ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 17 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The Libs and Dems are the two parties in NA that vote as a bloc, and attack what few non-conformists they have. Trudeau didn't tolerate non-conformists a..... .... And republicans don't vote as block?? Or PP's conservatives don't vote as a block??? What an utterly naive thing to say LOL As PP doesn't tolerate non conformists 1 2 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Stone Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 ................. crossing the floor is a contentious issue ............. morally bankrupt. Gotta wonder what Carney is promising to buy a majority. Quote
Legato Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 39 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: What fear? fear of what?? A solid. Very much feared by people like yourself and the Hollow man. How dare their opinions change after 15 years. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Legato said: A solid. Very much feared by people like yourself and the Hollow man. How dare their opinions change after 15 years. Oh, you mean like how floor crossers can change their minds?? Changing to a winning team so they can get more for their riding and constituents? So, no fear...but showing your fear is obvious. Are there more to come? Being hypocritical does not suit you LOL 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Johnston Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 Perhaps it is time the Conservatives look within to find why people are bailing and why they cannot get any footing instead of spending their time blaming everything on everybody else. Victimhood, Entitlement and Grievance is obviously not working anymore. Jus sayin... 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 Just now, John Johnston said: Perhaps it is time the Conservatives look within to find why people are bailing and why they cannot get any footing instead of spending their time blaming everything on everybody else. Victimhood, Entitlement and Grievance is obviously not working anymore. Jus sayin... Been asking that for a while but really not expecting reasonable discussions or answers here LOL PP had a leadership convention and invited only 3000 members to vote...out of the about 675,000 members. Where as the last party in Canada, the NDP even let 168,000 of it's members vote for a leader. LOL 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Johnston Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Been asking that for a while but really not expecting reasonable discussions or answers here LOL PP had a leadership convention and invited only 3000 members to vote...out of the about 675,000 members. Where as the last party in Canada, the NDP even let 168,000 of it's members vote for a leader. LOL Well, ya, I suppose it was a rhetorical question. In my mind the Manning Effect has cast long shadow. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 3 hours ago, John Johnston said: Perhaps it is time the Conservatives look within to find why people are bailing and why they cannot get any footing instead of spending their time blaming everything on everybody else. Victimhood, Entitlement and Grievance is obviously not working anymore. Jus sayin... They have already done that , PP passed with over 87 % agreeing to support PP....the latest cross over was one of those votes...go figure no balls to tell PP during that conference but waited until she got something more than PP could offer her from Carney........ And to be honest really the liberals are welcome to her....have you looked at her record, she is as far right as they come , even some of the liberal MPs are gritting their teeth on major issues like abortion, etc....liberal cornerstones......but i guess the liberals will take anyone...for a majority...i wonder which riding she will be in come the next election...and what else was she promised....Any way....maybe this is one way to clean out the conservative closet...rebuilding where it needs to be... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
John Stone Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 Just now, ExFlyer said: .............. arguably the door hit Justin on the a$$ upon leaving. ......... nice guy but leader in name only - idealist? 1 Quote
John Johnston Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: They have already done that , PP passed with over 87 % agreeing to support PP....the latest cross over was one of those votes...go figure no balls to tell PP during that conference but waited until she got something more than PP could offer her from Carney........ And to be honest really the liberals are welcome to her....have you looked at her record, she is as far right as they come , even some of the liberal MPs are gritting their teeth on major issues like abortion, etc....liberal cornerstones......but i guess the liberals will take anyone...for a majority...i wonder which riding she will be in come the next election...and what else was she promised....Any way....maybe this is one way to clean out the conservative closet...rebuilding where it needs to be... Then continue to lose elections I guess. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: And republicans don't vote as block?? Or PP's conservatives don't vote as a block??? What an utterly naive thing to say LOL As PP doesn't tolerate non conformists If PP did not tolerate conformist, they would all vote in one block would they not... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
John Johnston Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 1 minute ago, John Johnston said: Then continue to lose elections I guess. Personally I don;t agree with floor crossing from any party for the simple reason people voted for them, not to change their stripe in mid sentence. that said, it's politics. 3 Quote
Army Guy Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 9 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Then continue to lose elections I guess. I guess so, The right needs to figure out a lot of things in the mean time....but unless Carney gives her a liberal riding her career will end next election, as it should....along with the other crossovers... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: They have already done that , PP passed with over 87 % agreeing to support PP....the latest cross over was one of those votes...go figure no balls to tell PP during that conference but waited until she got something more than PP could offer her from Carney........ And to be honest really the liberals are welcome to her....have you looked at her record, she is as far right as they come , even some of the liberal MPs are gritting their teeth on major issues like abortion, etc....liberal cornerstones......but i guess the liberals will take anyone...for a majority...i wonder which riding she will be in come the next election...and what else was she promised....Any way....maybe this is one way to clean out the conservative closet...rebuilding where it needs to be... As everyone knows...PP's leadership review was for 3000 invited guests out of 650,000+ Conservative members. It does not matter, she chose to go to a winning team so her riding and constituents benefit for being on a winning team instead of festering in nowherland for another 4 years as they have for the past 11. Even the woeful NDP allowed all 100,000 members to vote LOL Conservatives will never be able to rebuild until PP is cut loose LOL 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: If PP did not tolerate conformist, they would all vote in one block would they not... And they do...as PP tells them to LOL 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I guess so, The right needs to figure out a lot of things in the mean time....but unless Carney gives her a liberal riding her career will end next election, as it should....along with the other crossovers... You mean like PP getting a secure conservative riding when he lost his seat....along with other conservative losers?? LOL 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 Just now, ExFlyer said: As everyone knows...PP's leadership review was for 3000 invited guests out of 650,000+ Conservative members. It does not matter, she chose to go to a winning team so her riding and constituents benefit for being on a winning team instead of festering in nowherland for another 4 years as they have for the past 11. Even the woeful NDP allowed all 100,000 members to vote LOL Conservatives will never be able to rebuild until PP is cut loose LOL Winning team? Do you mean the team led by the pied piper with all the rats following. NDP all voted and look what happened. Equity joke cards anyone. Lol 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 17 minutes ago, Army Guy said: PP passed with over 87 % agreeing to support PP It was a small gathering.... 100% of the people who were invited to my wife's Bday party sang Happy Birthday. Your guy is done... which is good for the party and the country. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, Legato said: Winning team? Do you mean the team led by the pied piper with all the rats following. NDP all voted and look what happened. Equity joke cards anyone. Lol Yup...winning team... for 12 years and at least 3 more to go. NDP was always a joke but at least they were fair and let everyone vote not just a select few groupies LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 Well I'm sorry but this whining about floor crossing is utter bullshit. It's a standard thing you, and only better learn to accept because certain ideologues of one political persuasion '/don't like' seeing it showing the weakness in their Party through the volume of crossings. You voted for that person, They won. Their job is to represent all their constituents, which is something you all claim to agree with and make decisions for you. Now you're demanding they should be there to do the bidding of the Party first , something else entirely. If you don't like If you don't like their floor crossing the constituents will let them know when and if they stand for re-election. By what right do you think you have to demand a by-election ? They obviously think they can help their constituents better by crossing the floor. Or would you prefer they simplt withdraw from caucus, sit as an Independent and vote every time with the other Party just to soothe your ideological stubbornness? Cuz I know the exact people demanding this loudest would instead bbe gloating has the crossings went the other way. 2 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 (edited) 27 minutes ago, herbie said: Well I'm sorry but this whining about floor crossing is utter bullshit. It's a standard thing you, and only better learn to accept because certain ideologues of one political persuasion '/don't like' seeing it showing the weakness in their Party through the volume of crossings. You voted for that person, They won. Their job is to represent all their constituents, which is something you all claim to agree with and make decisions for you. Now you're demanding they should be there to do the bidding of the Party first , something else entirely. If you don't like If you don't like their floor crossing the constituents will let them know when and if they stand for re-election. By what right do you think you have to demand a by-election ? They obviously think they can help their constituents better by crossing the floor. Or would you prefer they simplt withdraw from caucus, sit as an Independent and vote every time with the other Party just to soothe your ideological stubbornness? Cuz I know the exact people demanding this loudest would instead bbe gloating has the crossings went the other way. I agree with what you say. There have been leaders that have said floor crossing is acceptable (Harper and Scheer when they benefited. Harper even said " I believe members of Parliament should have that freedom and be accountable to their constituents for their decisions at the next election. However, in my observation, the only parties that really have this as an obsession are the parties that no one ever crosses to.). Their leaders that actually voted against rules that make floor crossing illegal. All parties have been affected by floor crossing. There was someone here when shown that several conservative MPs including PP voted against changing the rules that actually said "How dare their opinions change after 15 years.". Well, perhaps Gladu changed her mind in the past 20 years and saw the conservatives were not getting anywhere under PP leadership so she changed her mind. She is not the devil the conservatives make her out to be, she is now on a team that will benefit her riding and constituents. No floor crossers were bribed and none of them were given anything. Like it or not, politicians all change their minds about one thing or anther over their terms jut as you and I have different outlooks and opinions on things as we grow. Edited April 11 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goddess Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: It does not matter, she chose to go to a winning team so her riding and constituents benefit for being on a winning team instead of festering in nowherland for another 4 years as they have for the past 11. So you admit that the Liberal Party does not work for all Canadians, only Liberal ridings. which is basically Ontario. Alberta independence. NOW. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
herbie Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 I have voted for people even if I didn't hope their Party overall. I even publicly acknowledged a Christian Heritage candidate as the most honest, trustworthy and capable one in a federal town hall meet even if I would never waste a vote on him. There are times when it doesn't really matter what Party is in power, sometimes when it does. I've voted all 3 ways, for both party reasons and candidate reasons. Mulroney was needed at the time. Harper was at best an annoyance. A 'build Canada' like Carney is needed now. Not a suck up to the USA and focus on socially retrograde career opportunist. 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 40 minutes ago, Goddess said: So you admit that the Liberal Party does not work for all Canadians, only Liberal ridings. which is basically Ontario. Alberta independence. NOW. Edmonton has liberals polling ahead by ~7% and Calgary liberals are only ~10% behind conservatives now. Maybe these two cities stay because they want a liberal government and you cowpokes move up to Hay River and separate in the North? You still answered how a separate 'Alberta' would navigate the economic pain. Guessing no solutions on X or Facebook for this? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 11 Report Posted April 11 7 hours ago, John Stone said: ................. crossing the floor is a contentious issue ............. morally bankrupt. Gotta wonder what Carney is promising to buy a majority. Probably not too much to wonder about. If these people get put on a couple of committees between the pay bump moving to the government and the committee fees and such they can almost double their income. More importantly they make contacts with people but they will be able to use for huge amounts of money once they leave politics Under the law you're not really supposed to offer anything but let's get real.. There is an old saying that the Worst day in government is better than the best day in opposition. A lot of these people ran knowing or believing that they were going to form the next government, they don't and they don't believe they will in the near future and this is the only way they can get to be in the government. Generally speaking those who aren't ambitious don't go into politics in the first place 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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