CBC Viciously Attacks Bush

Charles Anthony · August 31, 2006

Anyway, the reason I lke public broadcasting is that I think it can provide things the free market won't.

Yeah, like The Beachcombers.

moderateamericain · September 1, 2006

CNN is my news network of choice, not to go on a rant here but i am so ashamed that somebody like Michael Moore was ever admitted to Michigan State U :unsure:

jdobbin · September 1, 2006

Two options presented are to keep CBC as it is, or 'throw it to the wolves of the free market'. How about another and better option? Turn the assets of the CBC over to a non-profit group of suppoprters, cancel all subsidies permanently, and you and your mates can do whatever you wish with it nd support it via subscription. Sound fair?

None of the options is suitable. If the CBC is to go, shut it down completely, get rid of Canadian content and ownership and let the U.S. own Canadian networks. No one in Canada supports any Canadian TV or radio.

newbie · September 1, 2006

CBC Viciously Attacks Bush: What a ridiculous statement. I saw the program in question and it was well worth my $.30 contribution that day. Albert Nerenberg's premise, from what I derived is despite our culture's extensive access to knowledge and information, humans continue to choose stupidity. Enter Geroge Bush. Now you can't tell me he isn't the U.S.'s d-----t President. I applaud the CBC for showing this independent film. For your 9 bucks or so a month, you'd be hard pressed to find anything else this entertaining.

geoffrey · September 3, 2006

CNN is my news network of choice, not to go on a rant here but i am so ashamed that somebody like Michael Moore was ever admitted to Michigan State U

CNN is actually ok. It's not referred to as the Clinton News Network for no reason, it is very democrat focused most of the time, but I can deal with it because it isn't overly so... and they bring in some conflicting viewpoints at times. I just began getting Fox News at home, and I watch it occasionally. I find it no more biased then CBC, in the opposite direction. Both are shameful excuses for news, but it's nice to see both polar opposite ends of an issue.

The difference between CNN and CBC... you'll never see a pro-conservative news magazine show on CBC. Maybe they should give me a show like the Hour, but I'll tell it from a conservative youth perspective? That'd be balanced.

CBC Viciously Attacks Bush: What a ridiculous statement. I saw the program in question and it was well worth my $.30 contribution that day. Albert Nerenberg's premise, from what I derived is despite our culture's extensive access to knowledge and information, humans continue to choose stupidity. Enter Geroge Bush. Now you can't tell me he isn't the U.S.'s d-----t President. I applaud the CBC for showing this independent film. For your 9 bucks or so a month, you'd be hard pressed to find anything else this entertaining.

It's not about money, it's about principles. I don't believe the government should be producing or funding the airing of propaganda. Ever.

PolyNewbie · September 5, 2006

If CBC is showing Bush as some kind of Machevellian Fascist Dictator seeking world domination for his puppet master central bank cohorts than I submit that their viewpoint is both unbiased and in tune with the rest of the world that isn't in the Coalition Of The Killing.

geoffrey · September 5, 2006

If CBC is showing Bush as some kind of Machevellian Fascist Dictator seeking world domination for his puppet master central bank cohorts than I submit that their viewpoint is both unbiased and in tune with the rest of the world that isn't in the Coalition Of The Killing.

Good to understand your position on the issue...

mcqueen625 · September 5, 2006

No mention that Michael Moore is just a university drop out (Bush even graduated!), and outside of his little circle of socialist buddies, considered a complete idiot.

Considering how many people went to Fahrenheit 9/11 and read his books, that's a multi-million person circle of friends.

No mention that Chomsky, a great intellectual in linguistics and messing with people's minds through words (his actual education is in this), is far less politically educated and experienced than Bush.

Messing with people's minds through words? Do you even know what linguistics is?

Chomsky commented that Bush had no knowledge of history... despite Bush being a history major and Chomsky not being a history major. If he refutes Bush's academic qualifications, at least do so being qualified!

Okay, let me guess. You're still a student. Because no grwon-up in the real world would consider somebody's "major" to be a primary qualification for discussion of an issue.

But for the CBC, this is enough, and they portray Bush as about dumb as can be, even having the producer of the document expressly say that Bush is "the lowest common denominator."

Bush portrays himself to be as dumb as can be. He doesn't need any help. He's even made it part of his schtick. Didn't you see him discuss foreign policy over dinner with Blair?

I was honestly shocked that this documentary was aired. Someone needs to lose their job and career over this. And the funding needs to be pulled immediately before any more Canadian government funds end up behind partisan idealogical propaganda films.

What's wrong with being partisan and ideological in a documentary? People are still allowed to express opinions, aren't they? You just can't handle it when you disagree with someone?

1) Why is open Canadian disrespect for others tolerated, but disrespect towards us so heavily criticised?

Because we live in a democracy where different ideas are openly discussed.

2) Is it democratically or morally permissive to have a state funded media outlet produce heavily biased propaganda works?

Everything is biased. How heavily it is biased or whether it is propaganda is totally subjective.

3) And mostly, why are Canadians so rude, or if we are not, why do we allow our tax dollar funded productions to be so rude? There is a proper way to discuss your differences in opinion, and this production, was far from that.?

Because we get mad when people start wars to make themselves wealthy.

As someone else has already said, if the CBC were not funded by the taxpayer's of this country they they could say whatever they like about Bush or anyone else, but they are funded by the taxpayers of this country and sooner or later they are going to make some slanderous statements and guess who is going to be footing the bill for the lawyers and any eventual cash settlement? We the taxpayers of Canada are the one's going to be on the hook, and I already pay more than my share of taxes while the rich in this country pay very little, therefore before one of these morons working for the CBC makes us all pay a dear price for their biased reporting, I think the Government of Canada needs to pull all funding and cut this over-rated bureaucracy loose. Even though we have changed governments to a more U.S. friendly one, we still have running the CBC, liberal appointed bureaucrats running this tax vaccuum.

newbie · September 6, 2006

We the taxpayers of Canada are the one's going to be on the hook, and I already pay more than my share of taxes while the rich in this country pay very little, therefore before one of these morons working for the CBC makes us all pay a dear price for their biased reporting, I think the Government of Canada needs to pull all funding and cut this over-rated bureaucracy loose.

I think I'd be more concerned about the millions we pay for abortions every year vs. a national television network. Just trying to keep things in perspective here.

geoffrey · September 6, 2006

I think I'd be more concerned about the millions we pay for abortions every year vs. a national television network. Just trying to keep things in perspective here.

Again, it's not about money, just principle.

fellowtraveller · September 6, 2006

I think I'd be more concerned about the millions we pay for abortions every year vs. a national television network. Just trying to keep things in perspective here.

Take up the issue of payment for abortion with your provincial government, since for once the federal govt has acknowledged that health issues are the constitutional responsibility of the provinces.

The CBC is funded by the feds.

PocketRocket · September 10, 2006

When do we step up and say enough is enough?

When Bush is gone perhaps??? :lol:

Chrissy1979 · September 12, 2006

But geoffrey, why do you need the example of a documentary you disagree with to justify eliminating the CBC? Every opinion piece is propaganda, so that loaded word proves nothing other than you like to abuse semantics to make an argument.

Your argument to rid Canada of a public broadcaster is diminished when you make your position based on one situation where you couldn't handle listening to an opinion different from your own.

gerryhatrick · September 14, 2006

I didn't see it geoffrey.

I read your complaint though and all I can say is: so what?

I mean, first of all I doubt there was any "misrepresentations of statements", rather just a presentation of them.

And considering that Chomsky and Moore are two examples of Bush critics, why the H wouldn't

they present them??? Did they endorse them?

This is a problem with the right....they see ANY depiction of opinion left of center as bias.

It's a bizarre and serious problem.

BubberMiley · September 14, 2006

This is a problem with the right....they see ANY depiction of opinion left of center as bias.
It's a bizarre and serious problem.

And any attempt at being considerate to people they don't like is "political correctness."

geoffrey · September 17, 2006

But geoffrey, why do you need the example of a documentary you disagree with to justify eliminating the CBC? Every opinion piece is propaganda, so that loaded word proves nothing other than you like to abuse semantics to make an argument.
Your argument to rid Canada of a public broadcaster is diminished when you make your position based on one situation where you couldn't handle listening to an opinion different from your own.

Chrissy,

I draw a distinction at a very critical line between propaganda and an opinion peice. When it's funded by a government, with political direction against a foreign government, I think that's objectionable. A private citizen (or corporation) can pretty much freely say as they wish without drawing too much complaint from me. When the government says something, it's a different matter.

I didn't see it geoffrey.
I read your complaint though and all I can say is: so what?

I mean, first of all I doubt there was any "misrepresentations of statements", rather just a presentation of them.

And considering that Chomsky and Moore are two examples of Bush critics, why the H wouldn't

they present them??? Did they endorse them?

This is a problem with the right....they see ANY depiction of opinion left of center as bias.

It's a bizarre and serious problem.

Again gerry, you'd be completely naive to think the CBC doesn't have a left bias. That being said, I personally don't care if TV channels have bias, that's what they are there for, to sell commericals and appeal to certain audiences. The CBC on the other hand, being an outlet of the government (government holding the purse-strings) has to be held to a higher standard. Government owned media shouldn't be in the opinion business. If the CBC presented Fox News type stories every night, I'd be equally opposed.

Higgly · September 17, 2006

No mention that Chomsky, a great intellectual in linguistics and messing with people's minds through words (his actual education is in this)

Oh man. I missed this thread. There is just so much rich material here.

So first of all, let's do talk about Chomsky. Messing with minds through words. Hmmmm.

Now why would we possibly want to hear from a linguist on the subject of world politics?

Messing with minds through words. Hmmmm...

Oh wait. Isn't that what politics is all about? Are you familiar with the spewings of Scott McLelland and Tzipi Livni? How about Comical Ali? Spiro Agnew? And then we have Tony Blair. And let's not forget Checkers! And who could forget Goebbels? ....

Hoo hah. Messing with peoples' minds through words. I love it.

Noam! Bring it on baby!

BubberMiley · September 19, 2006

I still don't get what lingustics has to do with messing with people's minds.

JAh-man · October 10, 2006

I still don't get what lingustics has to do with messing with people's minds.

Maybe he can actualy understand the side of the arguement from a perspective other than the english speaking north American point of view..

MLP · October 14, 2006

I don't care for Bush, but the CBC is beginning to look more like it's being run by angsty 14 year olds than respectable journalists.

I caught a brief segment last week about online companies that offer anonymizing services for the internet, and while showing the layout of one of the websites and how it works, they used "bushsucks" as an example username. The segment had absolutely nothing to do with politics and yet they couldn't resist throwing in a completely unrelated jab at him.

geoffrey · October 17, 2006

I still don't get what lingustics has to do with messing with people's minds.

Maybe he can actualy understand the side of the arguement from a perspective other than the english speaking north American point of view..

Yup, like an extremist Islamic terrorist type point of view? Personally I can't understand an argument from a position of someone hellbent on killing innocent people, but maybe Noam can?

ft.niagara · October 24, 2006

Personally I can't understand an argument from a position of someone hellbent on killing innocent people

The only people who are hellbent on killing innocent people are the islamists who started this. Everything follows with some logical thread from 911. To say otherwise is ..... At present time, the islamists are happily killing each other in Iraq. Too bad for them. The Americans are for the most part trying to prevent it, with no help coming from the rest of the world. An unstable middle east is no benefit to Israel, whose security is a benchmark of American AND Canadian foreign policy. And there is the hypocracy of the CBC, Canada is not YET Islamic.

jefferiah · October 24, 2006

CBC sucks. Lots of tax dollars fund lots of programs no one wants to watch. CBC radio is worse. Where do they get these people on there? Trying to sound all smooth and artsy, talking about "so i procured a joint of marijuana, tee hee, which i proceeded to smoke and then i slipped into the recesses of my mind while John Coltrane blipped his cosmic signals through my mind".....really and 100 bucks says these people never smoked a joint in their lives....not that marijuana use is anything to brag about....but regular joe pothead would not listen to this crap anyway

jdobbin · October 24, 2006

CBC sucks. Lots of tax dollars fund lots of programs no one wants to watch. CBC radio is worse. Where do they get these people on there? Trying to sound all smooth and artsy, talking about "so i procured a joint of marijuana, tee hee, which i proceeded to smoke and then i slipped into the recesses of my mind while John Coltrane blipped his cosmic signals through my mind".....really and 100 bucks says these people never smoked a joint in their lives....not that marijuana use is anything to brag about....but regular joe pothead would not listen to this crap anyway

Some think all Canadian TV and radio is crap and that all Canadian owned stations and content should be eliminated it favour of American networks and programming.

jefferiah · October 24, 2006

CBC sucks. Lots of tax dollars fund lots of programs no one wants to watch. CBC radio is worse. Where do they get these people on there? Trying to sound all smooth and artsy, talking about "so i procured a joint of marijuana, tee hee, which i proceeded to smoke and then i slipped into the recesses of my mind while John Coltrane blipped his cosmic signals through my mind".....really and 100 bucks says these people never smoked a joint in their lives....not that marijuana use is anything to brag about....but regular joe pothead would not listen to this crap anyway

oh yeah and theres george strombalopolous too....he seems like a nice enough fellow, but i dont know why we fund that program. and mitsou interviewing someone nobody knows or wants to know about