North Korean Missiles - Unreported Story from 2003

[Michael Hardner]

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This story came out in 2003, and was even picked up by AP but was not reported. A North Korean missile was apparently found in Alaska (!) in 2003.

No conspiracy here, just another dropped fly ball by the media, I guess...

[Johnny Utah]

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This story came out in 2003, and was even picked up by AP but was not reported. A North Korean missile was apparently found in Alaska (!) in 2003.

No conspiracy here, just another dropped fly ball by the media, I guess...

This happens in 2003 and the MSM is completely silent on this story. They have no problem reporting other stories concerning National Security why didn't they report this? This could be evidence North Korea was already testing a ICBM against the United States..

[gc1765]

According to a U.S. document, the last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska

So the U.S. knew about the missile and we didn't hear about it from george bush? Hmmm sounds a bit strange doesn't it? I doubt the credibility of this news report from the korea times. It's on the internet, why wouldn't the media pick up on it? It would be good for ratings and ratings = money, which just makes me doubt this story even more.

[Michael Hardner]

As I said, the story was picked up by AP so it can't be too far out there. It was also reported in other outlets as well.

I honestly think this was just missed.

[Riverwind]

As I said, the story was picked up by AP so it can't be too far out there. It was also reported in other outlets as well. I honestly think this was just missed.

News organizations pick up bogus stories all of the time. Why didn't it show up when missle defense was on the front pages? It would have been a slam dunk argument in favour of the program. I cannot believe that supporters of missle defense would have ignored this story if it had merit.

[Michael Hardner]

The other stories I saw at the time provided more detail. For example, 'Alaska' refers to an island off the mainline that is within the territory of the state.

I'll see if I can find more...

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Mr. Hardner,

The only other source of this info I have found, other than the original NK 'news story' was on some radical 'conspiracy theory' sites. I would rate this story up there with "The Mossad was behind 9/11".

A couple of links about NK's missile capability...(the first one might be the island in question...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/librar...00507-radar.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/...624-nkir269.htm

Their inventory...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/missile.htm

[Toro]

North Korea is starving.

That's why they are shouting at the top of their lungs that they are developing nuclear weapons, so they can extract food and dollars from the WEst.

[GostHacked]

Dear Mr. Hardner,

The only other source of this info I have found, other than the original NK 'news story' was on some radical 'conspiracy theory' sites. I would rate this story up there with "The Mossad was behind 9/11".

A couple of links about NK's missile capability...(the first one might be the island in question...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/librar...00507-radar.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/...624-nkir269.htm

Their inventory...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/missile.htm

Test firing a long range missle and it hit Alaska? Neat. So why was this not in the MSM?

Now countries are testing missles all the time. North Korea is no different. You also heard the U.S. is developing new nuclear weapons to replace their old stockpile, but there is no need to concern about that I guess.

And when they say North Korea has the ability to hit U.S. soil, I doubt they are talking about the mainland. More or less NK can reach a couple of the U.S. governed islands in the Pacific. It's all in the wording.

IMHV this is more realistic than the Mossad bringing down the Twin Towers. You can call me a conspiracy nut (from some of my other posts) but I really doubt the Mossad had anything to do with it.

[BHS]

Dear Mr. Hardner,

The only other source of this info I have found, other than the original NK 'news story' was on some radical 'conspiracy theory' sites. I would rate this story up there with "The Mossad was behind 9/11".

A couple of links about NK's missile capability...(the first one might be the island in question...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/librar...00507-radar.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/...624-nkir269.htm

Their inventory...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/missile.htm

Test firing a long range missle and it hit Alaska? Neat. So why was this not in the MSM?

Now countries are testing missles all the time. North Korea is no different. You also heard the U.S. is developing new nuclear weapons to replace their old stockpile, but there is no need to concern about that I guess.

And when they say North Korea has the ability to hit U.S. soil, I doubt they are talking about the mainland. More or less NK can reach a couple of the U.S. governed islands in the Pacific. It's all in the wording.

IMHV this is more realistic than the Mossad bringing down the Twin Towers. You can call me a conspiracy nut (from some of my other posts) but I really doubt the Mossad had anything to do with it.

I was listening to a download of Mark Steyn on the Hugh Hewitt show from last week, and part of the segment was about the push by some politicians to send in jets to destroy a site in NK where a missile is sitting ready to launch on a pad, right now. I don't have CNN or Fox any more and I haven't watched the regular news or read the papers for the last couple of days. Does anyone know what this is about?

[GostHacked]

BHS, I would like to hear some reports on that as well. Does not surprise me, but I doubt the U.S. would make the airstrikes public.

[Argus]

North Korea is starving.

That's why they are shouting at the top of their lungs that they are developing nuclear weapons, so they can extract food and dollars from the WEst.

Gee, ya think they might be able to grow food if they weren't supporting a huge, useless army and putting all their money and effort into building tanks, missiles and nuclear bombs?

Not to mention having huge parades for the Dear Leader every other day.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear BHS,

and part of the segment was about the push by some politicians to send in jets to destroy a site in NK where a missile is sitting ready to launch on a pad, right now. I don't have CNN or Fox any more and I haven't watched the regular news or read the papers for the last couple of days. Does anyone know what this is about?

I don't doubt that some politicians might utter such a cry, but such a move is highly unlikely. It is more likely (and has been hinted at) that the US would use it's (dubious) missile defence system to shoot down the missile should NK launch it. This would be far less provocative than a strike at a target on NK soil.

Further, there is speculation that the missile is likely intended to launch a sattelite, and not a warhead (from the second link in my above post)

Vice President Dick Cheney while down grading the launches threat made it clear on June 22nd, that the launch vehicle consists of three stages but what the payload is remains uncertain. It is however highly suspected to be a satellite not a warhead. This is highly consistent with the monitored SIGINT available as explained above.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Argus,

Gee, ya think they might be able to grow food if they weren't supporting a huge, useless army and putting all their money and effort into building tanks, missiles and nuclear bombs?

Not to mention having huge parades for the Dear Leader every other day.

Indeed, if North Koreans are actually starving to death in a totalitarian regime to fund Kim Jong-Il's military follies, the 'Dear Leader' should be the next one on the dock at The Hague.

[BHS]

I don't doubt that some politicians might utter such a cry, but such a move is highly unlikely. It is more likely (and has been hinted at) that the US would use it's (dubious) missile defence system to shoot down the missile should NK launch it. This would be far less provocative than a strike at a target on NK soil.

Further, there is speculation that the missile is likely intended to launch a sattelite, and not a warhead (from the second link in my above post)

You've more or less come to the same conclusion as Mark and Hugh, aside from the sattelite speculation. I don't know if that will make you happy or not.

[Michael Hardner]

Test firing a long range missle and it hit Alaska? Neat. So why was this not in the MSM?

Now countries are testing missles all the time. North Korea is no different. You also heard the U.S. is developing new nuclear weapons to replace their old stockpile, but there is no need to concern about that I guess.

And when they say North Korea has the ability to hit U.S. soil, I doubt they are talking about the mainland. More or less NK can reach a couple of the U.S. governed islands in the Pacific. It's all in the wording.

IMHV this is more realistic than the Mossad bringing down the Twin Towers. You can call me a conspiracy nut (from some of my other posts) but I really doubt the Mossad had anything to do with it.

I think you're right.

The story may or may not be true, but it was picked up by the AP when it happened, then disappeared. I hate conspiracy theories, but this seems like a much better candidate for one.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Mr. Hardner,

Since this story is in the news, I'll respond here rather than starting a new thread. North korea is threatening nuclear war and 'massive retaliation' should their missile test be scotched on the launchpad.

North Korea's sabre rattles...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/...0704-kcna01.htm

The 'news' has reported that they might be able to hit the western coast of North America.

A few questions....

Would now be the time to tell everybody that they already have (if it were true)?

Would the US supress the info because it would reveal that the US is virtually defenseless against a missile attack? (in the past, they relied on MAD)

Some serious questions...

How can NK claim it will launch a 'nuclear attack' and massive retaliation when they themselves don't even know if their missile will work?

They claim to have nukes, but no verification can be made. How can they be sure if they haven't tested one?

Why would the US not respond to such an overt threat when it didn't even get that from Iraq?

The logical answer is that NK is full of it.

[sharkman]

I guess my logic differs slightly in that aside from NK being full of it, if they do have nuclear weapons, in any serious provocation they would fire them not at the west coast of the U.S., but at the South Korean border, where thousands of U.S. soldiers are deployed. Then they'd probably try to take over South Korea.

They are a totally different animal with WMD and some in the media are suspicous they are only sabre rattling to get a better stance in any negotiations with the U.S., or to get the U.S. to come to the table with them directly as they have done with Iran. Personally, I believe they do have them. I certainly am no expert, but the way the UN and all of the countries involved are now behaving, I think they have received some kind of proof.

Of course, all of this would change if North Korea test fired this new longer range missle. Japan has already stated if such a missle was shot over their country, this would be an act of war.

[Kindred]

I would keep an eye on Japan and what is happening inside that country in terms of wanting to be seen as a major power in Asia. There has been some confrontation over natural resources found in the oceans, with China and now Korea - Japan strikes me as a bit of a sleeping tiger.

[Charles Anthony]

I believe that the choices are dismal now. The commercial Western world is under attack.

Japan has already stated if such a missle was shot over their country, this would be an act of war.

I think this is a profound statement on the part of Japan. It would be a horrible political mistake if they back-tracked upon it. In fact, it would be legitimate for Japan to act "pre-emptively" now. Japan is under serious threat.

In fact, I think that whether North Korea is bluffing or not, they should be called by all of the warring-types of the world.

[Kindred]

I do not believe North Korea has made any threat against Japan. I believe the statement was made about N Korea testing their missiles which were allegedly fired into the Sea of Japan which is off the Korean coast - which is kind of funny when you think that the US tests many of their missiles over Northern Canada over populated areas and it apparently isnt an issue for Canada -

[Rue]

When I was in Israel for a brief time I went to school At Hebew University of Jerusalem. I used to get five bucks an hour writing stories for journalists who never left the hotel bars. So I can tell you a lot of the stuff that went out over the wires particularly with Reuters or AP was sheer nonsense and fabricated. Then again I remember a film being shown on American t.v. of an apartment building in Beirut allegedly being blown apart in the civil war when in fact the film was much older and actually had nothing to do with the civil war but a controlled demolition blast! So me sorry, I do not think just because a story goes out on the wire services its genuine. In fact this missile in Alaska story smells of malicious disinformation.

As for that fat little putz in North Korea he needs a new hair-do. What a pathetic little psycho.