CdnFox Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 Mexico-US Trade Hits US$147 Billion as China, Canada Volumes Drop Carney is losing the trade war to the Mexican president. We're in almost identical circumstances but she's bandaging to work around it and get record trade while we're falling further and further behind We are no longer America's number one trading partner. That is now Mexico And yet all those liberals who voted for Carney because he was the best possible negotiator in the world to deal with trump will still be out there making excuse after excuse for him cuz our country gets flushed down the toilet by a liberal who only cares about funding his own retirement after he steps down 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Legato Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 11 hours ago, CdnFox said: Mexico-US Trade Hits US$147 Billion as China, Canada Volumes Drop Carney is losing the trade war to the Mexican president. We're in almost identical circumstances but she's bandaging to work around it and get record trade while we're falling further and further behind We are no longer America's number one trading partner. That is now Mexico And yet all those liberals who voted for Carney because he was the best possible negotiator in the world to deal with trump will still be out there making excuse after excuse for him cuz our country gets flushed down the toilet by a liberal who only cares about funding his own retirement after he steps down Must be that global Harper warming thingy and elbows being used as brakes. 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 Just kind of a big deal, I don't think people get how serious our situation is getting. We are becoming less and less relevant and it is really hard to ever gain that back 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Goddess Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Just kind of a big deal, I don't think people get how serious our situation is getting. We are becoming less and less relevant and it is really hard to ever gain that back I can't imagine that anyone is so stoopid that they can't figure out that if we lose CUSMA, we're dead as a country. But here we are. 2 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
LinkSoul60 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Just kind of a big deal, I don't think people get how serious our situation is getting. We are becoming less and less relevant and it is really hard to ever gain that back Not everyone 'gets it' like you do... Ever stop to think that exports are meant to lessen trade when a country puts significantly high tariffs on another? We had a 6% decline in exports to the US past year and an increase of 17% to non-US countries last year. We'll get normalized with the US whenever that may be, but we need other partners, obviously... 2 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Goddess said: I can't imagine that anyone is so stoopid that they can't figure out that if we lose CUSMA, we're dead as a country. But here we are. Hopefully the people negotiating this for us know that... Where are we? Last I saw from the US guy not all concerns will be resolved by July 1, but most will. Waiting only benefits us with more pressure on Trump.... no revival of manufacturing jobs, just tariff inflation. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Not everyone 'gets it' like you do... Sadly true. Just me and anyone with a greater than 6 grade education who isn't a member of a political cult. Quote Ever stop to think that exports are meant to lessen trade when a country puts significantly high tariffs on another? Ever stop to think another country might choose to exploit that? Ever think they'd use the opportunity to increase their secretive influence and hold on that country, a thing they'd been caught doing by csis already? Ever think that trade would then give them MASSIVE leverage over that country in the future? Like... a million times more than just threats to canola? Were you stupid enough to think China was our "Friend" and would treat us nice just because? Quote We had a 6% decline in exports to the US past year and an increase of 17% to non-US countries last year. I don't think you understand what those numbers mean. What those numbers prove if you actually understand them is that there is no possible way we can replace what we've lost with the us by increasing trade elsewhere. At best it's a minor bandaid. Maybe over the next 20 years or something... but that'll be too late. And trying to replace an unreliable partner with an even MORE unreliable partner is just absolutely stupid Our solutions have to be internal for the most part, except for increasing our ability to bring energy to market. We have to massivley increase trade within canada, attract as much investment here as possible, get more people buying canadian and more people MAKING canadian, and building major projects that will actually improve our economy nationwide ANd what is carney doing? He's selling us out to china while getting in the way of every major project he can. And the one project he'll get behind is a rail system that won't help more than a tiny handful and will cost us 90 billion dollars that we'll never see again, which will keep the jobs going for the finance minister's wife. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Barquentine Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 On 4/8/2026 at 12:37 AM, CdnFox said: We are no longer America's number one trading partner. That is now Mexico A lot of that difference is because of sectoral tariffs, steel, aluminum, copper and lumber..., all of which we normally export MUCH more to the US than Mexico. And also the 'Buy Canadian' push. And how much of that will be picked up by trade with other countries? Agriculture and seafood to China for example. The US will come back to normalcy soon. 2 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: Sadly true. Just me and anyone with a greater than 6 grade education who isn't a member of a political cult. Ever stop to think another country might choose to exploit that? Ever think they'd use the opportunity to increase their secretive influence and hold on that country, a thing they'd been caught doing by csis already? Ever think that trade would then give them MASSIVE leverage over that country in the future? Like... a million times more than just threats to canola? Were you stupid enough to think China was our "Friend" and would treat us nice just because? I don't think you understand what those numbers mean. What those numbers prove if you actually understand them is that there is no possible way we can replace what we've lost with the us by increasing trade elsewhere. At best it's a minor bandaid. Maybe over the next 20 years or something... but that'll be too late. And trying to replace an unreliable partner with an even MORE unreliable partner is just absolutely stupid Our solutions have to be internal for the most part, except for increasing our ability to bring energy to market. We have to massivley increase trade within canada, attract as much investment here as possible, get more people buying canadian and more people MAKING canadian, and building major projects that will actually improve our economy nationwide ANd what is carney doing? He's selling us out to china while getting in the way of every major project he can. And the one project he'll get behind is a rail system that won't help more than a tiny handful and will cost us 90 billion dollars that we'll never see again, which will keep the jobs going for the finance minister's wife. Possibly if you would have matriculated beyond that noted Grade 6 education you'd have realized we're not talking about China. We're talking about your comment on lesser trade with the US. Pay attention little guy... I know exactly what the reduction of trade with the US means and why it declined last year.... do you? To my original comment... significantly high tariffs are meant to discourage trade, and the reason why we saw lesser trade with the US last year specifically in the steel, aluminum, auto and lumber sectors. Following along...? Stay focused.... we're not talking about energy, China, the HSR project, or Champaigns wife. Let me know if you're not following why our trade with the US declined last year.... 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: A lot of that difference is because of sectoral tariffs, steel, aluminum, copper and lumber..., all of which we normally export MUCH more to the US than Mexico. That's not possible, carney said we got "The best deal in the world" on our tariffs And it doesn't matter. Mexico was able to find ways to address the issues and reduce the tariff burdens on their industries and negotiate something that worked for them reasonably well. And we were not. And now we're falling behind and becoming less relevant. 4 hours ago, Barquentine said: And also the 'Buy Canadian' push. Mexico had their version of that. But at the end of the day, the 'buy Canadian' thing should have HELPED our trade deficit with the US. If we buy less from them and they buy the same from us, our picture actually gets better. But the fact is we're selling less and less. At the end of the day this hurts us badly especially going into cusma negotiations. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonbox Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Stay focused.... we're not talking about energy, China, the HSR project, or Champaigns wife. Let me know if you're not following why our trade with the US declined last year.... Why stay focused when you can barf out a clueless, meandering page-long rant and then declare the argument won? 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Stay focused.... we're not talking about energy, China, the HSR project, or Champaigns wife. Let me know if you're not following why our trade with the US declined last year.... Oh but we are. Energy is an export (did you forget?) China is a country we trade with and we're talking about trade. And YOU were the one who brought up that we need to address the loss of trade with the states by getting other partners, to which i pointed out correctly that we can't and we'd be better off trying to improve our INTERNAL trade. So when you say "stay focused" what you REALLY mean is "For gods' sake quit bringing up all the crap that proves me wrong!!!!" 4 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Why stay focused when you can barf out a clueless, meandering page-long rant and then declare the argument won? LOL oh dear, i see we're reviving your old habit of chasing me around the forum yapping like an irate Chihuahua every time you lose an argument with me LOL You are one damaged little man 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
paxamericana Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 On 4/7/2026 at 10:37 PM, CdnFox said: Mexico-US Trade Hits US$147 Billion as China, Canada Volumes Drop Carney is losing the trade war to the Mexican president. We're in almost identical circumstances but she's bandaging to work around it and get record trade while we're falling further and further behind We are no longer America's number one trading partner. That is now Mexico And yet all those liberals who voted for Carney because he was the best possible negotiator in the world to deal with trump will still be out there making excuse after excuse for him cuz our country gets flushed down the toilet by a liberal who only cares about funding his own retirement after he steps down What’s that I’m reading. You want to surrender and become the 51st State? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 Just now, paxamericana said: What’s that I’m reading. You want to surrender and become the 51st State? No, but the fact you think it is certainly does provide confirmation that the American educational system is as bad as they say 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
paxamericana Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No, but the fact you think it is certainly does provide confirmation that the American educational system is as bad as they say Well when you’re ready to be bought out here’s our card. 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: Oh but we are. Energy is an export (did you forget?) China is a country we trade with and we're talking about trade. And YOU were the one who brought up that we need to address the loss of trade with the states by getting other partners, to which i pointed out correctly that we can't and we'd be better off trying to improve our INTERNAL trade. So when you say "stay focused" what you REALLY mean is "For gods' sake quit bringing up all the crap that proves me wrong!!!!" How simple minded are you? It's your thread and your comments that we're losing a 'trade war' with the US and Mexico, which I replied to. What does China, HSR, Champaigns wife, and now inter-provincial trade have to do with our US trade. You never pointed out anything other than the usual schtick of anti-liberal. You got nothing... as usual. 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 7 hours ago, paxamericana said: Well when you’re ready to be bought out here’s our card. Sure ,i'll add it to my collection 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said: How simple minded are you? Not enough apperently, i keep having to dumb things down for you. Quote It's your thread and your comments that we're losing a 'trade war' with the US and Mexico, which I replied to Quote . What does China, HSR, Champaigns wife, and now inter-provincial trade have to do with our US trade. They...are...being....considered...as .....replacements....for ....the... trade ....we ...lost Slow enough this time? And you brought up china, now you're mad at yourself? Quote You never pointed out anything other than the usual schtick of anti-liberal. You got nothing... as usual. I pointed to simple facts and of course that ALWAYS upsets you. We cannot replace what we lost with the us with deals with china and other nations. Period. We COULD put a dent into it if we focused on interior trade instead, but the libs are totally ignoring that (Despite running on it) and what they ARE doing is a disastrous train project that will bury us with debt. IF we're losing the US as a tradiing partner then 'what do we do about that' is a pretty valid question. As your kindergarten teacher about it tomorrow 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Not enough apperently, i keep having to dumb things down for you. They...are...being....considered...as .....replacements....for ....the... trade ....we ...lost Slow enough this time? And you brought up china, now you're mad at yourself? I pointed to simple facts and of course that ALWAYS upsets you. We cannot replace what we lost with the us with deals with china and other nations. Period. We COULD put a dent into it if we focused on interior trade instead, but the libs are totally ignoring that (Despite running on it) and what they ARE doing is a disastrous train project that will bury us with debt. IF we're losing the US as a tradiing partner then 'what do we do about that' is a pretty valid question. As your kindergarten teacher about it tomorrow Take your thick little head out of your àss for a minute fool... China is not being 'considered as a replacement', we want to grow trade with them. HSR is an infrastructure project, that has nothing to do with international trade. Champaigns, wife, WTF... These are 'facts' and supposedly made me mad and upset....? You need to get a new act 🤡 I'm not sure what interior trade is, but there is more the provinces can do for better inter-provincial trade. Our federal government removed all barriers, so now what...? Little minds think in little ways.... We're not losing the US as a trade partner or is there even a concern for that. They need what we have as both a supplier and a customer, just as we need what they have. That's playing out with tariffs hurting the US economy so let it drag on longer, which only helps. 🤡 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Take your thick little head out of your àss for a minute fool... That's always a sure sign you know you're losing LOLOL Quote China is not being 'considered as a replacement', Yeah it is Quote we want to grow trade with them. To replace trade that we lost with us Quote HSR is an infrastructure project, that has nothing to do with international trade. Major projects just like china can be a replacement for exterior trade. Unfortunately you are quite correct that the one that they have chosen is utterly useless Quote I'm not sure what interior trade is, I'm sure they don't teach it in elementary school Economies are dependent on either internal trade, sometimes known as localized trade or domestic trade, or external trade, sometimes known as foreign trade If the foreign trade is suffering and going down it can be offset in many cases by expanding internal trade. More Canadians buying more things made by Canadians. Major projects that benefit the economy and use Canadian sourced materials and labor. That kind of thing You really can't have an adult conversation about how to deal with our reduction in American Trade without discussing our internal trade If you take an apple to your kindergarten teacher tomorrow maybe she'll explain it in more detail Quote Little minds think in little ways.... LOL so i see Quote We're not losing the US as a trade partner or is there even a concern for that. We have already seen a substantial reduction in our trade with the us and that is likely to continue. We will certainly still do some business with them but considering how much of our trade and our economy is tied up with trade to the united states specifically we simply can't afford to lose that trade without replacing it with something I know that involves math and therefore is confusing to you, but you just going to have to trust me So what do we replace that trade with? Well carney has proposed china as one option, and said that there may be other opportunities around the world for expanded trade. However as I have pointed out already that's not really possible. Well it's never bad to expand our relationships with other countries and trade there's no universe where we're going to replace what we've lost with America and unfortunately without that our country's kind of sunk One way we could replace it is focusing on improving our own internal trade within our country. But he's not doing that, he's picked a project that is utterly useless, will bankrupt the country, I only provides money and employment for liberals Is that clear now? I can go buy some crayons if you need it more simple I think the reality is you understand what I was saying perfectly but you know that I'm 100% right and rather than simply admit that or enter into a discussion you're having a weird little freak out by pretending you don't understand or that what I'm saying isn't comprehensible to you 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That's always a sure sign you know you're losing LOLOL Seriously... why those emojis? 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: To replace trade that we lost with us We've only lost what trade with the US Trump wanted us to lose. Growing trade with China and every other country is what we need to do, regardless of the US agreement when that happens. 8 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Major projects just like china can be a replacement for exterior trade. Unfortunately you are quite correct that the one that they have chosen is utterly useless You're picking things out of your àss. Major projects like HSR is infrastructure, not foreign trade no matter how you want to spin it. I said you were utterly useless, not the HSR project which I agree with. 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You really can't have an adult conversation about how to deal with our reduction in American Trade without discussing our internal trade Your hand gets further up your àss... We can have two separate conversations because they're two separate topics. Inter-provincial trade has nothing to do with foreign trade. The rest of your rambling is as useless as the above... 🤡 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 24 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Economies are dependent on either internal trade, sometimes known as localized trade or domestic trade, or external trade, sometimes known as foreign trade This point is more important than just the reduction in CanAM trade...Canada is far more dependent on exports (32% of GDP) than either China (20%) or the U.S. (12%). [Mexico is about 35% of GDP. ] So the very nature of Canada's economy makes it far more vulnerable to shifting trade flows, and to make matters worse, there are self imposed, internal barriers for trade between provinces. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 16 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Seriously... why those emojis? I honestly post them when I laugh Quote We've only lost what trade with the US Trump wanted us to lose. Uuhhhl,,, ok, and? Quote Growing trade with China and every other country is what we need to do, It's not a bad idea but honestly it doesn't really help us much. When you look at the numbers it's a drop in the bucket. Drop is better than nothing but it's not where our focus needs to be. Over the next 20 or 30 years we might be able to develop relationships to the point where the American Trade is not critical Quote You're picking things out of your àss. Sadly I'm not Quote Major projects like HSR is infrastructure Nope it's a vanity project. Even their own numbers show it's not going to be profitable or benefits Canada in a substantial way, certainly not for the first 40 or 50 years. It's to buy votes Quote not foreign trade no matter how you want to spin it. Nobody in the universe suggested it was foreign trade Have you been listening to the voices in your head again? I've tried to explain to you that they are not your friends Quote Your hand gets further up your àss... And here we go with the left wing proclivity for weird homosexual imagery as soon as they start to lose Quote We can have two separate conversations because they're two separate topics. Inter-provincial trade has nothing to do with foreign trade. They are the same topic. The topic at hand at this moment is how do we replace the trade we have lost with the united states. Foreign trade and Canadian domestic trade are two answers to the same question. Which is obvious. Anybody with a tiny the sliver of a brain can see that So the fact that you're trying to argue otherwise suggest to me very strongly that you know I'm right and you're just really really unhappy about it same as always What a pathetic cultist you are 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I honestly post them when I laugh Uuhhhl,,, ok, and? It's not a bad idea but honestly it doesn't really help us much. When you look at the numbers it's a drop in the bucket. Drop is better than nothing but it's not where our focus needs to be. Over the next 20 or 30 years we might be able to develop relationships to the point where the American Trade is not critical Sadly I'm not Nope it's a vanity project. Even their own numbers show it's not going to be profitable or benefits Canada in a substantial way, certainly not for the first 40 or 50 years. It's to buy votes Nobody in the universe suggested it was foreign trade Have you been listening to the voices in your head again? I've tried to explain to you that they are not your friends And here we go with the left wing proclivity for weird homosexual imagery as soon as they start to lose They are the same topic. The topic at hand at this moment is how do we replace the trade we have lost with the united states. Foreign trade and Canadian domestic trade are two answers to the same question. Which is obvious. Anybody with a tiny the sliver of a brain can see that So the fact that you're trying to argue otherwise suggest to me very strongly that you know I'm right and you're just really really unhappy about it same as always What a pathetic cultist you are Lol... you have no fùcking idea what you're talking about do you. What are you even trying to say in this so-called convo.. You're jumping from HSR to homosexuals to saying foreign to saying domestic trade are the same thing. You don't have a clue... End of the day you got nothing except your angry little rants about anything left. What a 🤡 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 Just now, LinkSoul60 said: Lol... you have no fùcking idea what you're talking about do you. Wow, you must REALLY think you lost bad to be this triggered by simple facts Quote What are you even trying to say in this so-called convo. Kid a 12-year-old can easily understand the point. The fact that you're pretending you can't suggest you're having an emotional breakdown because I'm right and you can't refute it. This is as simple as it gets. We're losing trade with the states. This is a bad thing. As you pointed out we could look to other countries to replace some of that but it really doesn't work. We could also be doing a lot more internally to improve our trade within Canada and that would help a lot more It doesn't get more simple. The fact that you're hyperventilating and freaking out like a child is because you don't like the truth, not because the truth is hard to understand 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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