benny Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Yeah... between Neuschwanstein Castle, the excellently run cities of Europe, the sheer beauty and incomparable glamor of Bern, Brussels, Milan etc, the art, the museums... and a good old north american home depot "cranada" porcelain toilet... you pick the crapper anyday right Dancer? riiight. no wonder you like diversity so much... Europe is also famous for its psychoanalysts. Quote
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 I really don't get the "log rolling" analogy. What does birling have to do with this? I wasn't aware that there were large swaths of the population who wanted polygamy, or even kirpans in schoolyards. I don't know what FGM is so I can't comment. Sharia too has only a few people advocating it. Relatively speaking. I still want you to explain the "looking/thinking alike" thing. You seem to be bouncing all over that one. Looking and thinking alike: means having a common origin, a common culture and way of looking at the world and a common future. What I mean is very similar to what John Jay said in the Federalist Papers of the US..... John Jay gave thanks that "Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs . . . ." Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Ah yes. Neuschwanstein castle. Built by a king who drowned "under mysterious circumstances". Even unfinished it's gorgeous, but climbing all the way up that hill to see it, then climbing up all those stairs to the top floor, one can't help but think of allthe poor peasants who worked so hard to bring such beauty to a few wealthy folk. Poor peasants? wealthiest in the world at the time but... whatever.. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
benny Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Looking and thinking alike: means having a common origin, a common culture and way of looking at the world and a common future. What I mean is very similar to what John Jay said in the Federalist Papers of the US..... John Jay gave thanks that "Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs . . . ." You seem very close to making the apology of incestuous relationships. Quote
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 You seem very close to making the apology of incestuous relationships. and you seem very close to making the apology of bestiality.... as long as we're just slinging outrageous and nonsensical ad hominems to defer attention away from a topic.... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lily Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Looking and thinking alike: means having a common origin, a common culture and way of looking at the world and a common future. What I mean is very similar to what John Jay said in the Federalist Papers of the US..... John Jay gave thanks that "Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs . . . ." Europe didn't even have that. Many of our immigrants left Europe to escape persecution because of their religious and/or political differences. As for language.... there's no such thing as "European". I realize you mean English... which all my immigrant friends also speak. Even the Chinese and SE Asian ones. Quote I'll rise, but I won't shine.
benny Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 as long as we're just slinging outrageous and nonsensical ad hominems to defer attention away from a topic.... You wrote: "descended from the same ancestors" and I reply "incestuous relationships". Quote
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 You wrote: "descended from the same ancestors" and I reply "incestuous relationships". again, this is simply slanderous nonsense to defer attention away from the topic at hand... you know it... I know it, so please... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 ....As for language.... there's no such thing as "European". I realize you mean English... which all my immigrant friends also speak. Even the Chinese and SE Asian ones. Furthermore, Europe is "browning" up faster than Canada.....so all is well....Canada will be like Europe! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 again, this is simply slanderous nonsense to defer attention away from the topic at hand... you know it... I know it, so please... It is not. Quote
jbg Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Immigrants do not teach us Canadians about Cervantes or the Ramayana or Lady Murasaki and it would be silly to think they did. Chinese coolies in Richmond do not arrive with a curator's knowledge of Ming ceramics and copies of the Tao-te Ching in their pockets. The one cultural artifact immigrants bring with them is their language--which increasingly becomes an bastardized farrago that would astonish their countrymen.I am not into political correctness but that statement is bigoted as it is offensive. To take your first example, many emigrant Spaniards are quite educated; that is why they leave countries such as Spain, that are past their "best before" dates for new, exciting and growing lands.My own ancestors, as well as myself, are Jewish. Our people have made their foods, such as bagels, and parts of their language (such as "oy vey") a part of the lexicon. Greeks have made Danforth Street a culinary delight. You let your bigotry get in the way of the facts. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 And the Nazi's were busy dominating the sciences, and making advances in all aspects of technology that the US could not even conceive of. The Nazi's also had zero unemployment, minimal crime, a very strong sense of community. Culturally, Germany was VASTLY, VASTLY richer then the United States at the time... Germany was making tremendous architectural leaps, just look at some of the work of the genius Albert Speer... and look at some of his maquettes, Just nauseating. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Furthermore, Europe is "browning" up faster than Canada.....so all is well....Canada will be like Europe! Funny how you seem to welcome the Islamization of Europe... Do you think it's a good thing that europe is "browning"? Do sharia courts, veiled women, muslim domestic terrorism, the curtailment of freedom of expression to appease muslim sadists, the pollution of our cultural spring ... are all these phenomena good? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Just nauseating. so is your "reply" such as it is. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Funny how you seem to welcome the Islamization of Europe... Do you think it's a good thing that europe is "browning"? Do sharia courts, veiled women, muslim domestic terrorism, the curtailment of freedom of expression to appease muslim sadists, the pollution of our cultural spring ... are all these phenomena good? Hey, I was living with the Fruit of Islam in the USA over 50 years ago. Where the hell have you been? And frankly, yes...it is entertaining to watch the remnants of "lily white" Canada squirm a bit. Edited July 14, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 And frankly, yes...it is entertaining to watch the remnants of "lily white" Canada squirm a bit. you welcome a dangerous and anti-human dogma/ideology to see white canadians concerned about Western Civilization and the growing attack on freedom "squirm a bit"? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 you welcome a dangerous and anti-human dogma/ideology to see white canadians concerned about Western Civilization and the growing attack on freedom "squirm a bit"? Sure...how do you think it got that way...change is good...and squirming white crackers are funny! What goes around comes around. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 ... are all these phenomena good? The real question you should be asking is " ...are these phenomena a product of my feverish and perhaps unstable imagination?" ...you know the correct answer. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 you welcome a dangerous and anti-human dogma/ideology to see white canadians concerned about Western Civilization and the growing attack on freedom "squirm a bit"? What makes you think you or your dogma is welcome? I would have thought the Second World War would have made that plain. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 What makes you think you or your dogma is welcome? I would have thought the Second World War would have made that plain. Krikey.....absolutely the biggest DUH! of all. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) you welcome a dangerous and anti-human dogma/ideology to see white canadians concerned about Western Civilization and the growing attack on freedom "squirm a bit"? You mean sort of like your dogma of racial hatred? It strikes me that your particular dogma has lead to far more deaths in the last century than Islam. Maybe we should look at throwing you out. Edited July 14, 2009 by ToadBrother Quote
Machjo Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 yes yes... "colored folk" what a cheeky misrepresentation. My ancestors come from historically disputed territory between France and Germany (Alsace), but I do trace back my ancestry to Germany... My point is that there use to be only two designations of Canadians, French Canadian, and Canadian- there was no room for hyphenated Canadians (save perhaps french canadians). It wasn't that we didn't want non French or English people on the land, it was just that we wanted people to be CANADIAN, as assimilated in that sense as possible. We understood that Religion, culture, and language can be sources of conflict EVEN if they do not reflect biological differences. So we tried to unify a culture as much as possible in order to have group cohesion and a sense of kinship (real kinship: not the artificial one of today). What we've done today is depart from that rational and tried method of statecraft (of aiming for group homogeneity and hence cohesiveness) and replaced it with the baseless assumption that we can multiply the sources of tensions in our society (i.e. by increasing "diversity") and be stronger for it. In other words we decided to dice our future on a whim that we can make a viable society by increasing the sources of log rolling weaknesses within it. Just look at the innumerable weaknesses diversity is already causing. Are you sure you're not confusing homogeneity with unity? They are two different things. In fact, a pre- and co-requisite of unity is diversity. A homogeneous culture soon divides itself. If a nation's memnbers are bilingual and bicultural, with at least one common language and culture among them, then the one common language and culture serves as the glue to bind the nation together, while the additional languages and cultures serve to access information from abroad so as to develop the nation. If a nation is just plain homogeneous, it may be that it has the advantage of a common language and culture, but how can it develop. Sooner or later it would stagnate, with its members turning to neighbouring cultures to access new knowledge. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
jbg Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 so is your "reply" such as it is. I guess you don't have the ability to answer the post before that one. My reaction to that post is that you know that the Nazis were revolting scum of the earth. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Machjo Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Europe is also famous for its psychoanalysts. And its world wars. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Bonam Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Are you sure you're not confusing homogeneity with unity? They are two different things. In fact, a pre- and co-requisite of unity is diversity. A homogeneous culture soon divides itself.If a nation's memnbers are bilingual and bicultural, with at least one common language and culture among them, then the one common language and culture serves as the glue to bind the nation together, while the additional languages and cultures serve to access information from abroad so as to develop the nation. If a nation is just plain homogeneous, it may be that it has the advantage of a common language and culture, but how can it develop. Sooner or later it would stagnate, with its members turning to neighbouring cultures to access new knowledge. Just to be clear, I disagree with the vast majority of lictor's points, but this particular refutation is nonsense. You don't need multiple official or widely spoken languages in a nation to "access information". Information can be and is translated, can exist in non-lingual form, and also in general the vast majority of all knowledge that has been created by humankind over the ages is presently available in English. Furthermore, knowledge and information is not static, it is not a fixed commodity that has to be obtained from foreign nations because we have ran out of it here. Rather, knowledge and information is created, through the pursuit of science, philosophy, art, etc. Quote
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