Muslims at U.N. bar bar Quebec gay activist

[Leafless]

" Canada has expressed alarm at the "pattern of discrimination" against homosexuals at the United Nations after a UN committee that vets the credentials of activist groups denied Quebec's leading gay and lesbian coalition access to the organization."

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...b7-ea137b28c3fe

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I really don't know why Canada should feel deeply dismayed over this, as most other countries don't hold the same homosexual values Canada does, besides the gay activist group only has observer status at the U.N.

[Black Dog]

Geez Leafless, get your head in the game: here's a golden opportunity to launch a broadside against inolerant Muslims and the "corrupt UN." But you're passing it up to bash the homos. Where are your priorities at?

[Shakeyhands]

[Leafless]

Geez Leafless, get your head in the game: here's a golden opportunity to launch a broadside against inolerant Muslims and the "corrupt UN." But you're passing it up to bash the homos. Where are your priorities at?

My order of priorities are based on PRINCIPLES.

One of of my base principles is the U.N. and its 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights' which is based on heterosexual lifestyles.

Unfortunately gays have been excluded from certain aspects from this declaration and for good reason as gays do not have sufficient acceptance from countries of the world to include them in the same fashion as heterosexuals.

Muslims are against the 'gay lifestyle' due to religious beliefs like so are many other countries and societies, but are not curtailed to voice an opinion, like for instance Canadians are.

Canadian citizens for instance have been denied the democratic right to an opinion on this (gay marriage or even the legal aspect of homosexuality) as the issue was decided by the courts and parliament rather than by Canadians.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Black Dog,

here's a golden opportunity to launch a broadside against inolerant Muslims and the "corrupt UN." But you're passing it up to bash the homos.

Sans doubte! It reminds me of an old M*A*S*H episode, where BJ Hunnicutt and Hawkeye decided to give Frank Burns a birthday present...by pretending to hate each other. You'd think Leafless would be pleased with this news, but I guess he has chosen to bash Canada for caring about the issue. Come to think of it, Leafless does remind me of Frank Burns...

[Black Dog]

Unfortunately gays have been excluded from certain aspects from this declaration and for good reason as gays do not have sufficient acceptance from countries of the world to include them in the same fashion as heterosexuals.

You say "unfortunately," which implies you disagree with the exclusion of gay rights in the UNDoHR, but then you say "with good reason" which implies that the lack of acceptance (to put it mildly) of homosexuals in many countires is justifiable. I'm then as to what your principles are here.

[Leafless]

Unfortunately gays have been excluded from certain aspects from this declaration and for good reason as gays do not have sufficient acceptance from countries of the world to include them in the same fashion as heterosexuals.

You say "unfortunately," which implies you disagree with the exclusion of gay rights in the UNDoHR, but then you say "with good reason" which implies that the lack of acceptance (to put it mildly) of homosexuals in many countires is justifiable. I'm then as to what your principles are here.

"Unfortunately" for gays is what was intended to be implied and not relating to my personal concerns on the issue..

In this particular instance my principles are formed by the acceptance pertaining to this issue by the majority of Canadians concerning homosexuality and gay marriage.

Of course this never happened in Canada and Canadians were denied the right to vote on the matter in the way of a referendum or similar legal manner. Therefore I personally will remain biased as a matter of principle, against homosexuals and the homosexual lifestyle.

[guyser]

In this particular instance my principles are formed by the acceptance pertaining to this issue by the majority of Canadians concerning homosexuality and gay marriage.

So...what you are saying is that the majority of Canadians are accepting of Gays and gay marriage.

[Leafless]

In this particular instance my principles are formed by the acceptance pertaining to this issue by the majority of Canadians concerning homosexuality and gay marriage.

So...what you are saying is that the majority of Canadians are accepting of Gays and gay marriage.

No.

The legality of homosexuality or gay marriage was never determined by referendum, by Canadian citizens.

So because of this, I prefer to remain biased against homosexuals and their lifestyles.

Only if the majority of Canadians voted in favour of homosexuality would I be more likely to accept that type of behavior. This is what I feel the minimum requirement would be in order to form 'personal principles' in this particular instance.

[August1991]

Geez Leafless, get your head in the game: here's a golden opportunity to launch a broadside against inolerant Muslims and the "corrupt UN." But you're passing it up to bash the homos. Where are your priorities at?

If only to point out hypocrisy in the world, there are two forces that would have to be invented if they didn't exist already: BD and Islam.

[newbie]

In this particular instance my principles are formed by the acceptance pertaining to this issue by the majority of Canadians concerning homosexuality and gay marriage.

Of course this never happened in Canada and Canadians were denied the right to vote on the matter in the way of a referendum or similar legal manner. .

You can't have a referendum on every contentious issue. That's why we have MP's.

[Leafless]

In this particular instance my principles are formed by the acceptance pertaining to this issue by the majority of Canadians concerning homosexuality and gay marriage.

Of course this never happened in Canada and Canadians were denied the right to vote on the matter in the way of a referendum or similar legal manner. .

You can't have a referendum on every contentious issue. That's why we have MP's.

I thought the reason for MP's was to represent the concerns of Canadians in parliament.

Don't you think any issue of importance that in the end and winds up being constitutionilized, should be the buisness and responsibility of the citizens of Canada?

[Rue]

The legality of homosexuality or gay marriage was never determined by referendum, by Canadian citizens.

So because of this, I prefer to remain biased against homosexuals and their lifestyles.

Only if the majority of Canadians voted in favour of homosexuality would I be more likely to accept that type of behavior. This is what I feel the minimum requirement would be in order to form 'personal principles' in this particular instance.

Well may I say you have proven wihout a doubt what a putz you are. You need a referendum to tell you discriminating against people and hating them for being different is wrong? Good grief. If you can't see how ridiculous such a statement is, no referendum can help you.

[jbg]

" Canada has expressed alarm at the "pattern of discrimination" against homosexuals at the United Nations after a UN committee that vets the credentials of activist groups denied Quebec's leading gay and lesbian coalition access to the organization."

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...b7-ea137b28c3fe

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I really don't know why Canada should feel deeply dismayed over this, as most other countries don't hold the same homosexual values Canada does, besides the gay activist group only has observer status at the U.N.

Geez Leafless, get your head in the game: here's a golden opportunity to launch a broadside against inolerant Muslims and the "corrupt UN." But you're passing it up to bash the homos. Where are your priorities at?

Great way to illustrate the Left's hypocrisy. Do they love gays more, or Muslims who hate the West and our freedom more?

[Black Dog]

Great way to illustrate the Left's hypocrisy. Do they love gays more, or Muslims who hate the West and our freedom more?

Ah, the "leftist" facade slips again.

Leafy:

The legality of homosexuality or gay marriage was never determined by referendum, by Canadian citizens.

So because of this, I prefer to remain biased against homosexuals and their lifestyles.

Just out of curiosity, if SSM had been put to a vote and approved by a majority, would that mean you'd no longer be homophobic?

[scribblet]

Great way to illustrate the Left's hypocrisy. Do they love gays more, or Muslims who hate the West and our freedom more?

Quite a catch 22 isn't it, especially if the Muslim population in Canada (and the rest of the western world) grows and becomes more vocal. A similar Swedish group was also denied status.

Jewish groups have the same problem, their applications are usually deferred or rejected

[BC_chick]

My order of priorities are based on PRINCIPLES.

Muslims are against the 'gay lifestyle' due to religious beliefs like so are many other countries and societies, but are not curtailed to voice an opinion, like for instance Canadians are.

Similarities between conservatives and Muslims don't end there.....

[scribblet]

My order of priorities are based on PRINCIPLES.

Muslims are against the 'gay lifestyle' due to religious beliefs like so are many other countries and societies, but are not curtailed to voice an opinion, like for instance Canadians are.

Similarities between conservatives and Muslims don't end there.....

Really, do enlighten me and btw, how many conservatives do you know ?

[Army Guy]

pass the mushrooms i think this is going to get good.

[BC_chick]

Really, do enlighten me and btw, how many conservatives do you know ?

To a lesser degree than Muslims, conservatives.....

- also accept "traditional" gender roles.

- also reject a woman having complete and unquestioned control over her body.

- also reject homosexuality.

- also hyper-emphasize the importance of a nuclear-family.

- also believe that foreigners are a threat to their way of life.

- also believe that war is the answer for most conflicts.

- also believe in catering to the nation's powerful.

- also reject a Charter of Human Rights and believe the marginalised do not need protection in the eyes of the law.

- also believe (many do anyway) in capital punishment.

- also do not believe in state-sponsored programs for the poor, preferring to leave it to religious and non-government organizations.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could go on if I wanted to think another 20 seconds about it, but you get the gist of it.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Really, do enlighten me and btw, how many conservatives do you know ?

To a lesser degree than Muslims, conservatives.....

- also accept "traditional" gender roles.

- also reject a woman having complete and unquestioned control over her body.

- also reject homosexuality.

- also hyper-emphasize the importance of a nuclear-family.

- also believe that foreigners are a threat to their way of life.

- also believe that war is the answer for most conflicts.

- also believe in catering to the nation's powerful.

- also reject a Charter of Human Rights and believe the marginalised do not need protection in the eyes of the law.

- also believe (many do anyway) in capital punishment.

- also do not believe in state-sponsored programs for the poor, preferring to leave it to religious and non-government organizations.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could go on if I wanted to think another 20 seconds about it, but you get the gist of it.

There is some merit there. BUT...conservative fanatics get pissed off. However, Muslim fanatics MEAN it.

Try a remake of Brokeback mountain, but make it about two AL Qaeda dudes. Then count the days before a violent attack on the studio / director / writer.

[BC_chick]

There is some merit there. BUT...conservative fanatics get pissed off. However, Muslim fanatics MEAN it.

Try a remake of Brokeback mountain, but make it about two AL Qaeda dudes. Then count the days before a violent attack on the studio / director / writer.

But that's because conservatives have been living in liberal nations for a the last few hundred years and are used to their words falling on deaf ears. In the beginning they did react to change with the same level of domestic terror and violence.

Look at the States, it's a whole other ballgame there where the conservatives run the shots. It is more like a Muslim nation than any other western nation on earth...

[jbg]

Similarities between conservatives and Muslims don't end there.....

Really, do enlighten me and btw, how many conservatives do you know ?

BC, how many Muslims do you know?

[Army Guy]

BC chick:

Perhaps you back up some of your wild claims with some crediable links. I'll take a few minutes a discliam a few of your pionts.

- also reject homosexuality. are you suggesting that all liberals except homosexuality or are you saying all Conv are homophob's

Homo's

- also believe that war is the answer for most conflicts.... well according to our history that includes the boar war, wwI and II korea,kosovo, afgan..How can you make that claim ,when there has been a liberal government at the helm for most of our nations conflicts. in fact there has been over twice as many liberal governments involved in conflicts than any other government in our history... So who is really the war mongers here...

also believe (many do anyway) in capital punishment....check out the vote count on bill C-68 to abolish capital punishment and you'll find alot of liberals voted to keep capital punishment as well....or were they really convs waiting to cross...

also believe in catering to the nation's powerful..... and past liberal schemes and boone dogles will support this 100% give me a break....

So pass me those mushrooms and lets make a list of liberal traits ....anyone...

[scribblet]

Really, do enlighten me and btw, how many conservatives do you know ?

To a lesser degree than Muslims, conservatives.....

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could go on if I wanted to think another 20 seconds about it, but you get the gist of it.

Wow, -guess you don't know too many conservatives and is interesting to know that you paint all conservatives with the same innacurate brush. Maybe you should meet a few and talk to them. Talk about hyper-emphasis and erroneous disinformation.

As with any group, some conservatives might have some of those feelings to some degree, but certainly not all. The same can be said for Liberals.

Sheez, pass me the mushrooms too...