John Stone Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 BREAKING NEWS The United States is fk'd up economically, politically, morally, ethically, racially and religiously! 😨 Holy fk, Batman - any good news? 2, 4, 6 year terms. Quote
Nationalist Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Venandi said: I would invite you to consider the effects of Israel going it alone in terms of overall impact, duration of the effort, stability of the region, and the economic ill effects associated with a prolonged (and less effective) action against Iran. This was going to happen with or without US involvement. Even if you opine that Iran wouldn't use nuclear weapons against Israel, the deterrent effect of having .that capability would give Iran the the luxury of continuing to be the "weapon source of choice" for bad actors in the region... in perpetuity. Israel simply won't allow that to happen. This comes down to picking your poison and I think you would find your own assessment, over time, to be even less palatable than what you rail against now. Bad actors...Like China? Russia? Pakistan? India? North Korea? Isreal maybe? I understand that Iran and Isreal hate each other. I also understand why the Persians might hate America. What i don't understand is why America hates Iran. Let's say Iran gets a nuke loaded onto a missile. Well...Isreal has several nukes loaded on missiles. Why not just let the 2 belligerents fight? Why waste American resources on them? Why drive inflation up? If Isreal wants to fight with Iran...let 'em. Edited May 10 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 1 hour ago, John Stone said: BREAKING NEWS The United States is fk'd up economically, politically, morally, ethically, racially and religiously! 😨 Holy fk, Batman - any good news? 2, 4, 6 year terms. So you sopping wet lunatics can re-open the border? Pfft Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 36 minutes ago, Nationalist said: So you sopping wet lunatics can re-open the border? Pfft ............ ya sound like a one-trick pony. 😁 Quote
Nationalist Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 8 minutes ago, John Stone said: ............ ya sound like a one-trick pony. 😁 A very important trick. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: A very important trick. 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: A very important trick. "Confucius say, beware the one-trick pony that has hidden agenda" Quote
Nationalist Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 6 minutes ago, John Stone said: "Confucius say, beware the one-trick pony that has hidden agenda" Chinese proverbs...cool. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: User...Trump had all his ducks in a row. The border was closed. Illegals were being expelled. The economy was bursting at the seems. Fuel prices were dropping. Then he fcked all the progress up by letting Netanyahu talk him into attacking Iran. A country that is a threat to Isreal, but not the USA Just the other day you were criticizing him on the border and illegal immigration… Iran has been a threat to American interests and our forces for decades. Quote
herbie Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 he complete botch of any military strategy in this shttshow reminds me of Hitler's interference and Stalin's prewar purge of generals to a tee. Got rid of all qualified commanders for loyalist, renamed to the Wat Depy. and appointed a toady propagandist with zero military skill Hegseth . Vietnam 2.0, billions spent, zero accomplished this time with fewer casualties and a loud but phoney claim of victory. Quote
User Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 13 minutes ago, herbie said: he complete botch of any military strategy in this shttshow reminds me of Hitler's interference and Stalin's prewar purge of generals to a tee. Got rid of all qualified commanders for loyalist, renamed to the Wat Depy. and appointed a toady propagandist with zero military skill Hegseth . Vietnam 2.0, billions spent, zero accomplished this time with fewer casualties and a loud but phoney claim of victory. Trump did not remove all qualified commanders. *GASP* oh no, he changed a name! Cry some more! Hegseth is a decorated combat veteran. Vietnam 2.0? Holy crap, this is so beyond absurd. 6 hours ago, John Stone said: BREAKING NEWS The United States is fk'd up economically, politically, morally, ethically, racially and religiously! 😨 Holy fk, Batman - any good news? 2, 4, 6 year terms. The good news is that you are full of shit and none of this is accurate. Quote
CdnFox Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 12 hours ago, John Stone said: BREAKING NEWS The United States is fk'd up economically, politically, morally, ethically, racially and religiously! 😨 Holy fk, Batman - any good news? 2, 4, 6 year terms. Democrats be like... Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 11 hours ago, Nationalist said: Bad actors...Like China? Russia? Pakistan? India? North Korea? Isreal maybe? I understand that Iran and Isreal hate each other. I also understand why the Persians might hate America. What i don't understand is why America hates Iran. Let's say Iran gets a nuke loaded onto a missile. Well...Isreal has several nukes loaded on missiles. Why not just let the 2 belligerents fight? Why waste American resources on them? Why drive inflation up? If Isreal wants to fight with Iran...let 'em. I don't know about 'america' but trump himself has plenty of reason to hate iran. they have tried a few times to kill him and have openly promised to do so and attempted to hire or lure people to do it. Their animosity and hatred goes back to his first term where he killed some of their military leaders as you'll recall. this isn't a new or sudden thing with him. I'm fairly sure it wouldn't have taken a lot of talking to convince him iran needed to be blown up a bit. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
herbie Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 7 hours ago, User said: The good news is that you are full of shit And 100% correct in mentioning previously that the propaganda you grew up with was so insidious you can't tell you're completely brainwashed. 7 hours ago, User said: Hegseth is a decorated combat veteran Hired for following orders, not qualified to give them. Quote
CdnFox Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 40 minutes ago, herbie said: And 100% correct in mentioning previously that the propaganda you grew up with was so insidious you can't tell you're completely brainwashed. This from a commie LOL Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
robosmith Posted May 11 Author Report Posted May 11 13 hours ago, Nationalist said: A very important trick. It's very important to YOU, and it's also none of your business. Quote
User Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 1 hour ago, herbie said: Hired for following orders, not qualified to give them. The point was that he is a decorated combat veteran, and you ignorantly claimed he has zero skill. Now you claim he isn’t qualified to give orders… he was a Major. Never mind, the Secretary position exists to carry out the Presidents vision. Your comment makes no sense like most of the ignorant crap you spew. Quote
John Stone Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 9 hours ago, CdnFox said: Democrats be like... 😁 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: I don't know about 'america' but trump himself has plenty of reason to hate iran. they have tried a few times to kill him and have openly promised to do so and attempted to hire or lure people to do it. Their animosity and hatred goes back to his first term where he killed some of their military leaders as you'll recall. this isn't a new or sudden thing with him. I'm fairly sure it wouldn't have taken a lot of talking to convince him iran needed to be blown up a bit. So choke the economy? Great solution. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted May 11 Author Report Posted May 11 11 hours ago, CdnFox said: I don't know about 'america' but trump himself has plenty of reason to hate iran. Trump and you are really stupid to not understand KARMA and believe that assassinations do not incite more assassinations.. Quote
User Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Trump and you are really stupid to not understand KARMA and believe that assassinations do not incite more assassinations.. When you use words like Karma, it shows you think he deserves to be assassinated. You are a sick person. Quote
CdnFox Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 4 hours ago, John Stone said: 😁 I didn't realize you two were dating Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: So choke the economy? Great solution. I suspect he believed going into it that if he applied enough pressure right away they would capitulate. It's very clear this is become a bit of a tar baby for him, he got one fist in and was shocked that he couldn't pull it back out easily and we know how that story continued. Trump is not perfect, and one of the challenges he faces is his ability to convince himself that something is true when he really wants it to be. He convinced himself during his first term that he could kill Iranian generals and get away with it and he did. I'm sure he convinced himself this time that he could kill the leaders of the political apparatus and the rest would fall in line. That is not true. And we may never know how serious the nuclear threat was. If Iran was about to actually produce nucear weapons then that would have been a problem. But regardless it's obvious that they went into this without a clear idea of what an off-ramp would be or what a final resolution would look like or how they would get there and that is always a disaster. Sadly a shocking number of politicians know how to start a war but have no idea how they're going to finish it once they do Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Nationalist Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I suspect he believed going into it that if he applied enough pressure right away they would capitulate. It's very clear this is become a bit of a tar baby for him, he got one fist in and was shocked that he couldn't pull it back out easily and we know how that story continued. Trump is not perfect, and one of the challenges he faces is his ability to convince himself that something is true when he really wants it to be. He convinced himself during his first term that he could kill Iranian generals and get away with it and he did. I'm sure he convinced himself this time that he could kill the leaders of the political apparatus and the rest would fall in line. That is not true. And we may never know how serious the nuclear threat was. If Iran was about to actually produce nucear weapons then that would have been a problem. But regardless it's obvious that they went into this without a clear idea of what an off-ramp would be or what a final resolution would look like or how they would get there and that is always a disaster. Sadly a shocking number of politicians know how to start a war but have no idea how they're going to finish it once they do True. But the fact remains...Iran was not a threat to the USA. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 32 minutes ago, Nationalist said: True. But the fact remains...Iran was not a threat to the USA. Yes, they are and have been for decades. They have been funding terror proxies in the region that attack US allies and assets. They threaten the Strait where global shipping goes through. Quote
Nationalist Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 2 minutes ago, User said: Yes, they are and have been for decades. They have been funding terror proxies in the region that attack US allies and assets. They threaten the Strait where global shipping goes through. They didn't threaten the strait before Isreal's attacks. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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