Sen. Barak Obama considering a run for President ..

sharkman · January 21, 2007

You wouldn't believe me if I said it were so but please try Googling, 'turdblossom.'

Obama would make a good president and, at least in the Democratic primary, make an important challenge to Hillary.

2008 may be more exploratory and dry run for 2112 or 2116 - but then again, it may just be his time!!!

Its a long way to the nomination and a longer way to the white house. Hillary wants it pretty bad.

Guthrie · January 21, 2007

and I look forward to a political campaign among Democrats that addresses the issues America is now facing - a campaign that excludes the kind of turdblossom, black bag, criminal politics that John McCain and others faced when they ran against the Buschistas

August1991 · January 21, 2007

So, he smokes cigarettes, admits to having used cocaine and now this:

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?
This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

Insight

What has this guy done exactly? Or is he one of those people who are famous simply for being famous? The Paris Hilton of Washington.

bush_cheney2004 · January 21, 2007

Four years in Indonesia? Hell, John McCain has that beat...he spent more than five years in North Vietnam!

Obama's cool, but he will have to run the same political gauntlet as everyone else.

Obama bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#Early_life_and_career

sharkman · January 22, 2007

An analyst had this to say about Obama, Hillary and (yikes!) Al Gore, a black man and a woman with baggage may not be appetizing for an American public. Someone who's been around before, like Gore, could be an attractive alternative.

I say Gore's got baggage too,("I invented the internet) but what do I know.

August1991 · January 22, 2007

An analyst had this to say about Obama, Hillary and (yikes!) Al Gore, a black man and a woman with baggage may not be appetizing for an American public. Someone who's been around before, like Gore, could be an attractive alternative.

It's not the fact that his father was black that poses a problem for Obama. He's a first term senator (elected in 2004) who has accomplished nothing of note.

John F. Kennedy - the last Democratic senator to become president - was a war hero and had the formidable skills and money of his father behind him.

George McGovern - the last Democratic senator to be a presidential candidate - had a considerable reputation on which to run.

Here's the quote from the Wikipedia article:

Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (born in Alego, a village in Nyanza Province, Kenya,) and Ann Dunham (born in Wichita, Kansas).[5] His parents met while both were attending the East-West Center of the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was enrolled as a foreign student. When Obama was two years old, his parents separated and later divorced; his father went to Harvard to pursue PhD studies, eventually returning to Kenya.[6] His mother married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian foreign student, and they had one daughter. The family moved to Jakarta when Obama was six years old.[7] Four years later, Obama returned to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandparents.[8] He was enrolled in the fifth grade at Punahou School, a large, private college preparatory school in Honolulu,[9] which he attended through 12th grade, graduating in 1979.[10] His father died in a car accident in Kenya when Obama was 21 years old.[11] Obama's mother died of cancer a few months after the publication of his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father.[12]

No mention of an Indonesian madrassa (that will likely change soon) but I wonder how serious this is given that Obama was there between the ages of 6 to 10. It may say more about Hillary Clinton's campaign - she's in it to win.

bush_cheney2004 · January 22, 2007

George McGovern - the last Democratic senator to be a presidential candidate - had a considerable reputation on which to run.

True, but former senator and VP Fritz Mondale lost to Ronald Reagan in 1984. Former senator and VP Al Gore lost in 2000 (contested).

Historically, Senators have not faired well in US presidential elections. Governors have much more experience in the "executive" role.

BubberMiley · January 22, 2007

I say Gore's got baggage too,("I invented the internet) but what do I know.

Ian't believe you would pull out that stale bullshit once again. If his only baggage is that people like you deliberately, disingenously dismiss context to misrepresent something he actually didn't even say, then he has no baggage at all.

He said he helped create a legislative environment that facilitated the development of the Internet. If you can't tell the difference, nothing you say has any credibility.

bush_cheney2004 · January 22, 2007

Al Gore has plenty of baggage...notably just being himself.

August1991 · January 22, 2007

True, but former senator and VP Fritz Mondale lost to Ronald Reagan in 1984. Former senator and VP Al Gore lost in 2000 (contested).

So, once Obama has been Vice-President, then the Democrats can choose him as their candidate so that he can lose to a Republican.

BTW, has Hillary Clinton ever been elected to anything?

bush_cheney2004 · January 22, 2007

So, once Obama has been Vice-President, then the Democrats can choose him as their candidate so that he can lose to a Republican.
BTW, has Hillary Clinton ever been elected to anything?

Yes, that's why they call her Senator Hillary Clinton (NY).

sharkman · January 22, 2007

I say Gore's got baggage too,("I invented the internet) but what do I know.

Ian't believe you would pull out that stale bullshit once again. If his only baggage is that people like you deliberately, disingenously dismiss context to misrepresent something he actually didn't even say, then he has no baggage at all.

He said he helped create a legislative environment that facilitated the development of the Internet. If you can't tell the difference, nothing you say has any credibility.

Gore's actual utterance was, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Seems plain enough for me. But it seems a touchy subject for you, maybe you should avoid threads where Al Gore is discussed, because there's plenty more. He makes Bush Jr look like a genius at times:

Al Gore "Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

Just google Al Gore quotes for laughs.

jdobbin · January 22, 2007

Just google Al Gore quotes for laughs.

I do the same thing for George Bush.

bush_cheney2004 · January 22, 2007

Just google Al Gore quotes for laughs.

I do the same thing for George Bush.

August1991 · January 22, 2007

Yes, that's why they call her Senator Hillary Clinton (NY).

True, true. She was re-elected too.

I wasn't paying attention. But I think my idea was that she's another northern Senator that will go down to defeat.

blackascoal · January 22, 2007

An analyst had this to say about Obama, Hillary and (yikes!) Al Gore, a black man and a woman with baggage may not be appetizing for an American public. Someone who's been around before, like Gore, could be an attractive alternative.
It's not the fact that his father was black that poses a problem for Obama. He's a first term senator (elected in 2004) who has accomplished nothing of note.
John F. Kennedy - the last Democratic senator to become president - was a war hero and had the formidable skills and money of his father behind him.

George McGovern - the last Democratic senator to be a presidential candidate - had a considerable reputation on which to run.

It may say more about Hillary Clinton's campaign - she's in it to win.

There is quite bit you're missing in your perseption .. in my opinion.

First, George Bush has set such a low standard for president that I think all the talk of what qualified one to be president is moot. The presidency in 2008 will be, as it should, judged on intelligence, character, and ideas. The American people are sick to death of politicians, irrespective of their party affiliation.

The Iraq war is the priority issue in America today and Obama sits in a great position on that issue. All the others, with the exception of Gore, voted for it. Although he wasn't yet in the Senate, he still took, what is now known to be, the absolute correct position on it. A dumb and needless war. A sentiment shared by the American people.

If experience is such a factor in the wisdom of the way one would legislate, why didn't the others have the wisdom to recognize what Obama, 23 Senators, 133 Members of the House, and millions of other Americans knew at the time? .. That it was going to be a dumb and needless war and waste on hundreds of thousands of lives?

Exactly how much has this dumb and needless war cost America?

If the questions of credentials, qualification, experience, background, or character comes up .. all one need do is take a look at the failure in the White House right now .. and all your questions will be answered.

Call it karma.

blackascoal · January 22, 2007

It is indeed amusing listening to republicans talking about Gore and Clinton.

Talk radio must be a very powerful thing .. to some minds. It's amazing.

It's as if no one has noticed the absolute failure of the past 6 years. Just keep preaching the same "Gore invented the internet" mind-warp and no one will think about Bush.

It's amazing.

scribblet · January 22, 2007

An analyst had this to say about Obama, Hillary and (yikes!) Al Gore, a black man and a woman with baggage may not be appetizing for an American public. Someone who's been around before, like Gore, could be an attractive alternative....

I don't see the public being ready yet for either of them, although I do think Colin Powell would have had a good chance. Al Sharpton is talking about running again which means he'll likely take votes away from Obama. I don't think Edwards is a strong enough candidate either, maybe someone else will surface who can beat them both.

August1991 · January 22, 2007

First, George Bush has set such a low standard for president that I think all the talk of what qualified one to be president is moot. The presidency in 2008 will be, as it should, judged on intelligence, character, and ideas. The American people are sick to death of politicians, irrespective of their party affiliation....

This is where the Democrats typically go wrong. They insult many, many Americans who voted for Bush Jnr. In many cases, these Americans are precisely the people whom Democrats will need if they hope to win.

You don't win voters support by looking down on them.

By calling Bush Jnr stoopid, the Democrats appear superior and alienate many ordinary voters.

blackascoal · January 22, 2007

First, George Bush has set such a low standard for president that I think all the talk of what qualified one to be president is moot. The presidency in 2008 will be, as it should, judged on intelligence, character, and ideas. The American people are sick to death of politicians, irrespective of their party affiliation....

This is where the Democrats typically go wrong. They insult many, many Americans who voted for Bush Jnr. In many cases, these Americans are precisely the people whom Democrats will need if they hope to win.

You don't win voters support by looking down on them.

By calling Bush Jnr stoopid, the Democrats appear superior and alienate many ordinary voters.

First, I'm not a democrat. You'll have to ask them what they call Bush.

Secondly, what most Americans are is against the war, tired of republican rule, sick of politicians, and think the country is headed in the wrong direction. I'm absolutely sure that many of those who voted for Bush wish they hadn't.

I'm not here trying to win voters, I'm simply stating what I believe.

Additionally, perhaps you just somehow missed the vitriol and insults that have come from the right over these past years. How you assign insults to only the democrats is puzzling.

bush_cheney2004 · January 22, 2007

This is where the Democrats typically go wrong. They insult many, many Americans who voted for Bush Jnr. In many cases, these Americans are precisely the people whom Democrats will need if they hope to win.

Correct...this is where the Democrats usually self destruct as "elitists". Depending on voter turnout, which is never that great anyway (Gil Scott-Heron's "B movie" dissed Reagan's "mandate" for only having 26% of registered voters in 1980), their fragmented base will need to compromise. At the Democrat's convention, so many factions and issues make it seem like herding cats, from universal health care to same gender marriage. The Democrat's "big tent" politics is exactly that...a big circus. I expect another Howard Dean moment to close the show.

Guthrie · January 22, 2007

you guys just make stuff up and spew it out -- must be a lot easier than actually knowing what you're talking about

or am I wrong? can you actually back up this elitist, nonsense? show how it actually has worked in a historical setting --- no, I don't believe you can

blackascoal · January 22, 2007

An analyst had this to say about Obama, Hillary and (yikes!) Al Gore, a black man and a woman with baggage may not be appetizing for an American public. Someone who's been around before, like Gore, could be an attractive alternative....

I don't see the public being ready yet for either of them, although I do think Colin Powell would have had a good chance. Al Sharpton is talking about running again which means he'll likely take votes away from Obama. I don't think Edwards is a strong enough candidate either, maybe someone else will surface who can beat them both.

Powell has no chance of ever being president .. and he knew it.

Sharpton won't run, nor should he.

Obama's biggest threat is the DLC.

jdobbin · January 23, 2007

No mention of an Indonesian madrassa (that will likely change soon) but I wonder how serious this is given that Obama was there between the ages of 6 to 10. It may say more about Hillary Clinton's campaign - she's in it to win.

CNN on the madrassa:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/oba...assa/index.html

Canadian Blue · January 23, 2007

you guys just make stuff up and spew it out -- must be a lot easier than actually knowing what you're talking about

Wow, thanks, coming from you it mean's alot since you're posts have so much depth, and you always back up you're arguments. :rolleyes:

or am I wrong? can you actually back up this elitist, nonsense? show how it actually has worked in a historical setting --- no, I don't believe you can

What are you talking about?