are you blaming the phenomena of suicide bombing on the US and Israel?

[GostHacked]

If this is for real and how would they get into the western countries.....will people here still support them?

Name one person here who supports suicide bombers. O.K. thx!

Now answer this: Are you blaming the phenomena of suicide bombing on the US and Israel?

I doubt any single person posting on this board supports suicide bombings. One good thing about a suicide bomber is that they can only do the job once. If they were not doing suicide bombings, they would be doing something else. No matter the reaction to the action, we would still be talking about it in the same fashion.

Who else can we blame it on? I guess according to Bush_Cheney, Canada as well. Possibly, France, Germany, Spain .... oh I forgot one more... Poland.

With the overt presence of US troops around the world, and with the attitude of bringing the fight to them, (who brought who the fight first??? ahh forget it..right?) 'Bring it on' et al, it would be idiotic to blame it on Jamaica???

As for Israel...... my views on that are known here. But I don't think suicide bombing them is the answer either.