eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 O.K. as in the past tense. The question arises. Would our child welfare services have been equipped to deal with a case of a teenager indoctrinated into the Khadr type terrorist mentality? Probably, if it had started dealing with him according to law instead of ideology. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Why don't you start making voluntary payments to the little tyke when he comes back You mean in addition to his humongous, hopefully, compensation settlement? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Probably, if it had started dealing with him according to law instead of ideology. No one in this country even knew he was being indoctrinated by his parents until after he was sent to Guantanamo. And then there were all those early years he was outside the country with his family. Stop feeling guilty for something we had no control over. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 You mean in addition to his humongous, hopefully, compensation settlement? Compensate him for what? For being a terrorist? Oh right, compensate him because the courts once again decided they knew best, and created another new 'right'. Yes, the judges are now in charge of foreign policy, and can say the government is violating the charter whenever they do something the judges don't like. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Why not be furious and ashamed that the government allowed - and still allows - the parent(s) who 'forced' a child to be a soldier to live the good life in Canada? Are you suggesting the government violate the religious rights of the Khadrs? Do you think child welfare should be able to take children away when their parents teach them bizarre religious beliefs? When they make them into hateful little fanatics? Dream on! Maybe if the parents are Christians, but no way in hell would the left-lib types tolerate the government taking a Muslim kid away from his parents because they were teaching him that holy war was his destiny. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Do you see the problem American Woman? It upends everything, God help our leaders if DOP is proven wrong in living memory. That said history will vindicate Omar Khadr soon enough. I expect one day we'll name schools after him. You realize that whatever he was as a child all reports are he's now a dedicated religious fanatic? A hard-core Islamist who believes in Jihad against the West, right? I was watching power and politics the other day while Robin MacLachlan was getting all emotional about poor little Omar, and I couldn't help wondering what Omar would think of such an openly homosexual man. My best guess is Omar'd be thinking of how best to take his head off. And surely MacLachlan realizes this, doesn't he? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 If somebody doesn't finish the job on him first. Just sayin... What a stupid thing to say. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 he took advantage all the things this country affords him I can't even read the rest of your post after this ridiculous comment. He was a child. How can a child take advantage of "the things this country affords them?" Quote
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 My mistake, he grew up under the same conditions as those of say the average child soldier in Africa...you really don't get tired of saying the most ridiculous things, kudos to your persistence.What do the conditions he grew up in have to do with anything? That does nothing to change the fact that he was used as a child soldier. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Imagine the irony if he blows himself in the middle of a cheering group of NDP supporters... Another utterly stupid comment. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Al Qaeda isn't an army. The LRA isn't considered an army either, even though it's in the name. Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 No one in this country even knew he was being indoctrinated by his parents until after he was sent to Guantanamo. And then there were all those early years he was outside the country with his family. Stop feeling guilty for something we had no control over. I don't feel guilty I feel ashamed, that Canada turned a blind eye and even mocked his abuse after it became apparent. I'm disgusted that so many Canadians lost all control and happily went on to defame slander and further contribute to the massive war crime being committed against a child soldier. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Compensate him for what? For being a terrorist? No, for war crimes being committed against him. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 no way in hell would the left-lib types tolerate the government taking a Muslim kid away from his parents because they were teaching him that holy war was his destiny. Apparently I'm in that category so why am I demanding the government treat his parents as the war criminals here and more to the point why aren't you? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 No, for war crimes being committed against him. There were no war crimes committed against him. He's deserved everything he's gotten over the last several years. I reserve my empathy for people that actually deserve it. Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 You realize that whatever he was as a child all reports are he's now a dedicated religious fanatic? A hard-core Islamist who believes in Jihad against the West, right? I was watching power and politics the other day while Robin MacLachlan was getting all emotional about poor little Omar, and I couldn't help wondering what Omar would think of such an openly homosexual man. My best guess is Omar'd be thinking of how best to take his head off. And surely MacLachlan realizes this, doesn't he? I think you're completely full of crap and that you should be deeply ashamed of yourself for your ongoing slander and defamation of Omar Khadr. I think Canadians like you should be identified and charged as accomplices in the crimes our government has committed against him so his settlement can be charged to you instead of me. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
g_bambino Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) I think Canadians like you should be identified and charged as accomplices in the crimes our government has committed against him so his settlement can be charged to you instead of me. In light of the above, it's pretty hypocritical of you to criticise others' outlandish comments. [ed.: +] Edited April 22, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 The LRA isn't considered an army either, even though it's in the name. Ummmm...so? There's a point to this statement? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 No one in this country even knew he was being indoctrinated by his parents until after he was sent to Guantanamo. I'm not so sure. According to this timeline: October, 2001 Ahmed Said Khadr is named on a list of terrorists wanted by the FBI in connection to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Since Omar was living abroad with his father, it perhaps should have at least raised some red flags. At any rate, even after Omar was captured, no charges of child abuse/raising a child soldier were brought against his parents. So I think the question is: Is he a soldier? If he isn't considered a soldier, then obviously he wasn't a child soldier, and it's not against any Canadian laws for him to be tried as an adult for murder, which means legally he could be considered an adult regarding such a crime. So where did Canada do him wrong? If he was a soldier, why wasn't his father's citizenship revoked for being a soldier in an army fighting against Canada and its allies? - Because if Omar was a soldier, certainly his father was, too. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 My mistake, he grew up under the same conditions as those of say the average child soldier in Africa...you really don't get tired of saying the most ridiculous things, kudos to your persistence. I hear being born and growing up in Ontario can do that to a person. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 I think he should be released back in Afghanistan for Predator drone practice...maybe give him a 20 minute head start. Film it for a reality TV show starring young Omar. Hell, it could be a whole series watching Khadr hide from the evil drones each episode....you know...like The Fugitive. Well, the USA does that to their own American citizens in Yemen. You know, the son of Al-Queda's #2 who dinned with officials at the Pentagon? Quote
cybercoma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Ummmm...so? There's a point to this statement? The point is that the LRA kidnaps (kidnapped?) children and used them as soldiers. We classified them as child soldiers. We've also done everything we could to stop it and help the children in any way we could. Your post said al-Qaeda is not an army, as if that even matters. It didn't matter for the terrorist LRA organization and it doesn't matter for al-Qaeda. The real criminals are the ones that used a child for their "war" against the West. If anybody, it's those sick adults that should have been locked up in Gitmo, not the child they brainwashed. Quote
Guest Manny Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 Why did Khadr receive a military tribunal? "Anthony Lake, the Executive Director of the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and former U.S. national security adviser, voiced opposition to the plan to prosecute Khadr by a tribunal. He said, "Anyone prosecuted for offences they allegedly committed as a child should be treated in accordance with international juvenile justice standards providing special protections. Omar Khadr should not be prosecuted by a tribunal that is neither equipped nor required to provide these protections and meet these standards." Radhika Coomaraswamy, the UN secretary-general's special representative for children and armed conflict, wrote in a 2010 letter to the U.S. military commission at Guantanamo Bay that Khadr represents the "classic child soldier narrative: recruited by unscrupulous groups to undertake actions at the bidding of adults to fight battles they barely understand." Coomaraswamy called for Khadr to be released into a rehabilitation program." This is probably why a lot of people are confused and upset about it. They should have simply prosecuted Omar Khadr according to legally accepted standards, that way they would be no major doubt. Instead they made a few (failed) attempts to indict him by methods that were protested by some of the top lawyers and legal experts. Those opinions got noticed by the general public. In doing so the authorities cast doubt on their own methods and motivation. THEY are in part responsible for what caused this problem. Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 In light of the above, it's pretty hypocritical of you to criticise others' outlandish comments. [ed.: +] It's outlandish to criticize slander and defamation? That's pretty ridiculous. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 22, 2012 Report Posted April 22, 2012 If he isn't considered a soldier, then obviously he wasn't a child soldier Sure and if he isn't considered a child, then obviously he wasn't. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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