1.4 billion, probably to poison First Nations people.

[Gaétan]

Mark Carney is acting in ways that serve dangerous financial interests. He wants to invest 1.4 billion in health care for First Nations, mainly probably in medications, which I believe could end up harming them further by flooding them with pills, even though many of their health problems stem from malnutrition and contaminated water. A doctor who truly understands how to heal patients says that there is only one disease — cellular dysfunction — and it is caused by two things: deficiencies and toxicity. We are being led by individuals who allocate billions in ways that, in my opinion, contribute to harming people, such as investing in weapons and purchasing pharmaceutical products. I claim that all political parties are corrupt by financial interests — why wouldn’t they be? Corruption is an effective way to make enormous amounts of money

 

[John Stone]

7 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Mark Carney is acting in ways that serve dangerous financial interests. He wants to invest 1.4 billion in health care for First Nations, mainly probably in medications, which I believe could end up harming them further by flooding them with pills, even though many of their health problems stem from malnutrition and contaminated water. A doctor who truly understands how to heal patients says that there is only one disease — cellular dysfunction — and it is caused by two things: deficiencies and toxicity. We are being led by individuals who allocate billions in ways that, in my opinion, contribute to harming people, such as investing in weapons and purchasing pharmaceutical products. I claim that all political parties are corrupt by financial interests — why wouldn’t they be? Corruption is an effective way to make enormous amounts of money

 

Infectious diseases  have disproportionately affected Indigenous people since the beginning of colonisation. 

For most people in Kanada, the risk of getting TB is very low. The rates of active TB among Indigenous is disproportionately higher - direct result of relocation, loss of lands, Reserve system, residential school system

TB (disease) is treated with antibiotics. Left untreated the disease spreads, is deadly without treatment (prayer beads aren't too effective). 

The World is a sewer .......... getting more so .......science is the only salvation .........

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, John Stone said:

Infectious diseases  have disproportionately affected Indigenous people since the beginning of colonisation. 

For most people in Kanada, the risk of getting TB is very low. The rates of active TB among Indigenous is disproportionately higher - direct result of relocation, loss of lands, Reserve system, residential school system

TB (disease) is treated with antibiotics. Left untreated the disease spreads, is deadly without treatment (prayer beads aren't too effective). 

The World is a sewer .......... getting more so .......science is the only salvation .........

Wrong POV...

He's a terrorist sympathizer, so he feels like his job is to turn every positive into a negative. That's it.

"Money for hospitals and medicine"... Call it "an attempted genocide".

Now you know how it feels to deal with someone further to the left than yourself. 

[ironstone]

I watched this yesterday and it dispels a lot of the myths about indigenous societies before and after the arrival of Europeans. Very interesting.

 

[herbie]

6 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Mark Carney is acting in ways that serve dangerous financial interests. He wants to invest 1.4 billion in health care for First Nations, mainly probably

"mainly probably", eh?

Ever even been to a reserve?. Lucky to have one nurse full time, doctors that visit once a week. A nursing station the size of a classroom. Year round road access in case of emergency.
Would a company town be as poorly serviced?

Bad enough many have such minimal health servcese that we don't need you imagining how the money will be spent.

[Gaétan]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

"mainly probably", eh?

Ever even been to a reserve?. Lucky to have one nurse full time, doctors that visit once a week. A nursing station the size of a classroom. Year round road access in case of emergency.
Would a company town be as poorly serviced?

Bad enough many have such minimal health servcese that we don't need you imagining how the money will be spent.

The extra money, 1.4 billion is meant to drug First Nations people, Doctors go North to treat illnesses that were caused by the medications they previously prescribed. I’m not saying they only poison them, but overall, yes, that’s what happens

The roads to the North are being built so that companies can take the gold from First Nations, but it’s still good if they benefit from them.”

“The NDP MP who joined the Liberals is acting irrationally. Mark Carney is a harmful individual who cannot bring himself to say the word ‘peace’ — just as the devil cannot.

The Conservative leader is even harsher than he is; journalists must stay at least 150 meters away from him for fear that demons might jump on them.

Edited April 4 by Gaétan

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

1.4 billion is meant to drug First Nations people

OMG you've joined the clinically insane....

[Gaétan]

8 hours ago, herbie said:

OMG you've joined the clinically insane....

You know nothing, doctors are nothing but poisoners trained by some kind of sect to make people sick in order to enrich pharmaceutical companies. And that's what they're going to do with the 1.4 billion — it's like giving them poisoned blankets, like they did in the past.

[Zeitgeist]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

"mainly probably", eh?

Ever even been to a reserve?. Lucky to have one nurse full time, doctors that visit once a week. A nursing station the size of a classroom. Year round road access in case of emergency.
Would a company town be as poorly serviced?

Bad enough many have such minimal health servcese that we don't need you imagining how the money will be spent.

The better question to ask is, How desperate did life get for natives before colonization in Canada?  The answer is very, including periods of starvation and attacks from competing tribes.  The quality of life, including lower mortality rates, better nutrition, and certainty literacy, improved astronomically for natives after colonization.  The main problems with reserves and the entire Indian Act program is that it maintains and encourages dependency and segregation. Not paying taxes and having your health, education, and significant amounts of infrastructure paid for by the state creates a constant moral hazard. These communities should be collecting taxes like any municipality and paying for their own infrastructure. If people can’t find or create work locally, they should move, just like people left the fishing villages of Newfoundland. It’s also important to remember that this scheme and Residential Schools were brought to you by the same progressive flakes who complain about these schemes today.

Having special status and treatment of certain groups on the basis of race/ethnicity doesn’t work.  It’s called apartheid. The natives seem to want to keep it.  Why not take the freebies? But of course what goes with that is dependency. These communities need to generate jobs and income from resource development if they have no other employment options.  If there are no employment options, migration is essential.  Employment creates a tax base to pay for services.  If the money for services comes from outside the area, that’s a skewed economy that maintains economic and social dysfunction. These aren’t opinions. It’s how economies function.

Edited April 4 by Zeitgeist

[Gaétan]

The 1.4 billion is a poisoned gift if these are pharmaceutical products, what they really need is fresh fruits and vegetables they can actually afford and drinkable water. These are the best health care we can offer them.

[John Johnston]

2 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The 1.4 billion is a poisoned gift if these are pharmaceutical products, what they really need is fresh fruits and vegetables they can actually afford and drinkable water. These are the best health care we can offer them.

True. However fruits and vegetables do not cure Mercury Poisoning. A holistic solution is needed. Medicine, good food, Education & Housing. 

[herbie]

5 hours ago, Gaétan said:

You know nothing, doctors are nothing but poisoners trained by some kind of sect to make people sick in order to enrich

I know a couple old hippies with the same mindset. But boy oh boy they trust the vet for their dogs. And because of 'the state of the world' spared the gene pool more of their kind.

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

How desperate did life get for natives before colonization in Canada?

moot...

You live in NOW not 200 years ago.

[Gaétan]

The first thing Mark Carney did when he was elected was to go to Saudi Arabia and Eastern Europe to sell weapons. He never speaks of peace, which he despises, and he has invested massively in armaments. We must judge this individual by his actions, and in reality, based on what he has done since he was elected, he wants only harm for Indigenous peoples, and I do not believe that this money is for their well‑being but to poison them.

[John Stone]

.......... if ya want  peace prepare for war............. or have allies that have prepared for war? 

It seems to have worked for 70+ years. 

So-called Idealism is great in  rhetoric .............. but usually only after great national ultimate sacrifice. 

 

[Gaétan]

53 minutes ago, John Stone said:

.......... if ya want  peace prepare for war............. or have allies that have prepared for war? 

It seems to have worked for 70+ years. 

So-called Idealism is great in  rhetoric .............. but usually only after great national ultimate sacrifice. 

 

Science says the opposite: if you prepare for war, your supposed enemy will feel threatened and may possibly attack you.

The Security Dilemma: How Self-Defense Creates Its Own Threats | Logic Atlas

Preparing for the wrong war? The need to broaden the focus beyond defence spending towards a comprehensive approach to peace and security – Peace Research Institute Oslo (PRIO)

Mark Carney cannot be trusted whatever he does

[John Stone]

16 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Science says the opposite: if you prepare for war, your supposed enemy will feel threatened and may possibly attack you.

The Security Dilemma: How Self-Defense Creates Its Own Threats | Logic Atlas

Preparing for the wrong war? The need to broaden the focus beyond defence spending towards a comprehensive approach to peace and security – Peace Research Institute Oslo (PRIO)

Mark Carney cannot be trusted whatever he does

..................do u  suppose Ukraine (Budapest Memorandum) , after giving up their nukes,  would agree with you (them)? Academia doesn't  win or even defend - they postulate. 

When the dust settles, they continue if their conquerors allow them?  

In February 2014, Russian forces seized or blockaded various airports and other strategic sites throughout Crimea, Ukraine,  which placed Russia in violation of the Budapest Memorandum.

 

[Gaétan]

12 minutes ago, John Stone said:

..................do u  suppose Ukraine (Budapest Memorandum) , after giving up their nukes,  would agree with you (them)? Academia doesn't  win or even defend - they postulate. 

When the dust settles, they continue if their conquerors allow them?  

In February 2014, Russian forces seized or blockaded various airports and other strategic sites throughout Crimea, Ukraine,  which placed Russia in violation of the Budapest Memorandum.

 

You need to get back to the actual issue: Marc Carney’s harmful impact on Indigenous peoples. My point is simple — his aggressive posture and the way he pushes these products make him someone I cannot trust. I place far more trust in people who genuinely promote peace, because they are the ones whose intentions align with supporting Indigenous communities. You’ve made your own choice, of course. But you seem to believe that “promoting peace” means arming oneself to the teeth. Many people — Marc Carney among them — still claim that climate change has no real consequences and openly dismiss scientific evidence.

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

(Budapest Memorandum)

Not to derail a thread about deliberately poisoning Native Canadians but:

NATO expansion was problematic after the signing, not a surprise to some but others seem baffled by Russia's strategic concerns in that regard.

I'd call those concerns predictable, meaning I'd be surprised if they weren't an issue... but that's just me.

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

In February 2014, Russian forces seized or blockaded various airports and other strategic sites throughout Crimea, Ukraine,  which placed Russia in violation of the Budapest Memorandum

Yes it was a violation but Russian security fears (post signing) were stoked by NATO expansion which undermined the memorandum itself even though it didn't void it. 

The question I always had while watching this play out was who could possibly be surprised that this expansion would be an issue given Russia's traditional defensive strategy of using land buffers... it always seemed like a "what did you think was going to happen" scenario to me. 

The memorandum provided political assurances but there were no defensive guarantees as I recall... so, thinking that Russia would simply give up their strategic interest in Crimea (meaning access and home of the black sea fleet) just never seemed like a reasonable expectation IMO.

That's not an attempt to justify anything BTW, it's just that (I think) most cynical soldiers would never have believed that it would serve as a lasting blueprint when all those new NATO countries got poured into the soup post signing. 

When US politicians (and others) started making noise about Ukraine joining NATO I found myself shouting STFU at the TV.

 

 

Edited April 5 by Venandi

[John Stone]

21 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Not to derail a silly thread about deliberately poisoning native Canadians but:

NATO expansion was problematic after the signing, not a surprise to some but others seem baffled by Russia's strategic concerns in that regard.

I'd call those concerns predictable, meaning I'd be surprised if they weren't an issue... but that's just me.

Yes it was a violation but Russian security fears (post signing) were stoked by NATO expansion which undermined the memorandum itself even though it didn't void it. 

The question I always had while watching this play out was who could possibly be surprised that this expansion would be an issue given Russia's traditional defensive strategy of using land buffers... it always seemed like a "what did you think was going to happen" scenario to me. 

The memorandum provided political assurances but there were no defensive guarantees as I recall... so, thinking that Russia would simply give up their strategic interest in Crimea (meaning access and home of the black sea fleet) just never seemed like a reasonable expectation IMO.

That's not an attempt to justify anything BTW, it's just that (I think) most cynical soldiers would never have believed that it would serve as a lasting blueprint when all those new NATO countries got poured into the soup post signing. 

When US politicians (and others) started making noise about Ukraine joining NATO I found myself shouting STFU at the TV.

 

 

Def some truth to ur suggestion that NATO expansion led to Russia's paranoia. 

Ur correct. The Budapest Memo certainly did not guarantee protection to Ukraine – there was no binding agreement to that effect.

The point tho is that by relinquishing their nukes Ukraine relinquished their deterrence.

Ukraine relinquished their nukes at the behest of the West................... more fools Ukraine? 

There were ‘assurances’ agreed to by Russia – which they reneged on thru annexation of Crimea and later invasion in 2022.

Russia defended their contravention of  ‘said’ assurances  in stating they (Russia) had agreed to the assurances, but understood it meant to not attack Ukraine with nukes. haha.

Political hacks claimed a great victory over the B.M. of course...................... victory (peace) in our time. 

Put bluntly, Ukraine went from being the 3^rd most powerful nuke nation on earth to being invaded.

Nukes are deterrence.

Missiles, drones, et al …………………….. not so much.

[Gaétan]

Whatever the media say to make Mark Carney look good, I do not trust him when it comes to his so‑called measures to help Indigenous peoples. Since he was elected, he has been travelling around the world to sell weapons, and he does not rely on science—except for the kind that enriches billionaires. The Conservative leader is even more cruel than he is.