Moonbox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 17 hours ago, User said: Once again, I did respond to what you actually said. No, you quoted what I actually said, and then decided that made up the stupidest and most ridiculous possible interpretation of that. 17 hours ago, User said: Here is you diminishing what Iran did as little more than a ball bouncing off a tree that you wouldn't call wrong: "Calling it "wrong" is about as useful and intelligent as calling it wrong for the tree bouncing the golfball you shot into it back at your nuts. " Here is you justifying what Iran did and mocking calling it wrong: "I mean, they can't fight the Americans symmetrically and this is one of their only points of leverage against the US, but they definitely should know that it's "wrong". 🙄" I'm making fun of you and your sad efforts to focus the debate on moralizing the reactions of an authoritarian and repressive dictatorship under attack. It's like you're shocked and outraged that Iran retaliated or something... Maybe you are that stupid. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 Just to emphasize a point of reality... Anyone who thinks there are "rules" or "right and wrong" acts in a war... Are destined to lose wars repeatedly. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 28 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Are you suggesting you can dazzle anyone with your brains? Hmm...let's see. No, I'm inferring you lack them. 29 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Humor me. What "facts"? Come on...dazzle me. We've been through this already in this little back and forth. You don't need me to go back and look at what's been said. 30 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hurting Russia at this time, also hurts you, me and everyone else and I'm sorry, but I'm not down for that. You're a sympathizer of Russia so it makes sense that's how you view it. In the grand scheme of things removing the sanctions have done little to nothing for where the price of oil is right now. As far as hurting them economically, yes that was the intent and purpose of oil sanctions. Fortunately for Russia though they get to see increased revenues from oil now that will continue to help them fund their war on Ukraine. There's something to be said about kicking an enemy when they're down. Too bad it didn't happen here. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 10 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: No, I'm inferring you lack them. We've been through this already in this little back and forth. You don't need me to go back and look at what's been said. So...you got nothing again but empty accusations. Understood. 12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: You're a sympathizer of Russia so it makes sense that's how you view it. In the grand scheme of things removing the sanctions have done little to nothing for where the price of oil is right now. As far as hurting them economically, yes that was the intent and purpose of oil sanctions. Fortunately for Russia though they get to see increased revenues from oil now that will continue to help them fund their war on Ukraine. There's something to be said about kicking an enemy when they're down. Too bad it didn't happen here. You're an intellectual basket case. So it makes sense that you dont know how to debate the facts as they are. I can see the logic of kicking an enemy when they're down. But can you explain, without all the empty accusations and emotional clap-trap, how removing those sanctions, is a disservice to anyone but Zelinsky? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: So...you got nothing again but empty accusations. Understood. It's not my problem you can't keep up with what's been said. 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You're an intellectual basket case. So it makes sense that you dont know how to debate the facts as they are. I can see the logic of kicking an enemy when they're down. But can you explain, without all the empty accusations and emotional clap-trap, how removing those sanctions, is a disservice to anyone but Zelinsky? It's really simple actually... Russian's invasion of Zelensky/Ukraine is the reason sanctions were imposed. Not too hard to understand is it? Of course you think doing a disservice to Ukraine is okay.... any Russian sympathizer would think exactly the same. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hodad said: It's the same thing, but I switched? Yes. The Russia collusion story is that Russia attempted to help Trump win the election. Some of the claims were that Russia hacked machines and ran influence campaigns. Also, Obama made claims that Russia wanted Trump to win the election only hours after being briefed that Russia assumed Hillary would win and they were ok with that. 6 hours ago, Hodad said: Again, there is no such report. The memo that does not exist! Another Report that does not exist! The DNI Press Release that is what Habbard actually said Yet another Report that does not exist! What those links tell us is that President Obama directed Brennan to put together two Russia collusion reports, one classified and one not. Brennan than used 3 selacios, unverified, biased and verifiably wrong reports along with 12 mundane reports to create a body of intelligence to support a false conclusion, Russia interfered with the election. In so doing, Brennan violated protocols by holding the intelligence and limiting who could view it (in the process, not allowing thise that review the report to see the intelligence), gave the intelligence a high confidence rating despite the fact that the cornerstone information was deeply flawed and then published the report with information that was excluded by agents because it was obviously false. Brennan was quoted as saying "[but] it rings true". He did all this in a compressed time frame which is outside the norms. But it got the report out just before inauguration. Two of those reports above were driven by internal CIA processes and one was a house oversight. You can run from reality all you want. As we debate this, both Brennan and Comey are being subpoenad. Edited March 20 by gatomontes99 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Nationalist Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 41 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: It's not my problem you can't keep up with what's been said. You made an accusation. I asked you to back it up. You cant. You fail. 43 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: It's really simple actually... Russian's invasion of Zelensky/Ukraine is the reason sanctions were imposed. Not too hard to understand is it? Indeed, that is why sanctions were imposed. That's the first truthful thing you've managed to say. 45 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Of course you think doing a disservice to Ukraine is okay.... any Russian sympathizer would think exactly the same. Ok again...produce my statement where I said any of this is "okay". You just cant help but continually lie through your teeth. Essentially, you will always have to lie because, you have such a childish intellect. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: You made an accusation. I asked you to back it up. You cant. You fail. You can't read or remember what you said. Is that a literacy or age related thing? 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Indeed, that is why sanctions were imposed. That's the first truthful thing you've managed to say. So you agree, but also agree with removing them. Odd... 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Ok again...produce my statement where I said any of this is "okay". You just cant help but continually lie through your teeth. Essentially, you will always have to lie because, you have such a childish intellect. The only person acting like a child here is you. I'll tell you for the last time.... you don't need my help to scroll back and to see what you've said. You've become a bore in this circular conversation... Quote
Nationalist Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said: You can't read or remember what you said. Is that a literacy or age related thing? So you agree, but also agree with removing them. Odd... The only person acting like a child here is you. I'll tell you for the last time.... you don't need my help to scroll back and to see what you've said. You've become a bore in this circular conversation... Lol...tieing twits like you in knots is not hard. See...you continually make accusations that you cant back up. That's colloquially known as "flinging shit at the wall, hoping it'll stick." News flash Dopey...it ain'-a stickin'. Run along now and hide little boy. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 16 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...tieing twits like you in knots is not hard. See...you continually make accusations that you cant back up. That's colloquially known as "flinging shit at the wall, hoping it'll stick." News flash Dopey...it ain'-a stickin'. Run along now and hide little boy. lol... fool isn't capable of remembering what she said, or looking back for that matter and I'm the little boy hiding. Carry on fool... 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 17 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: lol... fool isn't capable of remembering what she said, or looking back for that matter and I'm the little boy hiding. Carry on fool... You just got owned. Hey isn't that twice now? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You just got owned. Hey isn't that twice now? Owned...? I'm not sure you'd qualify for rent in this convo. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: So you agree, but also agree with removing them. Odd... For emphasis... No. It is not "odd" at all. I agree that the numerous mighty sanctions, were ment to impede Russia's efforts. TODAY...with the price of oil and gas skyrocketing again, just as they were coming down, relaxing the oil sanctions on Russia may not be a bad idea...considering that regardless of the mighty sanctions, Russia has continued to grow. Now...I dont really expect you to fathom that but...you are what you are. Edited March 20 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: For emphasis... No. It is not "odd" at all. I agree that the numerous mighty sanctions, were ment to impede Russia's efforts. TODAY...with the price of oil and gas skyrocketing again, just as they were coming down, relaxing the oil sanctions on Russia may not be a bad idea...considering that regardless of the mighty sanctions, Russia has continued to grow. Now...I dont really expect you to fathom that but...you are what you are. By Trump's admission removing the sanctions was to increase supply and contain pricing. Not sure about the supply, but it's done nothing for the price. Yes, Russia has continued to use shadow fleets to get around the sanctions. Your point is....what? Quote
Nationalist Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: By Trump's admission removing the sanctions was to increase supply and contain pricing. Not sure about the supply, but it's done nothing for the price. Yes, Russia has continued to use shadow fleets to get around the sanctions. Your point is....what? Lol...my point is exactly what I said. I understand...and may even agree...with removing those sanctions. It should help stabilize the global issue for a time. In the long run, I hope the US extricates itself from both Iran and Ukraine. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Yes. The Russia collusion story is that Russia attempted to help Trump win the election. Some of the claims were that Russia hacked machines and ran influence campaigns. Also, Obama made claims that Russia wanted Trump to win the election only hours after being briefed that Russia assumed Hillary would win and they were ok with that. False. Blatantly false. Do you even read the links you post? Clearly not. This is the third time in 2 days you posted citations that undermine or outright contradict the claim you are trying to support. That's a story about voter registration data being hacked before the election--not voting machines for vote manipulation. The story about Trump-Russiacollusion was always about the influence campaigns. That's the conclusion of the Mueller investigation. That's the conclusion of the Republican-led senate intelligence committee report. Russian intelligence was running an influence campaign to help Trump win. That's established fact. Trump's campaign chair (and lacky) were meeting with Russian intelligence operatives while this was happening. That's established fact. It has nothing to do with US intel's conclusion that Russia did not access voting machines. Quote The memo that does not exist! Another Report that does not exist! The DNI Press Release that is what Habbard actually said Yet another Report that does not exist! What those links tell us is that President Obama directed Brennan to put together two Russia collusion reports, one classified and one not. Brennan than used 3 selacios, unverified, biased and verifiably wrong reports along with 12 mundane reports to create a body of intelligence to support a false conclusion, Russia interfered with the election. In so doing, Brennan violated protocols by holding the intelligence and limiting who could view it (in the process, not allowing thise that review the report to see the intelligence), gave the intelligence a high confidence rating despite the fact that the cornerstone information was deeply flawed and then published the report with information that was excluded by agents because it was obviously false. Brennan was quoted as saying "[but] it rings true". He did all this in a compressed time frame which is outside the norms. But it got the report out just before inauguration. Two of those reports above were driven by internal CIA processes and one was a house oversight. You can run from reality all you want. As we debate this, both Brennan and Comey are being subpoenad. So let me get this straight. We’re supposed to believe, as you apparently do, that a multi-agency, multi-year “treasonous conspiracy” unfolded DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION involving dozens (if not hundreds) of career intelligence professionals somehow: Left behind “irrefutable evidence” ever resulted in a single criminal charge Fooled not just one investigation—but all of them Cool cool cool. Meanwhile, in the real world: The bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee—led at the time by Republicans—concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and did so in a way that benefited Trump https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf The Mueller investigation found sweeping Russian interference and numerous contacts between Trump associates and Russians https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl Even the Republican-led committee explicitly stated the intelligence community assessment was “coherent and well-constructed,” not some last-minute fiction https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume2.pdf So the “theory” here requires you to believe that, career analysts risked prison to fake intelligence, multiple oversight bodies (including Republicans) just… went along with it, and somehow none of this has held up in court, under oath, or under cross-examination. You're out of your goddamn mind, and firmly wedged up Trump's ass. Look—intelligence assessments are human creations and aren’t going to be flawless-- but your OWN DAMN LINK says that the overall analysis was deemed defensible. They involve judgment, uncertainty, and debate. They could even have been wrong in part and right overall--but that is a very different claim from “they were knowingly fabricated as part of a treason plot.”. Gabbard is not releasing intelligence. She's not cracking a case. She's servicing one of Trump's grievances. If he wants to be pissed at somebody, he should be pissed at Paul Manafort. But nah, he pardoned him for causing all of this. I wonder why? 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 7 hours ago, Hodad said: False. Blatantly false. Do you even read the links you post? Clearly not. This is the third time in 2 days you posted citations that undermine or outright contradict the claim you are trying to support. That's a story about voter registration data being hacked before the election--not voting machines for vote manipulation. Hacking the machines was absolutely a false story the left put out there: Politico: How Close Did Russia Really Come to Hacking the 2016 Election? 7 hours ago, Hodad said: We’re supposed to believe, as you apparently do, that a multi-agency, multi-year “treasonous conspiracy” unfolded DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION involving dozens (if not hundreds) of career intelligence professionals somehow: Left behind “irrefutable evidence” ever resulted in a single criminal charge Fooled not just one investigation—but all of them No. You are supposed to believe, as the evidence shows, that Brennan and Obama conspired to derive intelligence from 3 bad pieces of intelligence and fluffed it with 12 more pieces that did not say anything of consequence. Brennan fed the fake info to analysts, who called him on his bullshit mind you, to get an assessment that met Brennan's goals. 7 hours ago, Hodad said: Meanwhile, in the real world: The bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee—led at the time by Republicans—concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and did so in a way that benefited Trump https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf Based on the fake intelligence the CIA fed them. You can't appeal to authority when the authority was lied to and acted non a set of lies that were presented as facts. 7 hours ago, Hodad said: The Mueller investigation found sweeping Russian interference and numerous contacts between Trump associates and Russians https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl And zero collusion. You seem to have left that part out. 7 hours ago, Hodad said: Even the Republican-led committee explicitly stated the intelligence community assessment was “coherent and well-constructed,” not some last-minute fiction https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume2.pdf Again, they were operating with a set of lies they believed to be facts. Your entire argument boils down to: everyone believed the lies so they must be true. 7 hours ago, Hodad said: Gabbard is not releasing intelligence. She's not cracking a case. She's servicing one of Trump's grievances. If he wants to be pissed at somebody, he should be pissed at Paul Manafort. But nah, he pardoned him for causing all of this. I wonder why? Yet, Brennan and Comey were subpoenad for this exact case. Comey for providing rhe berifiably false Steele Dossier and Brennan for knowingly produce and publishing trash intelligence with the intent to hinder an elected President. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
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