BeaverFever Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 Meanwhile: "I do not get up first thing in the morning thinking about the United States... I think about Canadians." -Mark Carney 1 1 Quote
robosmith Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Meanwhile: "I do not get up first thing in the morning thinking about the United States... I think about Canadians." -Mark Carney Well, duh. Everyone but MAGAt knows Trump only thinks about himself. Quote
Nationalist Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Meanwhile: "I do not get up first thing in the morning thinking about the United States... I think about Canadians." -Mark Carney Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Deluge Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 18 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Meanwhile: "I do not get up first thing in the morning thinking about the United States... I think about Canadians." -Mark Carney Carney's probably lying, but the thing with Trump is problematic. He's gotten much more interested in global shit than domestic - Bush Sr. had the same problem. Quote
robosmith Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 15 hours ago, Nationalist said: ^BUPKIS as USUAL. LMAO Quote
WestCanMan Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 (edited) On 5/21/2026 at 4:04 PM, BeaverFever said: Meanwhile: "I do not get up first thing in the morning thinking about the United States... I think about [HOW TO RIP OFF these stupid] Canadians." -Mark Carney FIFY Edited May 23 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 (edited) Beave, you lying m0r0n... That comment was quite clearly over your head. Trump was saying that "he's not concerned about how much the Iran war is costing Americans - when the other alternative is a nuclear-armed Iran". Get it? FYI by removing the question, and then omitting half the answer, you completely changed the meaning of his comment, you worthless POS. This is an adult topic, Beave. It's nuanced. It's complicated. It's based on a whole range of issues which are all over your head. You should just go back to talking about collusion, doofus. At least you were just belching Demi propaganda back then, not the more sinister IRGC/LPoC stuff. Edited May 23 by WestCanMan 1 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
BeaverFever Posted May 23 Author Report Posted May 23 Meanwhile back in reality, here’s the bigger context: Trump is ruining the lives of every day people around the world by creating multiple crises that he personally profits immensely from it all. And while he is enriching himself on obscene scale he admits that he doesn’t think about Americans finances, or of anyone Donald Trump cashes in on power, and investors pay the price Just before Donald Trump drops some bombshell news, a bunch of mysteriously well-timed bets are placed, paying off obscene amounts of money once the announcement lands. Suspicious trades have become a fixture of Mr. Trump’s major policy moves, whether they pertain to tariffs, the capture of former Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro or the war in Iran. It’s almost like someone knows exactly what Mr. Trump is going to say, and when. And now we have new details of Mr. Trump’s own investments. His accounts have executed thousands of stock trades this year alone, plenty of them coinciding with market-moving news initiated by Mr. Trump himself. It’s obvious Mr. Trump is leveraging the presidency for immense financial gain. His first year back in office was the most profitable of his life, bestowing US$3-billion in wealth on the family fortune, according to Forbes. Mr. Trump’s self-enrichment campaign comes at a cost to us all. It rips off those on the other side of those trades. And it undermines the fairness of the public markets. This is bad for anyone with a vested interest in U.S. stocks, which includes pretty much every Canadian. Our major public pension plans alone hold at least $300-billion worth of American equities. There are workplace pensions on top of that. Mutual funds. And the ranks of everyday investors who have piled into U.S. index funds. The cost is not strictly an abstract one. A little more than a year ago, Mr. Trump stood in the Rose Garden and happily pummelled the world with absurd tariffs. In the stock market freakout that followed, defined benefit pension plans in Canada saw their $18.4-billion surplus virtually wiped out in just two days, according to Aon’s pension risk tracker. Their funded ratio dropped to its lowest since June, 2023. A few days after that, some anonymous traders started betting heavily on U.S. stocks. For one fund that tracks the S&P 500 index, the number of contracts leapt to more than 10,000 a minute, up from the hundreds, according to a BBC report. ….In March, more than US$800-million worth of oil futures changed hands just minutes before Mr. Trump announced on Truth Social that strikes on Iran’s infrastructure would be postponed, according to the Wall Street Journal. Same thing a couple weeks ago, as detailed by the influential market commentator The Kobeissi Letter. In the early hours of May 6, someone bet nearly US$1-billion on crude oil shorts, which pay off if the price of oil drops. About an hour later, Axios reported that a deal to end the war in Iran was in the works. Oil prices quickly dove by 12 per cent, and those shorts netted a cool US$125-million. There are also problems with the investments that we know for sure are on the President’s behalf. A U.S. government filing released last week detailed roughly 3,500 stock trades in Mr. Trump’s investment accounts since he returned to office. Some of those trades have their own red flags: A purchase of Nvidia Corp. shares, one week before the U.S. government cleared the company to sell some of its AI chips to China, for example. Mr. Trump’s accounts also loaded up on Palantir Technologies Inc. shares just before he promoted the company on social media. …Meanwhile, the Trump family has gone on a business blitz around the world, parlaying the power of the presidency into lucrative deals with foreign governments – something Mr. Trump restrained in his first term. No more. “I found out that nobody cared, and I’m allowed to,” Mr. Trump told The New York Times in January. He’s right, presidents are exempted from federal financial conflicts-of-interest laws. He’ll walk away rich, and we’ll all be poorer for it. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/investing/markets/inside-the-market/article-donald-trump-stock-insider-trading-bets/P 1 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 23 Author Report Posted May 23 10 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Beave, you lying m0r0n... That comment was quite clearly over your head. Trump was saying that "he's not concerned about how much the Iran war is costing Americans - when the other alternative is a nuclear-armed Iran". Get it? FYI by removing the question, and then omitting half the answer, you completely changed the meaning of his comment, you worthless POS. This is an adult topic, Beave. It's nuanced. It's complicated. It's based on a whole range of issues which are all over your head. You should just go back to talking about collusion, doofus. At least you were just belching Demi propaganda back then, not the more sinister IRGC/LPoC stuff. No, dummy. Even if Trump’s BOGUS claims about a “nuclear armed Iran” were true, a responsible non-insane leader would still at least THINK about how it negatively impacts Americans and have some sort of program to help mitigate the harm. Especially since he is personally making BILLIONS off his own policies while everyone else suffers from them. But he admits he doesn’t even think about them. . Your usual mouth foam would quadruple if Carney ever said something like that. Your response once again confirms that you are not capable of adult discussion or complicated nuanced thought. That’s what happens when drop out of school and your brain stops developing in your early teens. 1 1 Quote
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Meanwhile back in reality, here’s the bigger context: Trump is ruining the lives of every day people around the world by creating multiple crises that he personally profits immensely from it all. And while he is enriching himself on obscene scale he admits that he doesn’t think about Americans finances, or of anyone Canada is ruining all our lives because you are not over there opening the Strait! Makes about as much sense as your absurdity here. Iran is the one to blame. 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 23 Author Report Posted May 23 1 hour ago, User said: Canada is ruining all our lives because you are not over there opening the Strait! Makes about as much sense as your absurdity here. Not at all 1 hour ago, User said: Iran is the one to blame. As Trump himself is fond of saying, “it takes two to tango”. I have not heard Trump say that if Iran opens the strait USA and Israel will go home, the war will be over and all will be forgotten, have you? Trump started this whole thing. If Trump had never attacked the strait would still be open. Closing the strait is the only card Iran has to play now, thanks to Trump. Quote
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Not at all Yes. You want to complain about how Irans actions are impacting you and the world... yet where is Canada to do anything about it? Don't worry, I am sure your unarmed Coast Guard and new shade trees on your military bases will help you! Go plant some trees in the Strait and send your Coast Guard. That will help! 11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: As Trump himself is fond of saying, “it takes two to tango”. I have not heard Trump say that if Iran opens the strait USA and Israel will go home, the war will be over and all will be forgotten, have you? Trump started this whole thing. If Trump had never attacked the strait would still be open. Closing the strait is the only card Iran has to play now, thanks to Trump. So, you legitimize Iran and give them a free pass because threatening the Strait was ALWAYS on the table for them to do for any reason they wanted. I guess they get to do whatever they want, fund terror proxies all they want, all because OMG, if we do anything to stop them, they will threaten the Strait! Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 23 Author Report Posted May 23 39 minutes ago, User said: Yes. You want to complain about how Irans actions are impacting you and the world... yet where is Canada to do anything about it? Not in the strait that’s for damn sure! Shedding Canadian blood just to bail Trump out of the quagmire he created that’s tanking his popularity would be the bigger error. Unlike short-sighted entitled and impatient Americans, Canadians can endure temporary hardship for the greater, long-term good. 42 minutes ago, User said: So, you legitimize Iran and give them a free pass because threatening the Strait was ALWAYS on the table for them to do for any reason they wanted. And yet they didn’t do it until Trump attacked them out of the blue, that’s not a coincidence. They never did it before because they didn’t want to get attacked. But since Trump attacked them there’s no reason for them not to do it. Iran never would have dared to play that card before. Now Trump backed them into a corner for his own vanity and now learned they can actually pull it off 44 minutes ago, User said: I guess they get to do whatever they want, fund terror proxies all they want, all because OMG, if we do anything to stop them, they will threaten the Strait! Wanting to change the longstanding status quo with Iran is one thing but clearly Trump has completely misjudged and mismanaged this at an epic scale. This is not the outcome he wanted or expected and now he’s stuck. He never would have attacked Iran in the first place if he knew it would end up like this. Out of sheer ARROGANCE AND CONTEMPT for his allies, he FAILED to consult with any of us even though we are all now affected by his poor unilateral choices, TOTAL INCOMPETENCE and failure to conduct even BASIC PLANNING. Now he’s begging us to rescue him and reward his GROSS NEGLIGENCE by joining his doomed mission and dying under his INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP. Not happening. Sorry, not sorry. 2 Quote
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Not in the strait that’s for damn sure! Shedding Canadian blood just to bail Trump out of the quagmire he created that’s tanking his popularity would be the bigger error. Unlike short-sighted entitled and impatient Americans, Canadians can endure temporary hardship for the greater, long-term good. Bail Trump out? You are crying about Iran closing the Strait. Go do something about it. 3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: And yet they didn’t do it until Trump attacked them out of the blue, that’s not a coincidence. They never did it before because they didn’t want to get attacked. But since Trump attacked them there’s no reason for them not to do it. Iran never would have dared to play that card before. Now Trump backed them into a corner for his own vanity and now learned they can actually pull it off "out of the blue" ROFL Yes, poor innocent Iran, just peacefully going about their existence and lives until big bad America attacked them. It was no mystery that they could pull it off. 6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Wanting to change the longstanding status quo with Iran is one thing but clearly Trump has completely misjudged and mismanaged this at an epic scale. This is not the outcome he wanted or expected and now he’s stuck. He never would have attacked Iran in the first place if he knew it would end up like this. You are just pulling shit out of your rear now. 6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Out of sheer ARROGANCE AND CONTEMPT for his allies, he FAILED to consult with any of us even though we are all now affected by his poor unilateral choices, TOTAL INCOMPETENCE and failure to conduct even BASIC PLANNING. Now he’s begging us to rescue him and reward his GROSS NEGLIGENCE by joining his doomed mission and dying under his INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP. Not happening. Sorry, not sorry. No, you are impacted by what Iran is doing. Stop crying about it and send over your Coast Guard to plant some trees! Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 23 Author Report Posted May 23 1 hour ago, User said: Bail Trump out? You are crying about Iran closing the Strait. Go do something about it. Nope. We are not rescuing Trump from his disaster. Americans can let him know in November if they’re ok with the fact that he doesn’t think about them. 1 hour ago, User said: out of the blue" ROFL Yes, poor innocent Iran, just peacefully going about their existence and lives until big bad America attacked them. It was no mystery that they could pull it off. Iran has been doing what they have been doing for decades for better or worse. That doesn’t mean it was ok or that we should tolerate it but it’s been the longstanding status quo Trump decided unilaterally that he was going to change that by attacking Iran and without consulting the American people or allies or forming any kind of coherent plan. It seems his people didn’t even do basic homework He massively failed Apparently It was a total surprise to the Trump administration that Iran could pull off closing the strait and the Iranians would have only HOPED they could pull it off. Now they KNOW. 1 hour ago, User said: No, you are impacted by what Iran is doing. Stop crying about it Nope. We will assign blame where it is due and we will not compound our problems by sending our forces in harm’s way under the command of the massively incompetent and corrupt Trump administration. We will endure while Trump twists in the wind. You know, Republican Mike Johnson had to pull a bill to end the Iran war from the House agenda because it was going to pass even though Republicans currently have a majority. ONE MAN in congress gets to set the House agenda as he pleases, and he has been preventing congress from holding Trump accountable since he took office, allowing Trump to rule like a king. That is all going to come back to bite you in November unless your election rigging and gerrymandering cheating pays off. I am sure the MAGAs are ready to repeat their 2020 election lies and steal attempts if they don’t like the results but the Republican party base is fracturing they are not going to have the same coalition of right wing kooks they have enjoyed in the past. 1 Quote
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Nope. We are not rescuing Trump from his disaster. Americans can let him know in November if they’re ok with the fact that he doesn’t think about them. Not his disaster... not even a disaster. You want to cry about Iran, go do something or plant some more shade trees to cry under. 53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Iran has been doing what they have been doing for decades for better or worse. That doesn’t mean it was ok or that we should tolerate it but it’s been the longstanding status quo Easy for you to say in Canada under your shade trees and unarmed Coast Guard ships... 53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Trump decided unilaterally that he was going to change that by attacking Iran and without consulting the American people or allies or forming any kind of coherent plan. It seems his people didn’t even do basic homework He massively failed We fought with Israel and the support of our allies in the region. All you want to do is cry about America and wallow in your Trump derangement syndrome while you cry under your shade trees and mooch off the defense of America. 55 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Apparently It was a total surprise to the Trump administration that Iran could pull off closing the strait and the Iranians would have only HOPED they could pull it off. Now they KNOW. How was that a surprise? How did they only hope? Enough of your baseless BS. Why don't you go back and admit you were wrong about the underground gas storage? Coward. 56 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Nope. We will assign blame where it is due and we will not compound our problems by sending our forces in harm’s way under the command of the massively incompetent and corrupt Trump administration. We will endure while Trump twists in the wind. No, you will give Iran a pass. For whatever reason you leftists have this affection for evil and the bad guys. If everything is so great, why are you here crying about it? Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 23 Author Report Posted May 23 5 minutes ago, User said: Not his disaster... not even a disaster. You want to cry about Iran, go do something or plant some more shade trees to cry under. Easy for you to say in Canada under your shade trees and unarmed Coast Guard ships... We fought with Israel and the support of our allies in the region. All you want to do is cry about America and wallow in your Trump derangement syndrome while you cry under your shade trees and mooch off the defense of America. How was that a surprise? How did they only hope? Enough of your baseless BS. Why don't you go back and admit you were wrong about the underground gas storage? Coward. No, you will give Iran a pass. For whatever reason you leftists have this affection for evil and the bad guys. If everything is so great, why are you here crying about it? Trump’s war is a disaster. It’s triggered a global economic crisis that he didn’t expect or plan for, even though anyone could have predicted it would happen. Period We have every right to criticize the deleterious global consequences of his staggering incompetence and malfeasance and refuse to join his folly and get our people killed under his incompetent command as that will only make things worse for us. Period When you see an incompetent fool make a disaster of something you might say “maybe I should join him and get caught up in the disaster myself!” But only because you’re a mindless MAGA bot who will follow your cult leader off the edge of cliff. . Besides Trump has made clear many times America doesn’t need anything from anyone and there’s nothing anyone can do that America can’t do by itself. Are you saying America is not capable of opening the strait on its own and needs our help? What could we possibly do that Trump can’t? 1 Quote
User Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Trump’s war is a disaster. It’s triggered a global economic crisis that he didn’t expect or plan for, even though anyone could have predicted it would happen. Period We have every right to criticize the deleterious global consequences of his staggering incompetence and malfeasance and refuse to join his folly and get our people killed under his incompetent command as that will only make things worse for us. Period When you see an incompetent fool make a disaster of something you might say “maybe I should join him and get caught up in the disaster myself!” But only because you’re a mindless MAGA bot who will follow your cult leader off the edge of cliff. . Besides Trump has made clear many times America doesn’t need anything from anyone and there’s nothing anyone can do that America can’t do by itself. Are you saying America is not capable of opening the strait on its own and needs our help? What could we possibly do that Trump can’t? What war? We are in a ceasefire now, and Iran continues to threaten the Strait. If you don't like it, just keep crying... What do you base saying none of this was planned for? I mean, yeah, sure, lets just assume that the Pentagon, full of people who do planning all day long all year long... never ever once considered any of this or had any plans... yeah! You are so obsessed with hating Trump you will do or say anything. You are so obsessed with scoring cheap points on this forum you will do or say anything, any lie, act like the pathetic coward you are. Trump or no Trump, Iran has held this over the worlds head and could have done it anytime they wanted to... then what? You gonna send them some shade trees? Quote
WestCanMan Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 On 5/23/2026 at 8:00 AM, BeaverFever said: No, dummy. Be real, Beave. At this point we both know that it's absurd for you to be calling me a dummy. Quote Even if Trump’s BOGUS claims about a “nuclear armed Iran” were true, If? Beave... Pretend that you were taking a course that you needed to pass in order to graduate, and your final assignment was to do a report about Iran's government. You had to describe every major aspect of their foreign and domestic policy, rate the country's various freedoms, atc... You'd have to admit that they have been plotting, funding, and openly advocating for actual genocide against Israel for almost 50 years now. Their MAIN goal is not the safety or advancement of the people, it's genocide against Jews. In fact, their goal for their own people is the exact opposite of advancement... It's for them to live like bugs, in support of religion. Their only goal for their people is that they're all islamic f-heads. That's it. They don't even care if they live or die, just as long as they spend ever second of their lives as muslims. Those a-holes gave the Houthis, a city-sized group of terrorists, ballistic missiles. What other group of people on this planet, with 200,000 people or less, has ballistic missiles? Does Windsor Ontario have them? Does Djibouti have them? Does Timmins have them? Does Iceland have them? Why the F do the Houthis have ballistis missiles? As a people, the goal of the Houthis is just to kill people. That's their only goal. Iran gives Hamas and Hezbollah hundreds of thousands of missiles, just to shoot at Jewish citizens, in an eventual genocide. They want nukes, so that they can destroy Israel. And they've completely hijacked the tiny minds of Canadians who think that they're humanitarians. Yeah, Gaetan and eyeball think of themselves as humanitarians, and as such, they feel like a genocide against Jews is necessary. Wrap your head around that festering pile of shit if you can... The Iranian gov't employs snipers to use on freedom protesters. Was the Iranian gov't intent on getting nukes, Beave? Were they? Was their wall of ballistic missiles, drones, anti-air defences, attack boats, and all their highly armed proxies in place just to protect their nuclear program? Just remember, a critical component of the JCPOA was 'adhering to the restrictions on their ballistic missile program' and they started violating that like mohammed on an 8-yr-old girl on day 1. They were building and advancing BMs this whole time. And their drones. They were coming to a point where they were unassailable... then what, Beave? If you have to tell the truth about all of those things above, or at least admit it all to yourself, what conclusion do you come to Beave? Maybe Obama did his level best when he got the JCPOA signed, Beave. Maybe the US didn't have sufficient reason to attack Iran back then, maybe it would have backfired. But the fact of the matter is that, after all these years and all these different presidencies, Iran got to the point where they were on the verge of having nuclear weapons. Think of that as an event horizon for the planet earth. We were coming to a precipice where the next inevitable step was cities full of humans once again being subjected to nuclear blasts. Whole neighbourhoods and cultures being wiped out under mushroom clouds. And you're whining about paying a few extra bucks for a tank of gas to prevent that from happening? Buddy, we've been paying and extra $20-40 a tank for 11 years under the LPoC, and what's the trade-off? What did we get in return? NOTHING. The extra money that we're paying because of Trump was to save the planet from - not another BS climate scam, like shaman pulled on our ancestors for 20,000 years, but an actual apocalypse. Don't compare that to "Trudeau and Carney have some cronies with startup companies and they wanna funnel hundreds of billions worth of taxpayer dollars to them." Dude: fossil fuel consumption across the planet has gone up every year since 2005, and yet global warming catastrophe deadlines have come and gone without a single gloomy prediction coming true for several decades now. Even the UN is dialling back all their doomsday claims again this year. It's the climate alarmism version of the fking covid jab efficacy backpeddling. Quote Especially since he is personally making BILLIONS off his own policies while everyone else suffers from them. 1) BS. 2) Trudeau and Carney do that while accomplishing NOTHING for Canadians. Quote But he admits he doesn’t even think about them. . That's not what he said. He made a long, complex statement and you have reduced it something that it simply does not mean. Quote Your usual mouth foam would quadruple if Carney ever said something like that. Why do I care what Carney says? It all lies, dipshit. Carney never tells the truth about anything important. Did he really have his elbows up? Did he negotiate a trade deal with the US? Did he really "play no role" in moving Brookfield's HQ? Remember the transparency promised by Trudeau and the LPoC this whole time? What do they plot there, with no cameras? What secret deal did they make with the Chinese police? The Carney you voted for is not the Carney you got. He lied about everything. Our country gets further behind every day and there's no end in sight... just more and more secrecy, and more control over our speech. 2026 onwards...: Censorship in Canada is rising, media corporations not controlled by the LPoC are increasingly under attack, so no one can talk about what the gov't is doing, but that last part is kinda ok, because we really don't know what the gov't is doing anyways... they do everything in total secrecy now. The state of Canada's democracy under the LPoC summed up in one sentence: "Every day is a little better than the next." 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Michael Hardner Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 I have no doubt that Trump was warned of the risks and made his move anyway as was his option. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 41 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Be real, Beave. At this point we both know that it's absurd for you to be calling me a dummy. No you’re the stupid high school dropout who has fallen for everything from Trump’s 2020 election lies to Krackpot Kovid Konspiracies to Putin’s lies about his invasion being self-defense against non-existent Ukrainian bio weapons. You’re a Konservative Krackpot Klown. clown. You’re not even the smartest of the right wing posters in this forum, which is already a really low bar. 43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Pretend that you were taking a course that you needed to pass in order to graduate LMFAOOOOO!!!! That is a hilarious line comes from someone who is an admitted high school dropout and has never graduated from ANYTHING. The only person who would have to PRETEND for that to happen is you! As has been said many times The whole Iran war has been a debacle that has erased trillions from the global economy. If the justification is “these guys have had it coming for 50 years” and all the resulting Trumplflation was known and planned for then it would have been part of his election platform and he would not have campaigned as a president who will end foreign military intervention and stop inflation on “day 1” And he would have gone to congress for authorization instead of making a secret deal with Mike Johnson to keep votes on Iran off the congressional voting agenda. Iran has a large uranium stockpile thanks to the incompetence if the first Trump administration which ended the controls that were in place and were highly effective. But having uranium isn’t the same as being able to design and build a nuclear weapon just like having jet fuel isn’t the same as being able to design and build a fighter jet and Iran is still many years away from being able to weaponize. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 19 hours ago, User said: What war? We are in a ceasefire now, and Iran continues to threaten the Strait. What war he says LOL. There’s still no peace deal. 19 hours ago, User said: What do you base saying none of this was planned for? I mean, yeah, sure, lets just assume that the Pentagon, full of people who do planning all day long all year long... never ever once considered any of this or had any plans... yeah! First of all regardless of what the pentagon may have planned for over the years in the Trump administration none of that matters. The decisions get made by Trump, Hegseth ignorant incompetent ADHD MAGA fools in the White House who don’t read and don’t care about any facts or plans. Second of all, Trump amd Hegseth purged the pentagon and the public service of competent professionals and replaced them with kool-aid drinking MAGA hacks, grifters and stooges who tell them what they want to hear. Its obvious this outcome was not what Trump was expecting. A year and half into his presidency inflation that has grown to staggering levels that is not “ending inflation on day1”. So if he knew this was going to happen this whole time was he lying to the American people or was this not what he was expecting? It can’t be both. 19 hours ago, User said: Trump or no Trump, Iran has held this over the worlds head and could have done it anytime they wanted to... then what? I don’t think they’ve ever “held it over the world’s head” before now but at any rate Trump’s unnecessary war has only made a THEORETICAL threat a reality and there is no indication that Trump has done anything to prevent it from happening again. To the contrary once an established taboo or “red line” finally gets crossed it only makes it MORE likely to happen again in the future. Especially since there’s no regime change and all of Trump’s attempt to open the strait with threats have failed. Now he’s NEGOTIATING with them as equals to get it back open. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 WHY TRUMP LOST The president failed to deliver on his Iran bluster, and in the end fooled only himself. By David Frum MAY 24, 2026, 10:45 AM ET “The first surprising thing about President Trump’s impending defeat in the 2026 Iran war is that he already fought and won a successful war against Iran last year. In June 2025, U.S. and Israeli airstrikes badly damaged the Iranian nuclear program in 12 days of bombardment. Exactly how badly remains controversial. But they didn’t do nothing. If Trump had quit while ahead, he could have banked his gains from last August as a solid if imperfect win. “Trump hates procedure. A lot of the apparatus of the modern presidency exists to force confrontations with unwelcome realities. Cabinet officers are confirmed by the Senate to assure the country that major offices are filled by people of character and competence. The National Security Council is supposed to process challenging data to ensure that the president receives necessary information. But to run the Department of Defense, Trump nominated and the Senate approved Pete Hegseth. Instead of choosing a national security adviser to replace Mike Waltz after Waltz’s resignation on May 1, 2025, Trump tapped Secretary of State Marco Rubio to take on the role. But to double up that particular job dooms the job not to be done at all, especially because Trump has shriveled the NSC’s staff and subjected it to loyalty tests demanded by his most screwball supporters.” “For three years in his first term, Trump benefited from the strong economy that he inherited. Then the pandemic struck, and his first instinct was to hunt for someone to blame. In this second presidency, his main work has been spectacular self-enrichment, even as the economy has sagged under the weight of his catastrophic trade wars. He made no case for an Iran war to the public and never sought approval by Congress. There are some Iran hawks on the Democratic side, especially in the Senate. Trump never tried to ally with them. Trump’s vision of the presidency is authoritarian and kleptocratic: Issue orders, grab money, luxuriate in flattery, erect monuments to oneself. That’s no way to lead a nation through the hazards and difficulties of war. Now the war is ending on disadvantageous terms for the United States. Trump’s old methods will be turned to a new task: trying to deceive the American people and the world into believing that the war he lost was really a big win, the biggest ever, so big you cannot believe it. He’s likely to discover that, indeed, nobody does believe it.” Excerpt From “Why Trump Lost” David Frum The Atlantic https://apple.news/AjurgUdwwRh-024cb_9BQ2A This material may be protected by copyright. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 Just now, BeaverFever said: WHY TRUMP LOST The president failed to deliver on his Iran bluster, and in the end fooled only himself. By David Frum MAY 24, 2026, 10:45 AM ET “The first surprising thing about President Trump’s impending defeat in the 2026 Iran war is that he already fought and won a successful war against Iran last year. In June 2025, U.S. and Israeli airstrikes badly damaged the Iranian nuclear program in 12 days of bombardment. Exactly how badly remains controversial. But they didn’t do nothing. If Trump had quit while ahead, he could have banked his gains from last August as a solid if imperfect win. “Trump hates procedure. A lot of the apparatus of the modern presidency exists to force confrontations with unwelcome realities. Cabinet officers are confirmed by the Senate to assure the country that major offices are filled by people of character and competence. The National Security Council is supposed to process challenging data to ensure that the president receives necessary information. But to run the Department of Defense, Trump nominated and the Senate approved Pete Hegseth. Instead of choosing a national security adviser to replace Mike Waltz after Waltz’s resignation on May 1, 2025, Trump tapped Secretary of State Marco Rubio to take on the role. But to double up that particular job dooms the job not to be done at all, especially because Trump has shriveled the NSC’s staff and subjected it to loyalty tests demanded by his most screwball supporters.” “For three years in his first term, Trump benefited from the strong economy that he inherited. Then the pandemic struck, and his first instinct was to hunt for someone to blame. In this second presidency, his main work has been spectacular self-enrichment, even as the economy has sagged under the weight of his catastrophic trade wars. He made no case for an Iran war to the public and never sought approval by Congress. There are some Iran hawks on the Democratic side, especially in the Senate. Trump never tried to ally with them. Trump’s vision of the presidency is authoritarian and kleptocratic: Issue orders, grab money, luxuriate in flattery, erect monuments to oneself. That’s no way to lead a nation through the hazards and difficulties of war. Now the war is ending on disadvantageous terms for the United States. Trump’s old methods will be turned to a new task: trying to deceive the American people and the world into believing that the war he lost was really a big win, the biggest ever, so big you cannot believe it. He’s likely to discover that, indeed, nobody does believe it.” Excerpt From “Why Trump Lost” David Frum The Atlantic https://apple.news/AjurgUdwwRh-024cb_9BQ2A This material may be protected by copyright. An important point for the MAGA klowns to remember is that the above article was written by a REPUBLICAN speechwriter for Bush Jr, who wrote the Bush line “axis of evil” to describe Iran, Iraq and North Korea (who weren’t an “axis” or even talking to each other at all but whatever it worked on republican simpletons at the time). The point is, he’s no peace dove he’s part of the traditional republican pro-Israel, anti-Iran wing Quote
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