Hamas Calls for 'Extermination of Jews'

[scribblet]

No surprise here I suppose, but are they just extremist elements in Palestinian society - it doesn't seem so. According to a May 2003 Pew Global Attitudes Project opinion poll 80% of Pals. agreed with the statement: "The rights and needs of the Palestinian people cannot be taken care of as long as the State of Israel exists."

Hamas wants nothing to do with the road map to peace.

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/5/4/114321.shtml?s=ic

Hamas Calls for 'Extermination of Jews'

The Palestinian militant organization Hamas not only wants the elimination of the state of Israel, but also the extermination of the Jews, according to the group’s newspaper.

"The extermination of Jews is Allah’s will and is for the benefit of all humanity, according to an article in the Hamas paper Al-Risalah,” the Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) reports.

"The author of the article, Kan’an Ubayd, explains that the suicide operations carried out by Hamas are being committed solely to fulfill Allah’s wishes. Furthermore, Allah demanded this action, because ‘the extermination of the Jews is good for the inhabitants of the worlds.’”

-snip-

"Be certain that America is on its way to disappear. America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan. America is defeated and Israel is defeated . . . Allah, take hold of the Jews and their allies. Allah, take hold of the Americans and their allies . . . Allah, count them and kill them to the last one and don’t leave even one.”

© NewsMax 2007. All Rights Reserved.

[sharkman]

I suppose this is where Jew haters will scour the net, looking for any dirt they can find to hold up to this idiocy and claim,"See, the Jews are just as bad!" Which of course would justify nothing and totally miss the point.

Hamas is a disease of the brain, and those who are taught to hate while still wearing diapers have no chance.

[Guthrie]

Who is Kan´an Ubayd? and what is his function in Hamas?

Where is there a copy of his 'article'?

[scribblet]

http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_apr2007.htm don't know myself, only know about the references. Al-Risalah, April 23, 2007 I guess you would have to be able to read Arabic and maybe we don't have access to it:

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/mideastwire/index.php?id=255

Despite the more than 500 Arabic and Persian news outlets reporting stories from and about the Middle East, there is currently no affordable means for English speakers to gain access to much of this content. Mideastwire.com aims to close this gap by offering a daily email newsletter of concise, translated briefs from and about the Middle East.

[Guthrie]

http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_apr2007.htm don't know myself, only know about the references. Al-Risalah, April 23, 2007 I guess you would have to be able to read Arabic and maybe we don't have access to it:

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/mideastwire/index.php?id=255

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I don't see evidence that the guy exists, let alone that he speaks for Hamas or that he even wrote an article -- the only source offered shows a definite anti-Muslim bias -

I am sure that Hamas considers Israel an enemy - the rest seems questionable

[sharkman]

http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_apr2007.htm don't know myself, only know about the references. Al-Risalah, April 23, 2007 I guess you would have to be able to read Arabic and maybe we don't have access to it:

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/mideastwire/index.php?id=255

Despite the more than 500 Arabic and Persian news outlets reporting stories from and about the Middle East, there is currently no affordable means for English speakers to gain access to much of this content. Mideastwire.com aims to close this gap by offering a daily email newsletter of concise, translated briefs from and about the Middle East.

I don't see evidence that the guy exists, let alone that he speaks for Hamas or that he even wrote an article -- the only source offered shows a definite anti-Muslim bias -

I am sure that Hamas considers Israel an enemy - the rest seems questionable

Questionable? It's there in black and white. Besides, what's so hard to believe about it. The Iranian president has called for Israel's demise repeatedly, you can't believe that Hamas, whose actions prove they feel the same way, think alike?

[scribblet]

Why is it questionable, because it is too much to believe that someone would actually say that? Do you think they just made it up?

http://www.xignite.com/xWorldNews.aspx?art...P20061223748006

One of the proposals involved the promotion of Kan'an Ubayd from step C to step A1 and appointing him as the chair of the energy authority

so we know he exists.

Edited May 6, 2007 by scriblett

[Guthrie]

Why is it questionable, because it is too much to believe that someone would actually say that? Do you think they just made it up?

http://www.xignite.com/xWorldNews.aspx?art...P20061223748006

One of the proposals involved the promotion of Kan'an Ubayd from step C to step A1 and appointing him as the chair of the energy authority

so we know he exists.

yes, it appears that someone with that name exists --- in finding him, however, you're article makes it appear highly unlikely that he is the guy to determine Hamas policy toward an entire religion - 'Hamas,' doesn't seemed to have called for any extermination --

the claim is no more credible than saying Israel Calls for 'Extermination of Muslims' - http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Guilty_Lamb.htm

[scribblet]

I doubt that they would have simply made that up as they are open for scrutiny too. I think you and others simply refuse to believe the mind set of the radicals islamists.

[BC_chick]

Scribblett, there are people in the Middle-East who believe that Jews eat babies. They don't question the source of this information or the political motivations behind it, it's out there so they believe it. Don't be their equivalent, what Guthrie is saying is true about the source of your information.

If this person was really affiliated with Hamas, don't you think you would be able to find something about it in mainstream media as well?

[Guthrie]

I doubt that they would have simply made that up as they are open for scrutiny too. I think you and others simply refuse to believe the mind set of the radicals islamists.

How many radical islamists do you know? How can you claim to know their mindset?

they are open for scrutiny too

being open to scrutiny never stopped the Bush Administration from making up false stories or making false claims.

also, these guys you doubt would make something up; other than their being open to scrutiny (what scrutiny are they under btw) - what else do you know about them? have they credentials as journalists? are they linguists?

[scribblet]

Scribblett, there are people in the Middle-East who believe that Jews eat babies. They don't question the source of this information or the political motivations behind it, it's out there so they believe it. Don't be their equivalent, what Guthrie is saying is true about the source of your information.

If this person was really affiliated with Hamas, don't you think you would be able to find something about it in mainstream media as well?

The MSM doesn't report on a lot of what is what is said about Hamas and other terrorist groups, political correctness and all. I don't believe the PMW would actually make it up and they did give the source, which is an Arabic paper not available to all of us, and written in Arabic.

[B. Max]

The MSM doesn't report on a lot of what is what is said about Hamas and other terrorist groups, political correctness and all. I don't believe the PMW would actually make it up and they did give the source, which is an Arabic paper not available to all of us, and written in Arabic.

The MSM are in the business of cover up when it comes to the Islamic butchers and their plans. However they have no problem undermining the war effort against them.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

[Rue]

http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_apr2007.htm don't know myself, only know about the references. Al-Risalah, April 23, 2007 I guess you would have to be able to read Arabic and maybe we don't have access to it:

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/mideastwire/index.php?id=255

Despite the more than 500 Arabic and Persian news outlets reporting stories from and about the Middle East, there is currently no affordable means for English speakers to gain access to much of this content. Mideastwire.com aims to close this gap by offering a daily email newsletter of concise, translated briefs from and about the Middle East.

I share your frustration as I scan many papers and journals. It might interest you to know that one of the reasons intelligence reports are of such poor quality is precisely for the same reason. Not only that the attempt to translate original content from Arabic to English often misses valuable nuances.

when I do read translations into english of certain arabic articles, i appreciate nuances may have been missed. however what really frustrates me is what the arab world reads and what we read, are NOT the same thing. As well when PLO and Hamas speak to their people they say one thing, when they speak to the West they say another. To be able to understand that difference and how it plays out is difficult.

I wish I could read and understand arabic. when i read israeli newspapers and journals, of course I do not have this problem as there are many english and french israeli newspapers and journals, two languages i can get through.

most english wire services of arb media i am aware of coming out of the arab world are of course censored by the governments of the host countries.

i have had the fortune of having arabic speaking friends who help translate certain articles for me and explain nuances that would otherwise be missed.

[Catchme]

I doubt that they would have simply made that up as they are open for scrutiny too. I think you and others simply refuse to believe the mind set of the radicals islamists.

How many radical islamists do you know? How can you claim to know their mindset?

they are open for scrutiny too

being open to scrutiny never stopped the Bush Administration from making up false stories or making false claims.

also, these guys you doubt would make something up; other than their being open to scrutiny (what scrutiny are they under btw) - what else do you know about them? have they credentials as journalists? are they linguists?

Excellent points guthrie, the article, and the thread title are little more than unsubtle attempts to create feelings of fear and anxiety that may not need to be.

[scribblet]

If I were living in Israel I don't think there would be any doubt as to how much anxiety I would be feeling.

Rue: is there any chance that you could have access to the Hamas paper and get a translation?

[scribblet]

http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_apr2007.htm don't know myself, only know about the references. Al-Risalah, April 23, 2007 I guess you would have to be able to read Arabic and maybe we don't have access to it:

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/mideastwire/index.php?id=255

Despite the more than 500 Arabic and Persian news outlets reporting stories from and about the Middle East, there is currently no affordable means for English speakers to gain access to much of this content. Mideastwire.com aims to close this gap by offering a daily email newsletter of concise, translated briefs from and about the Middle East.

I don't see evidence that the guy exists, let alone that he speaks for Hamas or that he even wrote an article -- the only source offered shows a definite anti-Muslim bias -

I am sure that Hamas considers Israel an enemy - the rest seems questionable

More information on this guy: Kan´an Ubayd is the assistant director for the Ministry of Energy; member of the board of directors for the engineers association in Gaza; and, member of the Al-Khalas party which is affiliated with Hamas.

[Black Dog]

If I were living in Israel I don't think there would be any doubt as to how much anxiety I would be feeling.

Oh yeah: if I was in Israel, I'd be shaking in my boots. "Onoes! A bunch of untrained, poorly-armed and dirt-poor militants want to exterminate our people! If only we had, like, the largest, best equipped military in the region to protect us!"

[B. Max]

Hamas was created by Iran who also wants to get rid of Israel and the Jews. Hamas is responsible for the murder of thousands of Americans. With the all recent events it would be a good time to go in there and take them out.

[ScottSA]

If I were living in Israel I don't think there would be any doubt as to how much anxiety I would be feeling.

Oh yeah: if I was in Israel, I'd be shaking in my boots. "Onoes! A bunch of untrained, poorly-armed and dirt-poor militants want to exterminate our people! If only we had, like, the largest, best equipped military in the region to protect us!"

You don't know much about them, do you? They are trained by Iran in some of the most grueling training on the planet, they have the latest armaments that Syria and iran can supply them, and they were recently embarrassing the Lebanese government by passing out bundles of cash to the denizens of Beirutese rubble not very long ago at all. So, they are highly trained, well armed, and richer than Midas, which pretty roundly makes you wrong.

[betsy]

All I can say about all this: Israel has every right to defend itself.....however it sees fit!

Myths & Facts Online

Arab/Muslim Attitudes Toward Israel

By Mitchell G. Bard

________________________________________

The desire for peaceful relations between Jews and Arabs sometimes leads people to overlook public comments by Arab officials and media publications that are often incendiary and sometimes outright anti-Semitic.

Frequently, more moderate tones are adopted when speaking to Western audiences, but more accurate and heartfelt views are expressed in Arabic to the speaker’s constituents. The following is just a tiny sample of some of the remarks that have been made regarding Israel and the Jews. They are included here because they demonstrate the level of hostility and true beliefs of many Arabs and Muslims. Of course, not all Arabs and Muslims subscribe to these views, but the examples are not random, they are beliefs held by important officials and disseminated by major media. They are also included because one of the lessons of the Holocaust was that people of good will are often unwilling to believe that people who threaten evil will in fact carry out their malevolent intentions.

“There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world....Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation’s fury (while) any (Islamic leader) who recognizes the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world....As the Imam [Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini] said, Israel must be wiped off the map.”

— Speech by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Associated Press , October 26, 2005

“Our enemies ... don't understand that a suicide operation ... is a natural right.”

— Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal

Agence France Presse, May 3, 2006

“It is the Palestinian people's right to engage in resistance until the occupation ends. As long as the resistance is legitimate, everything related to it is also legitimate.”

— Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Sheikh Muhammad Ahmad Hussein

Media Line, October 5, 2006

“Oh warrior brothers, this is a nation that will never be broken, it is a revolution that will never be defeated. This is a nation that gives an example every day that is imitated across the world. We gave the world the children of the RPG [Rocket Propelled Grenades], we gave the world the children stone [-throwers], and we gave the world the male and female Martyrdom-Seekers [suicide bombers].”

— Secretary of Fatah in Gaza Ahmed Hales Abu Maher

PA TV, November 14, 2006

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...battitudes.html

[betsy]

“Our enemies ... don't understand that a suicide operation ... is a natural right.”

— Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal

Agence France Presse, May 3, 2006

Some people....don't understand that quest for survival is not only a natural right.....it is human nature.

Therefore I say, "Israel, you are well within your rights to do whatever it takes to survive!"

[scribblet]

Hamas was created by Iran who also wants to get rid of Israel and the Jews. Hamas is responsible for the murder of thousands of Americans. With the all recent events it would be a good time to go in there and take them out.

The problem with that is a chain of events, it could trigger something much bigger. The ME is so volatile and it could spread. I doubt most western countries including Canada would stand by Israel or the US if the worst happened. The only they will is if they are attacked themselves. Maybe if the recent threat of suicide bomber to Europe and here materializes it will shake them up.

[Black Dog]

You don't know much about them, do you? They are trained by Iran in some of the most grueling training on the planet, they have the latest armaments that Syria and iran can supply them, and they were recently embarrassing the Lebanese government by passing out bundles of cash to the denizens of Beirutese rubble not very long ago at all. So, they are highly trained, well armed, and richer than Midas, which pretty roundly makes you wrong.

Erm, no. Compared to Israel, they are poorly trained, poorly armed and dirt poor. The latest arms and deepest pockets of financial support for Hamas simply pales in comparison with what Israel can bring to bear, which makes the rhetoric by Hamas calling for the extermination of Israel the very definition of an empty threat.

[ScottSA]

You don't know much about them, do you? They are trained by Iran in some of the most grueling training on the planet, they have the latest armaments that Syria and iran can supply them, and they were recently embarrassing the Lebanese government by passing out bundles of cash to the denizens of Beirutese rubble not very long ago at all. So, they are highly trained, well armed, and richer than Midas, which pretty roundly makes you wrong.

Erm, no. Compared to Israel, they are poorly trained, poorly armed and dirt poor. The latest arms and deepest pockets of financial support for Hamas simply pales in comparison with what Israel can bring to bear, which makes the rhetoric by Hamas calling for the extermination of Israel the very definition of an empty threat.

What utter nonsense

Hezbollah's arms:

WASHINGTON The power and sophistication of the missile and rocket arsenal that Hezbollah has used in recent days has caught the United States and Israel off guard, and officials in both countries are just now learning the extent to which the militant group has succeeded in getting weapons from Iran and Syria

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/19/afr...0719missile.php

Hezbollah's training:

Hizballah was established by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards who came to Lebanon during the 1982 "Peace for Galilee" war, as part of the policy of exporting the Islamic revolution. It receives substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons, explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid from Iran and Syria.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...a/hizballah.htm

Hezbollah's money:

Iranian aid, estimated at up to $100 million per year, remains the bedrock of the Hezbollah's financing... illicit finance network in the Triple Frontier region of Paraguay, Argentina, and Brazil has brought in tens of millions of dollars since the late 1990s...Whereas Hezbollah derives revenue in Sierra Leone primarily through extortion of Lebanese merchants, in the Congo, which has been wracked by civil war since 1998, Hezbollah operatives "muscled their way into the business" and began purchasing diamonds directly from miners and local middlemen at a fraction of their market value.[6] The highest quality stones are sold in the Belgian diamond marketing hub of Antwerp, while the bulk are sold in emerging diamond markets where the organization can operate more freely, such as Bombay and Dubai.http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:5Rja6Z...clnk&cd=2&gl=ca

You're attempting to whitewash a well trained, well armed, and well financed terrorist group which thrives from fanaticism and breeds untold misery, and turn it into some romanticized ragtag army of resistence. These are not Spanish Republicans heroically fighting from mountaintop aeries against the forces of Nazi-backed darkness. These are 6th century thugs who would as soon slit your throat as listen to your pandering on their behalf.