betsy Posted October 7, 2006 Author Report Posted October 7, 2006 Shit... if it ever happens to you call the taxi's dispatch... tell them the cabbie won't give you a ride. They'll can his ass soon enough, after all, what are taxi's used for at night time but to cart drunks around?On a side note... when I first moved to Indonesia 6 years ago, me and my British housemate used to buy some beer and go ride the public buses to see where they went... nobody ever said a word about us drinking - in public - on a public bus - in a muslim country... good times... except for having to get off the bus every 20 minutes to piss. Good thing we didn't bring any BLT sandwiches though... Just proves what we have been saying in the other threads...which is being dismissed as a "fallacy"...that something is going on. This is not just about a normal request to respect religious rights. This is an ENFORCEMENT, and a gradual but steady orchestration to undermine our way of life. And they're being enboldened and encouraged by some of our very own....those bleedin' hearts...who think nothing more of handing out the western way of life...all in the name of appeasement! And I'm so touched by their concern for our men dying, fighting a war in a distant place to preserve and protect democracy. Counting body bags and all. Right now basically they're saying "big deal! So what?" See how quick they use it to turn the tables around...taking the heat from the real point in this discussion...and directing it instead to Christian religion. The shallow comparison to renting a hall to same-sex! Like as if refusing to rent a mosque is all they'll do to same-sex partners or any gay for that matter (marriage or not)....if we end up becoming a taliban nation. Darn the irony! As a Christian, I never thought I'd be arguing for the gays to have the freedom to be themselves! I wonder whom are they going to champion if the cab drivers start refusing gay passengers? I'd like to see it happen (just once)....only for the curiousity of seeing...how these people will try their balancing act navigating around it! Quote
betsy Posted October 7, 2006 Author Report Posted October 7, 2006 so do they check through peoples luggage? Just tell the guy you dont have booze, thats what I would do. He gets to think he is following his religious beliefs and I get my booze....win-win situation. How did you arrive to the conclusion that it's a Win-Win situation? Why do you have to lie? In your own country? And what if they started insisting on doing a luggage search? Just to make sure that no one is doing exactly what you just suggested? Body search? Who sez our democratic western system have to put up with it? You know what in my opinion is a win-win situation? Shipping those taxi drivers back to their Muslim country! Problem solved! End of conflict! Obviously...they're not happy here! Quote
Argus Posted October 7, 2006 Report Posted October 7, 2006 Not the same. They aren't refusing a person. They're refusing a beverage. Beverages have no rights. Do skirts have rights? If Muslim cabbies refuse to carry women unless they're wearing modest skirts, is that acceptable to you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Drea Posted October 7, 2006 Report Posted October 7, 2006 Why do religious freedoms (Christian, Islamic and others) always get priority over individual freedoms? As a person who doesn't believe in religions I dont understand this so maybe someone can explain it to me. Indeed. As a non-believer all this quibbling over religious freedoms has nothing to do with me. If I want to have booze in the cab (unopened of course -- duh) I will have booze in the cab. After all the reason I'm taking the cab is because it is illegal in this country to drive under the influence. Cab drivers should know this and accept it or don't drive a cab. If it's against your religion to be near booze, don't go into a bar, don't drive drunks home. If it's against your religion to have an abortion, don't have one. Easy innit? IMO religion should be kept at home and at church. It has no place in the public arena at all. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
sharkman Posted October 8, 2006 Report Posted October 8, 2006 Indeed. As a non-believer all this quibbling over religious freedoms has nothing to do with me. If I want to have booze in the cab (unopened of course -- duh) I will have booze in the cab. After all the reason I'm taking the cab is because it is illegal in this country to drive under the influence. Cab drivers should know this and accept it or don't drive a cab. If it's against your religion to be near booze, don't go into a bar, don't drive drunks home. If it's against your religion to have an abortion, don't have one. Easy innit? IMO religion should be kept at home and at church. It has no place in the public arena at all. I totally agree. If some religions feel that driving a cab will put them in a position that they may sin in, then don't be a cabbie. Quote
gc1765 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Airport passengers should voluntarily refuse to ride in taxis driven by those who want to enforce the ban...regardless whether they've got alcohol or not. Unless the public start doing their own little protest....it will only get worse. I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
betsy Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 Airport passengers should voluntarily refuse to ride in taxis driven by those who want to enforce the ban...regardless whether they've got alcohol or not. Unless the public start doing their own little protest....it will only get worse. I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. I have no problem with that. Because that's just plain common sense to me, don't you think so? Actually I've been saying all along.....those who do not agree or cannot abide with a church's doctrine or belief...should go somewhere else whose belief is compatible with theirs. You'd be doing us all a great favor, and it will prevent conflicts and headaches. Begone....please. I beg of you. Churches or mosques have the right to practice what they believe in their own churches and in their homes. Taxi cab drivers have no such rights to enforce their religion on the public...in a public street...driving a vehicle meant for public service. If you do not wish to transport anyone with alcohol in their possession, then the logical thing to do is what Drea had said: don't be a taxi cab driver! Is that too hard to understand for us Canadians? It is just plain common sense! Just the nerve of doing their own "legislation" in our society! Quote
Argus Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Airport passengers should voluntarily refuse to ride in taxis driven by those who want to enforce the ban...regardless whether they've got alcohol or not. Unless the public start doing their own little protest....it will only get worse. I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. People who believe in same-sex marriages don't GO to church. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Airport passengers should voluntarily refuse to ride in taxis driven by those who want to enforce the ban...regardless whether they've got alcohol or not. Unless the public start doing their own little protest....it will only get worse. I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. People who believe in same-sex marriages don't GO to church. Except of course those who do. http://www.mcctoronto.com/ Get Married Where the Fight For Same-Sex Marriage Rights Began! In the fall of 2000, MCC Toronto made a decision that the time was right for our church to take the next step in our pursuit of equal marriage rights in Canada. So, on January 14, 2001 Rev. Dr. Brent Hawkes performed the first legal same-sex wedding in Canada, marrying Kevin Bourassa and Joe Varnell, and Elaine Vautour and Anne Vautour in a double ceremony in our sanctuary. The near capacity church is about 75-80 gay and lesbian. Other Gay Friendly Churches..... http://www.ualberta.ca/~cbidwell/UFMCC/uf-home.htm] http://victoriaunitarian.ca/church/welcoming.php Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Drea Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 If the church accepts homosexuals as parishioners then they should also accept and perform their marriages ceremonies. It would be rather hypocritical if they didn't: "Great, thank you very much for the tithing but no, we won't marry you, you sinners!" Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 If the church accepts homosexuals as parishioners then they should also accept and perform their marriages ceremonies.It would be rather hypocritical if they didn't: "Great, thank you very much for the tithing but no, we won't marry you, you sinners!" Except many church going gays don't exactly tell Father Ted they prefer Taverns to Brasseries. The assumption is that all gays are outrageous in life and love....growing up, there were two women in the neighbourhood who everyone assumed they were spinster sisters. They went to mass and lived quietly. It was only when one died that the clues started emerging...no one suspected at all that they had been lovers for 30 years or more. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
gc1765 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 I have no problem with that. Because that's just plain common sense to me, don't you think so? Actually I've been saying all along.....those who do not agree or cannot abide with a church's doctrine or belief...should go somewhere else whose belief is compatible with theirs. You'd be doing us all a great favor, and it will prevent conflicts and headaches. Begone....please. I beg of you. Churches or mosques have the right to practice what they believe in their own churches and in their homes. Taxi cab drivers have no such rights to enforce their religion on the public...in a public street...driving a vehicle meant for public service. If you do not wish to transport anyone with alcohol in their possession, then the logical thing to do is what Drea had said: don't be a taxi cab driver! Is that too hard to understand for us Canadians? It is just plain common sense! Just the nerve of doing their own "legislation" in our society! Almost forgot, let's also boycott pharmacies where the pharmacists refuse to sell the morning after pill. Boycotts are an excellent way for anyone to help bring change. P.S. Why would you want to get rid of same-sex marriage supporters from your church? That's very unchristian of you. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
GostHacked Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Religion : Serious Buisness. Hands down discrimination and enforcing their beliefs on others. The cabbie should be fired stat. Or like poeple have said here, boycott the cabbies. And screw the friggen trip. Cabbies can refuse people - too drunk/rowdy - susicious behaviour - ?? - profit! There might be a disclaimer for what they can refuse and what are those guidelines, I doubt refusing booze is a valid argument. When in Rome ? Quote
Argus Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Airport passengers should voluntarily refuse to ride in taxis driven by those who want to enforce the ban...regardless whether they've got alcohol or not. Unless the public start doing their own little protest....it will only get worse. I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. People who believe in same-sex marriages don't GO to church. Except of course those who do. http://www.mcctoronto.com/ I meant a real church, like a Christian Church? What is this place? It sounds like a community drop-in centre, not a church. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Airport passengers should voluntarily refuse to ride in taxis driven by those who want to enforce the ban...regardless whether they've got alcohol or not. Unless the public start doing their own little protest....it will only get worse. I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. People who believe in same-sex marriages don't GO to church. Except of course those who do. http://www.mcctoronto.com/ I meant a real church, like a Christian Church? What is this place? It sounds like a community drop-in centre, not a church. Well I'm sure your opinion on what is and isn't a church evolves from some deep theological understanding of the christian tradition of "church" to include the "Agape" and the forms of communion and not because you talk from your arse..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Charles Anthony Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Suppose it was non-Muslim taxis refusing to carry Muslims? Would you the say "Just look for another cab. Why is this a big deal?"I would still say: just look for an other cab because I do not feel I am entitled to taxi service. Any taxi driver behaving in this fashion should simply lose his licence. If they have a problem with the culture around them they should not be operating a public service.Therein lies the problem: we treat taxi service as if it were a public service. It should not be a public service any more than buying from a lemonade stand should be. What's next? Suppose they start refusing to carry women who are, in their opinion, immodestly dressed? Would that be okay, too?Yes, that would be fine with me: it is their taxi, not mine. If you think what they're doing is right....then obviously you won't find anything wrong if a restaurant refuses to serve a Muslim...or a Black....based on whatever "religious belief" the owner of the establishment may have?Actually, I am fine with that too: it is not my restaurant. The Muslim cabdrivers are ENFORCING their beliefs on you. We Christians are only....preaching.No, they are not ENFORCING anything on anybody. It is their cab and they can run their business as they choose. If it is sooooo unreasonable, other non-Muslim cab-drivers can get up off their asses and work: the work that only Muslim cab-drivers are willing to do. Where do they get their say to refuse a particular beverage in a cab meant for public service? They can refuse it in their private homes or mosque.They can also refuse it in their car because it is their business. Where do people get their say to demand how Muslims should do their business? What gives them this special status? Why do they have this "bubble of immunity?"They are the only ones willing to do that job. I support the right of the taxi drivers to not drive booze, but the company is within its rights to demand that any new drivers they hire agree to carry booze in their cabs.I agree. Can the taxi company fire all of these Muslim drivers for refusing to carry alcohol? Yes. Is the taxi company able to easily replace the drivers??? If not, too bad. The drivers get their way. Shipping those taxi drivers back to their Muslim country! Problem solved! End of conflict!Ah! -- but who will drive the taxis? Hands down discrimination and enforcing their beliefs on others. The cabbie should be fired stat. Or like poeple have said here, boycott the cabbies. And screw the friggen trip.Exactly! Eventually, everybody will be without taxi service long enough and they will ask the Muslim drivers to come back. When in Rome ? Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
sharkman Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 The cab is not a temple or an object with religious value of any kind. We shouldn't have to boycott zealot cabbies that want to make it so. If you want to boycott a pharmacy or a church, it's a free country. Drea, just because a church accepts anyone into the congregation, it doesn't mean they condone the person's lifestyle. The church loves everyone and tries to correct and guide according to the doctrines that particular church champions. As far as tithing goes, only a small minority tithe. Some give a little and some give nothing. That's between the person and God I guess. There are a few churches that preach a pro-gay lifestyle. There is no scripture that approve of the gay lifestyle. Those churches are misleading their flock. A popular philosophy today is that no one is wrong in the choices they make or no one is to blame. To see some ministers accepting this is disappointing. But I' m not surprised. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 I know a restaurant in Rosedale...the owner may be a muslim, he's certainly darker than I....anyway, he refuses to serve people who won't wear shoes or shirts....... The Horror! Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
sharkman Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 I know a restaurant in Rosedale...the owner may be a muslim, he's certainly darker than I....anyway, he refuses to serve people who won't wear shoes or shirts.......The Horror! That's siimply community standards. If you don't like them perhaps you would prefer a place where the people don't wear clothes. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 I know a restaurant in Rosedale...the owner may be a Muslim, he's certainly darker than I....anyway, he refuses to serve people who won't wear shoes or shirts....... The Horror! That's simply community standards. If you don't like them perhaps you would prefer a place where the people don't where clothes. Exactly.....and a non alcoholic taxi may be the drivers community standards......he if won't compremise his values for money, he won't get my tip Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
sharkman Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 No, the community standards are standards that are common in the city this cabbie story is in. HE must conform to THEM. This is in St. Paul, and you can bet there they are okay with driving drinkers. These cabbies must also conform to company policy. If the company wishes to drive drunks home (one of the big reasons cabs are called) then these cabbies must do their jobs. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 No, the community standards are standards that are common in the city this cabbie story is in. HE must conform to THEM. This is in St. Paul, and you can bet there they are okay with driving drinkers. These cabbies must also conform to company policy. If the company wishes to drive drunks home (one of the big reasons cabs are called) then these cabbies must do their jobs. HE must conform to THEM Ahhh so you want to legislate community standards..... Now in most Canadian cities, the cab license is independent of the Dispatching company......so I don't know, if the driver owns the license and he wishes to abide by his conscience.....otherwise it is no different than forcing a justice of the peace to marry two men. Either way I don't give a shit. Anyone who doesn't want my trade welcome to starve. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
JerrySeinfeld Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Listen. Instead of all this ivory tower BS lets look at the big picture 50,000 - foot view of this situation. This is just another of many examples of Muslims grandually imposing more and more of their beliefs on the rest of us and expecting us to acquiesce. It's no different than the burger king chocolate ice cream swirl which is offensive because it "resembles the arabic symbol for Allah" and was pulled from the menu. It's no different than the inflatable sex-doll named "mustafa shag" which muslims demanded be pulled from sex-shops. (Kind of odd to for Muslims to actually be AGAINST blow up males ) It's no different than the Danish cartoons. It's no different than trying to tell the leader of the Catholic Church what he can and cannot say. It's just another example of a fiercely impreialist religion imposing it's beliefs upon others around the world. Quote
jbg Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 Airport passengers should voluntarily refuse to ride in taxis driven by those who want to enforce the ban...regardless whether they've got alcohol or not. Unless the public start doing their own little protest....it will only get worse. I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. A taxicab is a vital public utility, not a church. How would you feel about cabbies that refused to carry people of color? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 I agree. We should also boycott churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages. A taxicab is a vital public utility, not a church. How would you feel about cabbies that refused to carry people of color? I'd boycott them as well of course. Then again, I'm sure the charter would protect that from happening, so I don't think I have anything to worry about. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
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