Trump aiding and abetting the enemy?

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What does that have to do with anything?  My point was your guy removing sanctions despite the country he removed them on helping someone you're at war with with intel and weapons.   He's not a smart guy....at all.

What do you mean no facts... removing sanctions, telling Ukraine they should accept the loss of territory and throwing your Intelligence agency under the bus because he disagreed with their concerns of Russia.  There is nothing TDS, woke, left, or any other lame thing you want to come up with.  All common knowledge and easily varifiable.

I'm not having a 'hissy fit'.  Why would I care...  Nationalist was talking up Russia.  She thinks they're very similar to the US.

Nope, bullshit. This is about your TDS and ONLY your TDS. You insisting that you don't care is a laugh in your face joke. You do care or you wouldn't be pouring your LinkSoul into the developments. 

I'M the one who doesn't care.  

[Moonbox]

17 minutes ago, User said:

You were defending and justifying Iran shutting this down, mocking, saying it was wrong.

No.  That's a lie - and an utterly ridiculous one at that. 🤣

I've only pointed out that Iran has done exactly what they've done in the past, exactly what everyone expected they'd do, and exactly what they threatened they'd do.  

48 minutes ago, User said:

The point you made was to mock calling it wrong and then go on to defend and justify Iran doing it. 

Calling it "wrong" is about as useful and intelligent as calling it wrong for the tree bouncing the golfball you shot into it back at your nuts.  Actions have reactions.  Evil and repressive regimes respond unfavorably to being attacked.  If you don't properly account for those consequences (as your Orange Baboon rarely does), then the results aren't great. 

[Deluge]

This is funny. I'll bet every President in the last 100 years has pulled shit similar to this, yet the forum's leftoids crowd this thread like it's the most important story ever told. lol

This is fueled strictly by TDS, nothing more. 

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Nope, bullshit. This is about your TDS and ONLY your TDS. You insisting that you don't care is a laugh in your face joke. You do care or you wouldn't be pouring your LinkSoul into the developments. 

I'M the one who doesn't care.  

Deluginal....  every time you and your fellow clowns have to revert to the TDS schtick it means you got nothing.  Like I said...it's all common knowledge and easily verifiable, which you already know.  Krasnov continues to prove his worth...

 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No.  That's a lie - and an utterly ridiculous one at that. 🤣

I've only pointed out that Iran has done exactly what they've done in the past, exactly what everyone expected they'd do, and exactly what they threatened they'd do.  

Well, no, that is not what you said at all:

"I mean, they can't fight the Americans symmetrically and this is one of their only points of leverage against the US, but they definitely should know that it's "wrong".  🙄"

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Calling it "wrong" is about as useful and intelligent as calling it wrong for the tree bouncing the golfball you shot into it back at your nuts.  Actions have reactions.  Evil and repressive regimes respond unfavorably to being attacked.  If you don't properly account for those consequences (as your Orange Baboon rarely does), then the results aren't great. 

See, you are still defending them, saying what Iran did was as inconsequential of a decision on their part as a ball bouncing off a tree. 

You are taking away Iran's agency, refusing to call actions they choose to engage in wrong, and blaming what they did on America. 

If you think they are so evil and repressive, it is not hard to simply say what they are doing is evil and wrong. 

If Iran sends a special forces unit into Saudi Arabia to rape little girls, are you going to blame America for that too and refuse to say it is wrong?

 

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Deluginal....  every time you and your fellow clowns have to revert to the TDS schtick it means you got nothing.  Like I said...it's all common knowledge and easily verifiable, which you already know.  Krasnov continues to prove his worth...

It doesn't matter LinkMissing60. 

TDS fueled this thread, nothing more. 

[Moonbox]

8 minutes ago, User said:

See, you are still defending them, saying what Iran did was as inconsequential of a decision on their part as a ball bouncing off a tree. 

No, that's just you inventing what you'd prefer to argue against, because you're not capable of debating reasonably.  

Do you disagree that Iran blocking the Straits was a predictable consequence of them being attacked? 🤨

[User]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

No, that's just you inventing what you'd prefer to argue against, because you're not capable of debating reasonably.  

Do you disagree that Iran blocking the Straits was a predictable consequence of them being attacked? 🤨

Yet again, you said:

"Calling it "wrong" is about as useful and intelligent as calling it wrong for the tree bouncing the golfball you shot into it back at your nuts. "

A ball bouncing off the tree is an inevitable outcome of physics. The tree made no choice. 

Iran made a choice. 

Predicting that as a possible choice doesn't change that it is, in fact, something they chose and can be called wrong. 

I mean, with your convoluted logic, you can't say that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was wrong. It was just the predictable outcome of Ukraine's ongoing efforts to join NATO. It was just the predictable outcome; I should have known that was going to happen, just like a ball bouncing off a tree! Can't call that wrong. 

 

[Moonbox]

Just now, User said:

A ball bouncing off the tree is an inevitable outcome of physics. The tree made no choice. 

Iran made a choice. 

Thank you for pointing out the difference between mathematical physics and geopolitics.  That's very informative. 🙄

3 minutes ago, User said:

Predicting that as a possible choice doesn't change that it is, in fact, something they chose and can be called wrong. 

Cool.  Call them wrong.  Do global energy prices care?  

Does it change that Iran's reaction was predictable and near-certain, and that the Orange Blob doesn't have a plan to deal with it?  

[User]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Thank you for pointing out the difference between mathematical physics and geopolitics.  That's very informative. 🙄

You were the one who compared this to a ball bouncing off a tree. Every step of the way, I am responding to your stupidity here. 

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Cool.  Call them wrong.  Do global energy prices care?  

Does it change that Iran's reaction was predictable and near-certain, and that the Orange Blob doesn't have a plan to deal with it?  

Once again, you could have just said it was wrong from the start, we are here because you refused and wanted to play games. 

We are dealing with it right now, systematically blowing up their military infrastructure along the Strait and seeking out assistance from any allies who would like to help secure it. 
 

[Moonbox]

8 minutes ago, User said:

Once again, you could have just said it was wrong from the start, we are here because you refused and wanted to play games. 

Except the game here was always yours.  You're just strawmanning and trying to change the subject.   

Criticizing Trump for his poorly planned adventure and flailing to contain and mitigate the 100% predictable consequences has nothing whatsoever to do with Iran's moral footing in the conflict. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Except the game here was always yours.  You're just strawmanning and trying to change the subject.   

Criticizing Trump for his poorly planned adventure and flailing to contain and mitigate the 100% predictable consequences has nothing whatsoever to do with Iran's moral footing in the conflict. 

OK, what was the strawman? What was the change of subject?

There is no way to "contain" Iran's threat against the Strait without destroying it... which means attacking them, which is what we are doing now. 

You are building some impossible scenario to attack Trump with, that somehow he should have been able to stop Iran from threatening the Strait before attacking. When there is no possible way to stop Iran from threatening the Strait without neutralizing the threat. 

Iran's moral footing has everything to do with this as you are trying to blame Trump for what Iran is doing. 

Again, you might as well be the other handful of pro-Russian sycophants on this forum blaming Ukraine for the Russian invasion. 

 

[Moonbox]

2 minutes ago, User said:

OK, what was the strawman? What was the change of subject?

The idea that I support Iran.  I've never said anything whatsoever to that effect, and was very clear what I thought about them.  That's where you keep trying to steer the conversation, and it's retarded.  

6 minutes ago, User said:

You are building some impossible scenario to attack Trump with, that somehow he should have been able to stop Iran from threatening the Strait before attacking.

This is one of the dumbest things you've ever written on this forum, and that's remarkable for someone with a track record like yours.  

I think the fumes from licking Trump's butthole have left you confused and delirious.  

[User]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The idea that I support Iran.  I've never said anything whatsoever to that effect, and was very clear what I thought about them.  That's where you keep trying to steer the conversation, and it's retarded.  

When you try to justify their actions and shirk their responsibility for them, refuse to say what they are doing is wrong, that is supporting them. 

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is one of the dumbest things you've ever written on this forum, and that's remarkable for someone with a track record like yours.  

I think the fumes from licking Trump's butthole have left you confused and delirious.  

What makes it dumb?

I described what you are doing, you got no response other than to say its dumb. 

 

[Moonbox]

5 minutes ago, User said:

When you try to justify their actions and shirk their responsibility for them, refuse to say what they are doing is wrong, that is supporting them. 

That's just you insisting on the dumbest and most nonsensical interpretation of what I've actually said.  If you want to argue with your own imagination, go ahead.  My input is not required for that.  🤡👍

[User]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

That's just you insisting on the dumbest and most nonsensical interpretation of what I've actually said.  If you want to argue with your own imagination, go ahead.  My input is not required for that.  🤡👍

Once again, I did respond to what you actually said. 

Here is you diminishing what Iran did as little more than a ball bouncing off a tree that you wouldn't call wrong:

"Calling it "wrong" is about as useful and intelligent as calling it wrong for the tree bouncing the golfball you shot into it back at your nuts. "

Here is you justifying what Iran did and mocking calling it wrong:

"I mean, they can't fight the Americans symmetrically and this is one of their only points of leverage against the US, but they definitely should know that it's "wrong".  🙄"

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

I don't know that the X user is right about Obama ordering the raid on Mar-a-lago. I do know a Democrat ordered it and they were likely trying to find the intelligence report that proved Trump had nothing to do with Russia, among other things. 

There is no such report. You people simply can't grasp the difference between an interference via voter disinformation and hacked voting machines. 

And I think you do know that your Twitter buddy is FOS, because Obama had been out of government for 6+ years by the time the FBI had to go take back the classified documents that Trump stole. 

Edited March 20 by Hodad

[gatomontes99]

15 minutes ago, Hodad said:

There is no such report. You people simply can't grasp the difference between an interference via voter disinformation and hacked voting machines. 

And I think you do know that your Twitter buddy is FOS, because Obama had been out of government for 6+ years by the time the FBI had to go take back the classified documents that Trump stole. 

There was a report that Russia did not colluded with Trump. 

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/21/nx-s1-5475171/trump-gabbard-russia-2016-election

Trump's spy chief claims the Obama administration 'manufactured' intel on Russia

[Hodad]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

There was a report that Russia did not colluded with Trump. 

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/21/nx-s1-5475171/trump-gabbard-russia-2016-election

Trump's spy chief claims the Obama administration 'manufactured' intel on Russia

Doubly false. This is not about collusion and it's not about the amount Russian election interference efforts that are so thoroughly documented. It simply says that Russia didn't hack the vote counts.

Gabbard told you that's that the report said, but she lied. It is not. Read the report. Hell, read the article you posted. That's twice tonight ...

There is no contradiction. 

"Gabbard argues that these conclusions are hypocritical and poke holes – if not directly contradict – the intelligence community's 2017 assessment that Russian attempted to influence the election.

But Obama officials never claimed that Russian hackers had successfully changed votes or hacked election infrastructure at scale."

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Doubly false. This is not about collusion and it's not about the amount Russian election interference efforts that are so thoroughly documented.

Same thing!

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

There is no contradiction. 

"Gabbard argues that these conclusions are hypocritical and poke holes – if not directly contradict – the intelligence community's 2017 assessment that Russian attempted to influence the election.

But Obama officials never claimed that Russian hackers had successfully changed votes or hacked election infrastructure at scale."

I don't think Gabbard said they did and I only talked about collusion. You switched to this hacked bullshit. That is your strawman. 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Same thing!

I don't think Gabbard said they did and I only talked about collusion. You switched to this hacked bullshit. That is your strawman. 

It's the same thing, but I switched? Get your story straight. 

Again, there is no such report. Gabbard is lying about the contents. There is A report, but it simply does not show what she claims. She's playing a shell game and she's fooled you. 

Her claim (and by adoption, yours) is that the fact that an Obama-era US intelligence conclusion that Russia could not hack votes (which is what the report says) somehow undermines the basis of the subsequent Trump collusion investigation. 

That's complete bullshit, because that investigation was never premised on Russia hacking the votes, it was premised on the actual, factual Russian influence operation targeting US voters. 

I've explained this multiple times: those are two different "crimes." US intel concluding that Russia was not guilty of one thing DOES NOT mean that it was a "hoax" to investigate the Trump campaign's relationship to the  manipulation that Russia certainly did commit.  

It would be like if there was an investigation of someone for fraud, and Gabbard tried to claim that the investigation was a cynical witch hunt because it was already known that the individual hadn't participated in counterfeiting. 

It's not logical, and it's not true. It's a lie--one you repeat often. Maybe Gabbard fooled you at first, but it's been explained to you enough times that it's your lie now. Would be great if you stopped. 

And now you're posting claims from random Twitter weirdos that Obama was ordering FBI raid years after he left office? That's just nuts. Why are you doing this? Stop.

 

Edited March 20 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Deluginal....  every time you and your fellow clowns have to revert to the TDS schtick it means you got nothing.  Like I said...it's all common knowledge and easily verifiable, which you already know.  Krasnov continues to prove his worth...

 

You leave us no choice but to blame TDS. You consistently fail to ask the pertinent questions, instead satisfying yourself with the assumption that Trump removed oil embargo on Russia because he loves Putin.

That's the logic of a child. If you dont want to be accused of TDS...try growing up.

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, User said:

Yet again, you said:

"Calling it "wrong" is about as useful and intelligent as calling it wrong for the tree bouncing the golfball you shot into it back at your nuts. "

A ball bouncing off the tree is an inevitable outcome of physics. The tree made no choice. 

Iran made a choice. 

Predicting that as a possible choice doesn't change that it is, in fact, something they chose and can be called wrong. 

I mean, with your convoluted logic, you can't say that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was wrong. It was just the predictable outcome of Ukraine's ongoing efforts to join NATO. It was just the predictable outcome; I should have known that was going to happen, just like a ball bouncing off a tree! Can't call that wrong. 

 

Oddly enough...I agree.

But this reminds me of a funny story...Just to introduce some levity...

I was golfing up in Beaverton...a beautiful course BTW...and came upon a dog-leg hole with trees around the turn. Of course...I faded my drive right into the trees. 

My ball stopped 3 feet in front of a 3 foot stump. Past that was the green. So...I took a wedge and tried to pop the ball over the stump to the green.

Well...I didn't strike the ball well. It hit the stump, bounced right back and nailed me right between the eyes.

I bogied the hole...

Edited March 20 by Nationalist

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

You leave us no choice but to blame TDS. You consistently fail to ask the pertinent questions, instead satisfying yourself with the assumption that Trump removed oil embargo on Russia because he loves Putin.

That's the logic of a child. If you dont want to be accused of TDS...try growing up.

I'd fully expect you to use the TDS thing as well.  If you can't dazzle them with brains baffle them with BS right....

Apparently facts don't align with your perception of logic. I told you this earlier and a few times since...look for yourself, it's not hard to find.

What pertinent question is there about removing Russian oil sanctions....keep oil moving to other countries because of your miscalculations?  I tend to look at this the exact opposite.... if there would be a time that sanctions would hurt Russia, it would be now.  But alas....

 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'd fully expect you to use the TDS thing as well.  If you can't dazzle them with brains baffle them with BS right....

 

Are you suggesting you can dazzle anyone with your brains? Hmm...let's see.

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Apparently facts don't align with your perception of logic. I told you this earlier and a few times since...look for yourself, it's not hard to find.

Humor me. What "facts"? Come on...dazzle me.

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What pertinent question is there about removing Russian oil sanctions....keep oil moving to other countries because of your miscalculations?  I tend to look at this the exact opposite.... if there would be a time that sanctions would hurt Russia, it would be now.  But alas

Hurting Russia at this time, also hurts you, me and everyone else and I'm sorry, but I'm not down for that.