Carney yelling at Lib MPs, centralizing power

[Moonlight Graham]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:

"Several MPs told the Toronto Star this week that Carney has a penchant for lashing out [yelling] at caucus members, centralizing power, and ignoring their concerns."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-story-is-wrong-liberal-caucus-chair-defends-carney-amid-reports-of-yelling-at-mps/

 

[John Johnston]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:

"Several MPs told the Toronto Star this week that Carney has a penchant for lashing out [yelling] at caucus members, centralizing power, and ignoring their concerns."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-story-is-wrong-liberal-caucus-chair-defends-carney-amid-reports-of-yelling-at-mps/

 

Liberal Caucus Chair James Maloney is vehemently denying the prime minister has a caucus management problem, pushing back on reporting from this week citing unnamed Liberal MPs accusing Mark Carney of being dismissive of the concerns they were raising, and yelling.

Oh no! :)

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:

"Several MPs told the Toronto Star this week that Carney has a penchant for lashing out [yelling] at caucus members, centralizing power, and ignoring their concerns."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-story-is-wrong-liberal-caucus-chair-defends-carney-amid-reports-of-yelling-at-mps/

 

This isn't the first time this has come up. And there's been plenty of stories from his previous jobs too. You can kind of see it in him when he answers questions he doesn't like from reporters.

He's already lost a minister over it and Steve suggested there were as many as 14 others who were getting pretty fed up. 

Carney has never been in politics,  he doesn't understand politics and he thinks it's just like running a business where he's a dictator at the top.  Basically he thinks he's donald trump. 

That will create more and more fractures over time for him. Even chretien wound up getting the boot by his caucus

[BeaverFever]

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges.
 

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”.

When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and arguments because Carney always is”.  …interesting this something we heard specifically about Kamala Harris and Anita Anand BTW.

Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining  and will be treated as such. 
 

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. 
 

But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program” 

Edited 5 hours ago by BeaverFever

[John Johnston]

51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges.
 

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”.

When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and because Carney always is”.  …something we heard about Kamala Harris Anita Anand BTW.

Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining  and will be treated as such. 
 

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. 
 

But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program” 

Indeed. 

[Michael Hardner]

Not relevant even if true.

 

The main thing to realize is that the private personas of these leaders are generated through an expensive PR machine.

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

I don't know if the PM is a wooden, heartless, neoliberal puppet or not. He just plays one on TV. 

I don't know if the opposition leader is a smarmy, faux nerd, smart aleck.  He just plays one on TV. 

The other leaders are just the cards that you throw in when someone leads with the right bower.

That's a euchre reference for people outside Ontario.

Edited 6 hours ago by Michael Hardner

[John Johnston]

Can't have a Leader acting like a Leader. This will not do. Somebody might get their feelers hurt. 

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Can't have a Leader acting like a Leader. This will not do. Somebody might get their feelers hurt. 

The important thing is that everybody says good things about their team and bad things about the other team. 

Both Pierre and Mark have rankled their teams...

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, John Johnston said:

Liberal Caucus Chair James Maloney is vehemently denying the prime minister has a caucus management problem

That article is from The Star...

You're telling us that a reporter popped his head out of Carney's ass to make him look bad?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The important thing is that everybody says good things about their team and bad things about the other team. 

Both Pierre and Mark have rankled their teams...

This isn't a both sides issue.

Poilievre's support from inside the party is extremely strong, and he doesn't belittle and berate his MPs in order to stay on top: he leads by setting a very solid example.

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The important thing is that everybody says good things about their team and bad things about the other team. 

The Star's loyalty of the Liberals' team is legendary. 

The Star's criticisms of the Liberals' team is extremely rare. They have dodged the truth for years in support of the Liberals.

The fact of the matter is that right now they're not ahead of this story, or in time with it, they are just telling us now that the cat is already out of the bag.

Two MPs are resigning, Michael... People know about it. The Star can't just ignore everything that's happening. They have to at least tell the very minimum to maintain the illusion. 

Edited 3 hours ago by WestCanMan

[Legato]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges.
 

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”.

When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and arguments because Carney always is”.  …interesting this something we heard specifically about Kamala Harris and Anita Anand BTW.

Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining  and will be treated as such. 
 

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. 
 

But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program” 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace.

LOL no it is not'    It's EXACTLY about toxic workspace, which is a term others have used to describe his workspaces before as well. 

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He's very trumpesque by all reports.  It's not that he doesn't 'suffer fools', it's that it's his way or the highway. And those who disagree get shouted at or demeaned. 

Now, some bosses are just like that i guess.  But -  this is going to cause him problems. For people to be openly talking about it outside of caucus it's got to be pretty bad.