herbie Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 57 minutes ago, Army Guy said: That's because all the Carbon tax has not been removed Good simplistic reason. You can't pass on savings if only part of your costs are reduced only if ALL. You're forced to pocket the difference and raise prices more. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, herbie said: Good simplistic reason. You can't pass on savings if only part of your costs are reduced only if ALL. You're forced to pocket the difference and raise prices more. You do know that prices are not controlled by the fed and provinces alone right....They don't control world events , or manufacturers taken advantage of the void, let alone all the other factors....But sure the feds lower their 17 cent consumer taxes and over 4 or 5 months the price has risen to where it was before.... That still does not change the feds/ provinces are responsible for a large portion of those prices in the way of taxes... Edited February 4 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: prices are not controlled by the fed and provinces You've noticed. So stop blaming Politician X for not being responsible for them. 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 17 hours ago, herbie said: You've noticed. So stop blaming Politician X for not being responsible for them. The vast majority of our food inflation is caused by government regulation and taxation, and the FEDS are the responsible party for the lion's share of that. There are other issues such as climate change and so on and so forth but when you look at the main contributing factors which, incidentally, includes raising immigration faster than our food industry can adjust as well as the carbon taxes etc, the feds have a great deal of control over how fast that's going up and they're choosing not to exercise it. Instead they give a gst rebate which will only spike inflation harder Edited February 4 by CdnFox 2 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Barquentine Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 22 hours ago, John Stone said: winds at his back. So he's got gas. We already knew that. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 7 hours ago, Barquentine said: So he's got gas. We already knew that. OK, i'll give you points for that, it was mildly amusing and got a snicker Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
herbie Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 19 hours ago, CdnFox said: The vast majority of our food inflation is caused by government regulation and taxation Bullshit 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, herbie said: Bullshit True shit. I know i know.... it hurts your feelings that your heroes are starving people, and you're big mad you can't blame the 'evil capitalist' businesses that actually provide and deliver food to people, but ... such is life. 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Author Report Posted February 5 On 2/3/2026 at 1:57 PM, Legato said: Are you another one of weak constitution types who easily succumb to the daily fear mongering? By PP and his merry gang of conservatives??? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Author Report Posted February 5 (edited) On 2/3/2026 at 8:19 PM, Army Guy said: You do know that prices are not controlled by the fed and provinces alone right....They don't control world events , or manufacturers taken advantage of the void, let alone all the other factors....But sure the feds lower their 17 cent consumer taxes and over 4 or 5 months the price has risen to where it was before.... That still does not change the feds/ provinces are responsible for a large portion of those prices in the way of taxes... That is what some here have been trying to tell you all along yet you are hung up on blaming the carbon tax. LOL There is no consumer tax on food.... You are, or should be, also aware that the remaining industrial carbon tax is deductible for the companies and those that have to pay is so...it is net zero and does not contribute to rising food costs? Edited February 5 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Author Report Posted February 5 (edited) On 2/4/2026 at 12:22 AM, CdnFox said: The vast majority of our food inflation is caused by government regulation and taxation, and the FEDS are the responsible party for the lion's share of that. There are other issues such as climate change and so on and so forth but when you look at the main contributing factors which, incidentally, includes raising immigration faster than our food industry can adjust as well as the carbon taxes etc, the feds have a great deal of control over how fast that's going up and they're choosing not to exercise it. Instead they give a gst rebate which will only spike inflation harder There is no tax on food LOL AI says "In Canada,most basic groceries (dairy, meat, produce, bread) are tax-free (0% GST/HST). " There is no carbon tax. There is industrial carbon tax but the producers and those companies paying it are able to deduct it off their taxes and bottom line. Oh yes...rebates spike inflation HA HA HA Edited February 5 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 36 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: By PP and his merry gang of conservatives??? The fear is palpable. 1 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Author Report Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, Legato said: The fear is palpable. HA HA HA Fear?? Of PP? Of the followers of PP? HA HA HA. Another side splitting piece of humour form legoman HA HA HA Why are you so enamoured by PP??? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: HA HA HA Fear?? Of PP? Of the followers of PP? HA HA HA. Another side splitting piece of humour form legoman HA HA HA Why are you so enamoured by PP??? Enamoured??? Of a politician???? What about him frightens you? 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Author Report Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, Legato said: Enamoured??? Of a politician???? What about him frightens you? Well, to be honest..it is his suits...they are not conservative blue and every time he stands up...he has to button it.. really legoman...is that all ya got LOL LOL LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Venandi Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) 16 hours ago, herbie said: Bullshit Your absolute certainty got me curious so I took the liberty of asking an AI bot... which was head and shoulders more polite than your a$$ BTW: So, is the bot right? Actually I don't know for sure but it makes sense to me as I live in a farming community and have previously worked in the industry. BTW, the effect of last year's drought and educed yields / quality won't be heavily felt by producers until the next growing season commences. Some of the folks I know will be hard pressed to survive two such seasons in a row should this year go as badly. Primary Factors Driving Food Inflation FACTOR DESCRIPTION Economic Policies Domestic policy failures, including regulatory drag and rising compliance costs, play a significant role. Import Costs Rising costs due to import tariffs and a weak Canadian dollar have exacerbated food prices. Geopolitical Issues Global supply pressures, including the war in Ukraine, have impacted availability and prices of key food products. Climate Impacts Weather-related issues, such as droughts, have affected agricultural yields, particularly in cattle and grain. Distribution Challenges Infrastructure shortcomings, including poor logistics and transportation inefficiencies, have increased costs. Edited February 5 by Venandi Quote
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There is no tax on food LOL There is a great deal of tax on food. The gov't charges all kinds of carbon taxes and other input taxes and such on the producers and sellers of food. Lets just look at the carbon tax. There's carbon tax associated with producing the fertilizer and other components. THis must be paid by the farmer and is added to his prices. There is a carbon tax associated with storing and moving the items for processing and THAT gets added to the costs on top of what the farmer marked up, another for distribution to the end user OR to a producer who will produce a value added finished product. and all that gets marked up. "In 2025, Canadian farmers continued to express concerns regarding the financial burden of carbon pricing, despite significant policy shifts that removed the consumer-facing federal fuel charge on March 31, 2025. While the removal of the consumer carbon tax was welcomed as a relief, farmers reported that input costs remained high due to remaining industrial carbon taxes and other supply chain pressures. farmers complain of carbon taxes 2025 - Google Search Honestly it's like you WANT to look stupid. 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There is no carbon tax. There is industrial carbon tax but the producers and those companies paying it are able to deduct it off their taxes and bottom line. Nope They can't. It's not like the gst or provincial sales taxes. They cannot deduct it other than as an imput expense, which means they MUST mark it up. And the next guys do and the next guys do. Wah wah waaaaaahhh... you look like a tard yet again Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 6 hours ago, Legato said: What about him frightens you? I say again, the conspiracy loons, crackpots and MAGA that comprise the core of his base of support. Even conservatives wish they could just leave them to wander the wilderness. And now they can with such a conservative in the PMO! One who appears to be leaving the Liberal fringe to its own devices in a way Conservatives can only dream of leaving their core. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 28 minutes ago, eyeball said: I say again, the conspiracy loons, crackpots and MAGA that comprise the core of his base of support. His base is every bit as big as the liberals. It was only about a 1% difference between them last election So what you're saying is you're basing your opinion on hatred and bigotry. That's very common for the left these days Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) 38 minutes ago, CdnFox said: His base is every bit as big as the liberals. It was only about a 1% difference between them last election Sure that might have been true then but as it's been pointed out, Liberals are thrilled Conservatives have kept PP in charge. 38 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So what you're saying is you're basing your opinion on hatred and bigotry. That's very common for the left these days No. I think the average voters opinion will be settled between their wariness of the Freakers Ball and the waning point of going any farther to the right to get a conservative government. My own particular opinion is based on hilarity and ridicule. Greatest PM in Canada's history.... LMAO! Edited February 5 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: HA HA HA Fear?? Of PP? Of the followers of PP? HA HA HA. Another side splitting piece of humour form legoman HA HA HA Why are you so enamoured by PP??? You obviously live in fear of the guy. Everyone here can tell. You're obsessed and petrified it's like somehow you've managed to combine pierreophobia and Stockholme syndrome Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sure that might have been true then but as it's been pointed out, Liberals are thrilled Conservatives have kept PP in charge. No, they and you spend every waking hour insisting that we should get rid of him for our own good and that you really wanted to see him gone. Now that he's staying, it's like "er um ahhhh ... well GOOD... that's ... uh,,, that's what we wanted all along!! Ha, you fell for it!!! Ha ha! LOL Quote No. I think the average voters opinion will be settled between their wariness of the Freakers Ball and the waning point of going any farther to the right to get a conservative government. The voices in your head are not the 'average voter'. The only people in Canada who wanted Carney where the older people. And even they will see the error of their ways soon enough Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Author Report Posted February 5 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: There is a great deal of tax on food. The gov't charges all kinds of carbon taxes and other input taxes and such on the producers and sellers of food. Lets just look at the carbon tax. There's carbon tax associated with producing the fertilizer and other components. THis must be paid by the farmer and is added to his prices. There is a carbon tax associated with storing and moving the items for processing and THAT gets added to the costs on top of what the farmer marked up, another for distribution to the end user OR to a producer who will produce a value added finished product. and all that gets marked up. "In 2025, Canadian farmers continued to express concerns regarding the financial burden of carbon pricing, despite significant policy shifts that removed the consumer-facing federal fuel charge on March 31, 2025. While the removal of the consumer carbon tax was welcomed as a relief, farmers reported that input costs remained high due to remaining industrial carbon taxes and other supply chain pressures. farmers complain of carbon taxes 2025 - Google Search Honestly it's like you WANT to look stupid. Nope They can't. It's not like the gst or provincial sales taxes. They cannot deduct it other than as an imput expense, which means they MUST mark it up. And the next guys do and the next guys do. Wah wah waaaaaahhh... you look like a tard yet again Once more...confux BS banter!!! LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted February 5 Author Report Posted February 5 34 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You obviously live in fear of the guy. Everyone here can tell. You're obsessed and petrified it's like somehow you've managed to combine pierreophobia and Stockholme syndrome Keep on keeping on you degenerate pedophile LOSER LOL LOL LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
eyeball Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No, they and you spend every waking hour insisting that we should get rid of him for our own good and that you really wanted to see him gone. LMAO! No. We've simply been telling you why you needed to get rid of him. 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Now that he's staying, it's like "er um ahhhh ... well GOOD... that's ... uh,,, that's what we wanted all along!! Ha, you fell for it!!! Ha ha! LOL There's lots of laughter alright! 22 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The voices in your head are not the 'average voter'. In my case it's voices of reason. 23 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The only people in Canada who wanted Carney where the older people. And even they will see the error of their ways soon enough Notwithstanding the mere 2500 or so that reviewed Poilievre's leadership, older Canadians still seem to be looking at the wisdom of having not voted for PP. And don't forget a bunch of Dippers moved right, I'm chagrined to say. Those of us who didn't, helped prevent Carney from winning a majority. You're welcome. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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