Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

[DogOnPorch]

Meh...I still don't have any connection to the 'military industrial complex'.

[DogOnPorch]

bloodyrag: Again: I oppose terrorism. You support it so long as the "right" person is at the helm.

Edited July 10, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[Bonam]

Military-industrial complexes are obviously not something to be proud of.

I disagree, military industries and their associated research agencies tend to be the birthplaces of a significant amount of innovation, ingenuity, and new technology. Such technology often find applications in peaceful purposes and can be immensely useful. Consider for example GPS satellites (and anything space related in general since rocketry originated in military technology), or Polartec (and other) clothing fabrics, or the internet itself.

Besides the technological benefits and immense peaceful applications of technologies originally developed for the military, having a powerful military industrial complex is critical for a nation's ability to defend itself against potential aggressors. The ability to defend oneself is nothing to be ashamed of.

There is much to be proud of in having a large,innovative, and successful defense industry.

[Remiel]

There is much to be proud of in having a large,innovative, and successful defense industry.

I would not call it something to be necessarily proud of, though it certainly has its uses. At all times, however, it should be kept on a very short leash.

[DogOnPorch]

Hamas...Hezbollah...Omar Khadr and his ilk...al-Qaeda...Islamic Brotherhood...Iran...Islam4UK...etc, etc.

Nice fellows all...support them = I view you as a terrorist's pal and an anti-Semite. Armchair moral relevance like bloodyminded's and eyeball's opinions about how evil we in the West all are doesn't fly with me. It's like saying nice things about the Provos back in the day...awwwwww...they are just freedom fighters as they blow-up tourists with car bombs.

The little rat was with Canada's enemies...shoot him again. If y'all want to stand beside him...no worries from this end of the internet.

Oh, look...the animals have been busy...

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/09/pakistan-suicide-bombing.html

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/09/iran-widow-stoning.html

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/08/norway-terror-al-qaeda.html

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/08/baghdad-bombs008.html

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/08/british-bomb-plot008.html

But on the bright-side...the Iranians at least have backed down from stoning the widow accused of adultry (??? wtf ???)...throwing her from a cliff or hanging her from a crane should work fine enough.

Ka-bloody-Boom!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/10/pakistan-suicide-explosions.html

[bloodyminded]

Ka-bloody-Boom!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/10/pakistan-suicide-explosions.html

It's good that you've found someone here who agrees with your views, and who considers your distortions of other people's views to be sober and enlightening. Even if that cohort is yourself, it's better than nothing.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Military-industrial complexes are obviously not something to be proud of. What else explains why you klowns disavow any connection to them in such a knee-jerk fashion?

Bullshit...I am very proud of my "military industrial complex"...and your's too...it's so cute!

Buying more Boeing stock soon!

[jbg]

Ka-bloody-Boom!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/10/pakistan-suicide-explosions.html

It's good that you've found someone here who agrees with your views, and who considers your distortions of other people's views to be sober and enlightening. Even if that cohort is yourself, it's better than nothing.

BM, your dogmatic approach on this one shocks me. This kind of attack is horrific and senseless. If the target was tribal elders who want to talk to the Pakistani government or heaven forefend th Coalition let them assassiate the elders. Don't take close to 100 inncents with them.I don't know what moral system excuses this. See link.

[DogOnPorch]

It's good that you've found someone here who agrees with your views, and who considers your distortions of other people's views to be sober and enlightening. Even if that cohort is yourself, it's better than nothing.

Your chums are once again...busy...

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/07/10/afghanistan-saturday.html

Only 18 dead: try harder.

Edited July 11, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

bloodystool: Even if that cohort is yourself, it's better than nothing.

You have no friends...

[bloodyminded]

BM, your dogmatic approach on this one shocks me. This kind of attack is horrific and senseless. If the target was tribal elders who want to talk to the Pakistani government or heaven forefend th Coalition let them assassiate the elders. Don't take close to 100 inncents with them.I don't know what moral system excuses this. See link.

???

I wasn't refering to the incident...I was referring to our resident effete litle bully-troll and anti-semite, DogOnPorch.

Edited July 11, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Guest American Woman]

Eyeball is presumably stating that the medievalist theocrats whom we call "the northern Alliance," and pretend hilariously are totally distinct from the Taliban--are not substantively different from the stated enemies.

And we don't set our foreign policy by the Northern Alliance, either; which is the idea that I was posting about. We don't wonder 'will that upset the NA?' when setting foreign policy, and act accordingly, the way some think we should take al Qaeda's sensibilities into account.

[bloodyminded]

And we don't set our foreign policy by the Northern Alliance, either; which is the idea that I was posting about. We don't wonder 'will that upset the NA?' when setting foreign policy, and act accordingly, the way some think we should take al Qaeda's sensibilities into account.

OK, but I was only criticizing the notion that the NA, like some other allies we've taken on for one reason or another, are "the good guys."

That is, they're the "good guys" because they're allied with us.

Now that's funny.

Anyone who determines principle along the lines of patriotic moral relativism simply isn't serious, I'm afraid.

[DogOnPorch]

I doubt anyone here would find the members of the Northern Alliance much different than the average Taliban. Brutal like the rest of the folks in that country. Hacking off hands...stoning women. That our leadership struck a deal with them to share in the killing of the Taliban is neither here nor there as they'd kill each other anyways. Why not make some use of their own civil conflict? And indeed...that's exactly what the generals said and did. You wish to assign morality to war? OK...give it a go...just stand up in the trench and tell that machine gunner across the way he's commiting a moral injustice. Report back with the results.

[eyeball]

Why not make some use of their own civil conflict?

Because its such a heinous depraved thing to do.

Exploiting conflict has always been the worst aspect of colonialism. I feel like kicking the shit out of someone when I hear this sort of rationalization.

[DogOnPorch]

Because its such a heinous depraved thing to do.

Exploiting conflict has always been the worst aspect of colonialism. I feel like kicking the shit out of someone when I hear this sort of rationalization.

Stand-up straighter...the machine gunner across the way can't quite see you in your trench.

[bush_cheney2004]

Stand-up straighter...the machine gunner across the way can't quite see you in your trench.

[jbg]

Because its such a heinous depraved thing to do.

Exploiting conflict has always been the worst aspect of colonialism. I feel like kicking the shit out of someone when I hear this sort of rationalization.

Did you enjoy them kicking the s*** out of us on September 11? I didn't, living 40 Trudeau Units from the site of the blast. I'll for d@mned sure use one set of savages to bump off another set of savages.

[DogOnPorch]

Re: Vicker's MG

Nice oldie...troops would plop a tea bag into the water cooler box for a hot one during battle. He has a few good vids of oldies...the poster.

These French light MGs would be quite rare today, I imagine.

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg76-e.htm

Here's some grenades from the same era...impressive collection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUPF2AuyHJk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB9USZNzu0I

Ol' Omar, no doubt, would find uses for them.

[Army Guy]

Because its such a heinous depraved thing to do.

Exploiting conflict has always been the worst aspect of colonialism. I feel like kicking the shit out of someone when I hear this sort of rationalization.

Why is that ? So you can hold your head up high and sing to the world we as a nation have high morals and values....that we conducted ourselfs in a decent and civilized way.... And yet the very nature of conflict it self forces our nation, it's Government, it's people, it's soldiers to carry out everything that goes again'st those very morals, and values....You are asking us to carry out a heinous act and then want us to follow some code of conduct so that those aat home can say "we've carried out an honorable fight".....

A fight where it's ok to extingish life via every wpn the modern world has to offer....be it from slitting someones throat with a rusty baynet , or vaporizing someone at 2000 meters with a 25 mm cannon.... Because that is honorable ....but it pisses you off to no end when we take advantage of an internal conflict.....come on...are you that gullable to think anything about any conflict is honorable, in keeping with our values and morals.....

[eyeball]

Did you enjoy them kicking the s*** out of us on September 11? I didn't, living 40 Trudeau Units from the site of the blast. I'll for d@mned sure use one set of savages to bump off another set of savages.

The people you've been bumping off are thousands of TU's from where the savages that attacked you on 9/11 actually came from.

And no, I didn't enjoy it. I understand it but that's different.

[eyeball]

Why is that ? So you can hold your head up high and sing to the world we as a nation have high morals and values...

Actually I'd advise we keep our mouths shut our heads down and not draw a whole bunch of attention to ourselves.

[Army Guy]

Actually I'd advise we keep our mouths shut our heads down and not draw a whole bunch of attention to ourselves.

You mean when dealing with the outside world...because i find that alittle odd, coming from someone who does have an opinion and is not afraid to voice it....

[Guest American Woman]

You mean when dealing with the outside world...because i find that alittle odd, coming from someone who does have an opinion and is not afraid to voice it....

I can't understand that attitude when dealing with the outside world, either. I can't see trying to be invisible, never having an opinion regarding what's going on in the rest of the world, as a great survival tactic.

[Army Guy]

I can't understand that attitude when dealing with the outside world, either. I can't see trying to be invisible, never having an opinion regarding what's going on in the rest of the world, as a great survival tactic.

This is not eyeballs creed, he has expressed his opinions here very clearly, many of them having to do with the outside world....he wants to have it both ways, he wants to be able to express himself freely, but limit what our government says, or does....in other words words are just words, nothing more and he is afraid to back them up with direct action....