Liberal & NDP want Hezbollah Recognized

[scribblet]

Well, are we surprised, some Liberals and dippers want Canada to take Hezbollah off the terrorist list....talk about useful idiots.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...a31&k=70860

BENT JBAIL, Lebanon - It would aid the cause of peace if Canada dropped Hezbollah from its list of banned terrorist organizations, two Canadian MPs on a fact-finding mission to Lebanon said yesterday.

When asked if he was in favour of Hezbollah being taken off the terror list, Etobicoke Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj said: "Yes, I would be."

He likened the situation in the Middle East to that of Northern Ireland, where "if there wasn't the possibility for London to negotiate with the IRA, you'd still have bombings."

"Hezbollah has a political wing. They have members of parliament. They have two Cabinet ministers. You want to encourage politicians in this military organization so that the centre of gravity shifts to them."

New Democrat Peggy Nash, who represents the Toronto riding of Parkdale-High Park, said her discussions in Lebanon had led her to believe "that it is just not helpful to label them a terrorist organization."

"If the political parties in Lebanon who may disagree with Hezbollah, and be opposed to them and their philosophy, can figure out a way to work with Hezbollah and try to get along internally, then perhaps we should take a cue from that."

Both MPs said they would bring that message back to their caucuses, and eventually to the House of Commons, when they return to Canada this week.

[August1991]

This is a case of "if Mohammed won't go to the mountain, the mountain will go to Mohammed".

The IRA never advocated the destruction of the UK.

Hassan Nasrallah: "There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel."

15 July 2006, The Age

[Leafless]

The National Council on Canada Arab Relations organized a delegation of a week long tour of Lebanon including Etobicoke Liberal MP Borys Wizesnewsky who said among other things when ask if he was in favour of Hezbollah being taken off the terror list he said: " Yes I would be."

New Democrat Peggy Nash who represents the riding of Parkdale-High Park, said her discussions in Lebanon led her to believe " that it is not helpful to label them a terrorist organization."

These responses are unacceptable as it was at the time Liberal leader Paul Martin who initially labelled and rightfully so Hezbollah a terrorist organization.

Where is and what has Bill Graham have to say about these presumabley anti-Liberal outburst concerning Hezbollah being labelled in Canada an ill-legal terrorist organization.???

And Bloc Quebec Maria Mourani was also a member of this delegation and when ask about her opinion, Ms. Mourani replied: " According to the government of Canada Hezbollah is a terrorist organization."

It seems the influx pertaining to the WRONG type of immigration and questionable Charter rights is steering Canada away from traditional western values IMO totally unsettling.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...bae&k=80710

[Army Guy]

I'm just curious what exactly were they on a fact tour for. Did we actually pay them to go over and find out if the Hezbullah is a terrorist organization , or was it something else. And when are they going to Israel. or did they run out of klenex and crying towels and have to come back.

[jdobbin]

I'm just curious what exactly were they on a fact tour for. Did we actually pay them to go over and find out if the Hezbullah is a terrorist organization , or was it something else. And when are they going to Israel. or did they run out of klenex and crying towels and have to come back.

They did not receive money from Parliament to go over.

[jdobbin]

Well, are we surprised, some Liberals and dippers want Canada to take Hezbollah off the terrorist list....talk about useful idiots.

Both MPs said they would bring that message back to their caucuses, and eventually to the House of Commons, when they return to Canada this week.

The Liberals re-affirmed that Hezbollah should be listed a terrorist organization. And the Liberal MP revised his statement as the National Post indicates.

[jdobbin]

Besides the ONUS is on the LIBERAL PARTY with HEZBOLLAH being a SECONDARY concern.

Bill Graham re-affirmed the Hezbollah should be listed a terrorist organization.

[watching&waiting]

These idiots just can not be seriuos about this. They must have been absent during this last war where it was the Hezbolla that was calling all the shots during it and also were the ones to repeatedly do the action that lead to the war to start with. They do not observe any human rights or freedoms, and they are openly calling for the genocide of the Israelli people. That pretty much makes them a terrorist group and to me that means they should be on that list for all time.

The Liberal and NDP must really be in trouble when they try to push this crap as a wedge, as not Canadian who reds the papers or listens to the news will ever be able to get the picture of the Hezbolla being a terrorist group out of their mines. The films of these guys fighting while wearing civillian clothing so they can hide in the groups of civillians, and attack at will, is what makes them terrorists. Otherwise they would form their own army and wear their own uniforms, just like every other army. Just this alone makes it easy to declare them terrorists. But I guess just like the corrupt liberals who think they can hide in the populatiuon and steal money from it, or the NDP who knows they will never form a government, so they promise everything they can, just to get votes, to them this is a normal way of life, so they can not see it as being the mark of terrorists.

[Hicksey]

BENT JBAIL, Lebanon - It would aid the cause of peace if Canada dropped Hezbollah from its list of banned terrorist organizations, two Canadian MPs on a fact-fabricating mission to Lebanon said yesterday.

If we were just nicer to the terrorists ...

Its good for a laugh if nothing else.

[Rue]

Well it wasn't too long ago Gilles Duceppes and Bloc Quebecois Members, Liberals and NDPers marched with people carrying Hezbollah flags and screaming out that Israel should be destroyed so why the surprise.

This is a classic example of the kinds of morons we elect to office. They have no awareness of what si going on so a lobbying group takes them to Lebanon shows them blown out apartments, tells them how evil Israel is and how the Hezbollah are only trying to defend Lebanon and presto they come back believing everything they are told. Of course they are sniveling, sheltered idiots who listen to what-ever they are told and do not think critically. Its fashionable to condemn Israel.

These MP's are whores. They want to pick up anti-American, anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli sentiment and use it to win over ethnics they think will vote for them if they condemn Israel.

There was a fat whore in Mississauga who has sinceleft the seen who made a specialty of stomping on George Bush dollars and pandering to her high Palestinian population by making anti-Israel statements every chance she got. Now she wants to be Mayor of Mississauga thinking these same voters will put her in after Hazel McCallion dies.

Its cynical politics at its worse.

What makes it repulsive is that these MP's have not bothered to read the Hezbollah Charter or take the time to find out what it stands for and how many innocent people it has killed.

These idiots think because it has a political wing if you suck up to it, they won't want to commit terrorist acts. This is idiocy to the extreme. These idiots think you can sit down with Hezbollah and make nice and act all gushy. I mean after all its only Israelis they hate and golly gee we all know Israelis er Jews are trouble makers anyways right?

Its putrid and its morally unacceptable and their political parties knew they went over on a paid lobby trip and would be turned into dupes and said and did nothing.

The Liberals and NDP walked into this because they are trying to get votes pure and simple and they think if they pander to anti-Israel voters it will win them the next election. They make me want to puke.

What truly angers me is that they can dare compare this terrorist group to Irgun and the Ira. Talk about not understanding history and comparing apples to oranges.

Irgun was a terrorist group and in spite of its terrorism, the majority of Jews fighting for an independent Israel denounced it and when it merged into the Israeli Army was required to denounce its ways and no one but no one in Israel has ever argued Irgun's actions were acceptable and anyone who suggests they are condoned or forgiven by Israel and justify Hezbollah haven't a clue about the majority of Jews who fought to obtain a free Israel and did NOT engage in attacks on innocent children.

As for the IRA it was a terrorist organization and the UK never capitulated until it gave in its weapons. More to the point the IRA simply said it wanted independence for Ireland. Like Irgun, it did not have a manifesto calling on the genocide of Jews, Christians or anyone else.

Neither Irgun or IRA had a manifesto calling for the extermination of a group of people as Hezbollah does.

Let us get something clear about Hezbollah, Hamas, Jihad, Amal and all the other terrorist groups. They are not interested in Western democracy, they are not interested in peaceful coexistence with Israel or Jews anywhere, and if any of you are stupid enough to think they only hate Israelis and Jews but won't harm Christians if we just leave them alone and let them kill Jews, I have news for you-they are laughing at the way you live and everything you take for granted in Canada. They are laughing at these idiot MP's the same way they laughed at that insane gay activist who went running to Iraq only to be kidnapped and requiring valiant soldiers put their lives on the line saving his sorry ass. Did anyone not tell him Muslim fundamentalists kill gays? They have no time of day for our Western values. Their hatred for Israel doesn't end there and sucking up to these people is absolute stupidity. I wish these MP's sit through and experience a terrorist attack. The only thing these sheltered idiot MP's understand is when there is a terrorist attack in their own neighbourhood. Then they are the first to run and hide and demand the police and army protect them.

This idiocy makes Canada a laughing stock and what it will do is fuel terrorists world wide into thinking they can manipulate us.

What did these idiot MP's think they were doing when we have soldiers in Afghanistan with their lives on the line fighting terrorists? How about they travel to Afghanistan and embrace Osama Ben Laden and the Taliban.

The fact is Irgun, Ira, Hezbollah, Hamas, Jihad, any of these groups are absolutely unacceptable. Violence and the killing of civilians as a means of political expression is not justified.

Until Hezbollah renounces its code of violence, renounces its Charter calling for the destruction of Israel and genocide of Jews world-wide it can under no circumstances be negotiated with. This is like saying we should sit down and listen to Clifford Olson and Charlie Manson and Paul Bernardo. These three are victims of society you know. Please lets help them.

Man there are days I am so ashamed to be Canadian. This is one of them. I will never until I die ever vote NDP or LIberal. That I swear on.

[jdobbin]

Man there are days I am so ashamed to be Canadian. This is one of them. I will never until I die ever vote NDP or LIberal. That I swear on.

So no matter what the Conservatives might do, you would never vote againt them? Or would you just choose another party if there was one running in your area?

[August1991]

Bill Graham re-affirmed the Hezbollah should be listed a terrorist organization.

Huh?

Not so simple, Dobbin. If anybody cares to notice, there's an ongoing civil war in the Liberal Party about this. Check out this link.

The Liberal Party is stronger without these violent Zionists in our party. I am glad for them to cease influencing our foreign policy so we are free to promote Canadian values of peace. It amazes me that this community is so absurdly selfish. The only issue that matters to them is the defence of a "state" that survives on the blood of innocent people. Shameful.

Wow! Above and beyond Martin vs. Chretien, the federal Liberals have some serious issues to resolve.

[jdobbin]

Huh?

Not so simple, Dobbin. If anybody cares to notice, there's an ongoing civil war in the Liberal Party about this.

There are many Conservative blogs out there that have wide ranging views on this as well. I haven't been paying attention to them so much as paying attention to what the position of the elected officials is.

And the official Conservative and Liberal position is that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. That hasn't changed.

[jbg]

The fact that there is even serious disagreement about this shows how far the West has gone to committing suicide. Luckily, Hitler saved the West from itself the last time around by going after....gasp.... a left-wing country, the USSR. Maybe tihs time we won't be so lucky.

The portents are not good. Back in the early 1970s most countries agreed that Al Fatah was a terrorist organization. Wings of them carried out the Lod Airport Massacre and the Olympic Massacre, both during 1972. The 1973 War gave them the opening wedges of respectability. Kissinger pretended not to negotiate with them, but apparently did on the sly. Arafat was welcomed at the UN in 1974. Why the US gave him safe passage from JFK Airport I will never know.

Things have gone downhill since then. The West's appeasement, symbolized by a smiling Yitzhak Rabin, Jimmy Carter, (err, Bill Clinton) and Yasir Arafat on the White House Lawn during 1993 gained us nothing. Every "deal" made with the "Palestinian Authority" was "celebrated" by so-called renegade "Hezbollah" or "Hamas" "fighters with some atrocity. Then, of course, Arafat led "his people" into the disaastrous Second Intifada starting in 2000.

Now, we're hearing that Hezbollah is a "negotiating partner" from Canadian MP's. Pure unadulterated barf material.

[Argus]

Bill Graham re-affirmed the Hezbollah should be listed a terrorist organization.

Huh?

Not so simple, Dobbin. If anybody cares to notice, there's an ongoing civil war in the Liberal Party about this. Check out this link.

The Liberal Party is stronger without these violent Zionists in our party. I am glad for them to cease influencing our foreign policy so we are free to promote Canadian values of peace. It amazes me that this community is so absurdly selfish. The only issue that matters to them is the defence of a "state" that survives on the blood of innocent people. Shameful.

Wow! Above and beyond Martin vs. Chretien, the federal Liberals have some serious issues to resolve.

And the person who wrote the above says the following further down:

I am a "real" Liberal. I am currently VP of Communications for the Young Liberals of Canada in BC. If you don't believe me, you can telephone me.

Warren Kinsella talks about it on his site, and puts out another quote from this person, identifed as Thomas Hubert, VP Young Liberals of BC ""One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. At one point, George Washington was considered a terrorist by the powers that be. History will remember Hezbollah as an organization that stood up to the most vile 'nation' in human history."

Israel is the most vile nation in human history? Boggle. Worse than Nazi Germany? Worse than Stalinist Russia? Worse than Ghenghis Khan??!

And people wonder why I think those who scream so loudly about Israel are either complete, blithering imbeciles or simply anti-semites.

[Argus]

I'm just curious what exactly were they on a fact tour for. Did we actually pay them to go over and find out if the Hezbullah is a terrorist organization , or was it something else. And when are they going to Israel. or did they run out of klenex and crying towels and have to come back.

They did not receive money from Parliament to go over.

Arabs paid for it, so they could condemn Israel.

[gc1765]

And people wonder why I think those who scream so loudly about Israel are either complete, blithering imbeciles or simply anti-semites.

I don't think it's anti-semitism in most cases. The people who hate Israel are usually the same people that hate the U.S. for whatever reasons.

[uOttawaMan]

Ooooooh 3 opposition MP's took a stand opposite to the goverments.. ooooh.

[jbg]

Ooooooh 3 opposition MP's took a stand opposite to the goverments.. ooooh.

This goes further than opposition. This borders on treason, and to more than just Canada.

[WestViking]

And people wonder why I think those who scream so loudly about Israel are either complete, blithering imbeciles or simply anti-semites.

I don't think it's anti-semitism in most cases. The people who hate Israel are usually the same people that hate the U.S. for whatever reasons.

Pure envy which quickly transforms into hatred. If you can't join 'em or beat 'em, hate 'em. Works for most leftists.

[Wilber]

Ooooooh 3 opposition MP's took a stand opposite to the goverments.. ooooh.

It's not who they took a stand against, it's the stand they took.

[jbg]

And people wonder why I think those who scream so loudly about Israel are either complete, blithering imbeciles or simply anti-semites.

I don't think it's anti-semitism in most cases. The people who hate Israel are usually the same people that hate the U.S. for whatever reasons.

Pure envy which quickly transforms into hatred. If you can't join 'em or beat 'em, hate 'em. Works for most leftists.

You mean to say these leftists and/or traitors want to join the US or Israel? I sure hope not.

[Hicksey]

And people wonder why I think those who scream so loudly about Israel are either complete, blithering imbeciles or simply anti-semites.

I don't think it's anti-semitism in most cases. The people who hate Israel are usually the same people that hate the U.S. for whatever reasons.

Pure envy which quickly transforms into hatred. If you can't join 'em or beat 'em, hate 'em. Works for most leftists.

You mean to say these leftists and/or traitors want to join the US or Israel? I sure hope not.

The only person left to support in this equation is a terrorist organization and you hope the Liberals will not support all the others. Liberals wonder why people equate their positions to supporting terrorism. I know that is probably not what you meant. I am just pointing out how easy it is people can espouse such things.

[Topaz]

Well, lets look at it this way....ALL countries are terrorists to some point, just some of better of hiding or calling it something else, than other countries!