Toronto Mosque vandalized

[gerryhatrick]

Toronto mosque vandalized after terrorism arrests

Sun 4 Jun 2006 4:16 PM ET

By Wojtek Dabrowski

TORONTO, June 4 (Reuters) - Vandals smashed 30 windows of a Toronto mosque and damaged nearby cars after the arrest of 17 suspected al Qaeda sympathizers accused of planning bomb attacks. Canadian Muslims expressed fear on Sunday that a backlash had begun.

The vandals struck overnight at the west-end mosque, a police official said on Sunday. A second official said he had no information on any link between the incident and the arrests, which began late Friday.

http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticl...oryId=N04204306

The cops are saying they don't know if it's related to the arrests. I think it quite obviously is.

thoughts?

[Johnny Utah]

It's wrong and plays into the hands of thugs like Bin Laden who claim the west is against Islam. The police of course are not saying it's related to the arrests as they are trying to keep control of the situation..

[August1991]

The cops are saying they don't know if it's related to the arrests. I think it quite obviously is.

thoughts?

I'm thankful you're not a cop, Gerry.

[Wilber]

The cops are saying they don't know if it's related to the arrests. I think it quite obviously is.

The cops may think so to but thinking isn't knowing.

[geoffrey]

The cops are saying they don't know if it's related to the arrests. I think it quite obviously is.

The cops may think so to but thinking isn't knowing.

Exactly, I'm not in favour of our cops realising blanket statements like 'ooo the vigilantes are out' when there is no evidence of such.

None the less, if your saying 'our' side is worse because 'we' smashed a couple windows... compared to creating a plan and buying explosives to kill hundreds (thousands?) your sadly mistaken.

Probably a few high school kids that thought they'd be tough. Hopefully they get caught. But the hell if I'm going to feel guilty about it.

[gerryhatrick]

The cops are saying they don't know if it's related to the arrests. I think it quite obviously is.

thoughts?

I'm thankful you're not a cop, Gerry.

Meaning what?

[gerryhatrick]

None the less, if your saying 'our' side is worse because 'we' smashed a couple windows... compared to creating a plan and buying explosives to kill hundreds (thousands?) your sadly mistaken.

You put the people who smashed the mosque windows on your side, and the mosque is on the side of terrorists?

You want Muslims deported as well if I remember correctly.

Very nice.

[geoffrey]

None the less, if your saying 'our' side is worse because 'we' smashed a couple windows... compared to creating a plan and buying explosives to kill hundreds (thousands?) your sadly mistaken.

You put the people who smashed the mosque windows on your side, and the mosque is on the side of terrorists?

You want Muslims deported as well if I remember correctly.

Very nice.

Nope, only Muslims that openly speak about how they love Osama and how great killing Canadians and Americans is. I'd love to see the Khadrs deported tomorrow.

I also used quotes because that's what you were implying, that our society is responsible for these attacks on muslims. I thought they were part of our society. Or are they seperate and can be attacked by society? What's the deal gerry? I'm just playing with your example and now your calling it wrong.

[theloniusfleabag]

Strange bit here,

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/Natio...rc=n060502A.xml

"We won't let that happen. Jewish history makes it clear that scapegoating and hatred are never acceptable answers," Joel Richler, chairman of the Ontario region of the CJC, said in a statement released Sunday.

The term 'scapegoat', as I understand it, came from the Jewish practice of placing all their sins upon a goat and pushing it off a cliff (or 'scape', or, escarpment)

from...

http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm

Yom Kippur is probably the most important holiday of the Jewish year. Many Jews who do not observe any other Jewish custom will refrain from work, fast and/or attend synagogue services on this day. Yom Kippur occurs on the 10th day of Tishri. The holiday is instituted at Leviticus 23:26 et seq.

The name "Yom Kippur" means "Day of Atonement,"

From kooky old Leviticus,

Lev 23:19 Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.

[GostHacked]

gerry

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...vandalized.html

Windows at the mosque were smashed and the front door was broken sometime on Saturday night or early Sunday morning, Slimi said.

No one was hurt, nothing inside was damaged and there was no looting or spray-painting, he said.

This differs alot from your story. Oh and the 'weapon' used was something heavy like a sledgehammer, pickaxe or a crowbar. Big freakin deal. I addressed this incident in another thread and this is just a useless story. It's not that big of a deal. If you had a few of them trashed at the same time or burnt them to the ground, then it would be a big deal, but this is peanuts.

Oh and nice to see them mentioning the Oklahoma City Bombing. Twice.

[gerryhatrick]

I also used quotes because that's what you were implying, that our society is responsible for these attacks on muslims. I thought they were part of our society. Or are they seperate and can be attacked by society? What's the deal gerry? I'm just playing with your example and now your calling it wrong.

Besides the fact that you were replying to Wilber, I don't see where/how I was implying anything that you claim I was.

I presented a news item, told you what the cops said, and expressed my opinion that it's quite obviously related to the arrests of the alledged terrorists.

How are you able to say I'm implying "'our' side is worse because 'we' smashed a couple windows..."?

I said the attack was motivated by the weekends events.

You rightwingers are always twisting what others say. It's an affliction.

[August1991]

The cops are saying they don't know if it's related to the arrests. I think it quite obviously is.

thoughts?

I'm thankful you're not a cop, Gerry.

Meaning what?

Meaning that the police don't jump to conclusions but you apparently do. And I'm thankful that I live in a society where people (police included) are sceptical.

I don't want to draw too great a conclusion from a small point but this whole "war on terror" amounts to defending critical thought against the obscurity of medieval religion.

[KrustyKidd]

I presented a news item, told you what the cops said, and expressed my opinion that it's quite obviously related to the arrests of the alledged terrorists.

Well you are correct. It obviously is. And, for good reason. See, cops are instructed to not stir the pot and here, if they said it was related they would be contering what they also had said earlier when they had some guy saying somethng like 'these arrests are not targeting any ethnic group.' Bullshit. Both items. Muslims were trying to conduct an act of terrorism and Muslims were targeted by vandals. Nothing mysterious about any of it and, the cops said and did what they should do.

[gerryhatrick]

Meaning what?

Meaning that the police don't jump to conclusions but you apparently do.

I'm quite sure that the police (most of them for sure) hold the same opinion as I in the matter. Police aren't stupid, you know.

Mayb you're confused over what the police can say publicaly and what they can think privately.

I don't want to draw too great a conclusion from a small point but this whole "war on terror" amounts to defending critical thought against the obscurity of medieval religion.

That doesn't even make sense. It sounds like more cloaked bigotry, is that it?

[gerryhatrick]

Well you are correct. It obviously is. And, for good reason. See, cops are instructed to not stir the pot and here, if they said it was related they would be contering what they also had said earlier when they had some guy saying somethng like 'these arrests are not targeting any ethnic group.' Bullshit. Both items. Muslims were trying to conduct an act of terrorism and Muslims were targeted by vandals. Nothing mysterious about any of it and, the cops said and did what they should do.

Yes, Krusty understands the cops more than Augustus.

I wouldn't agree that "Muslims were trying to conduct an act of terrorism" though, anymore than I would say my neighbours Catholic daughter got pregnant. He's a practicing Catholic, she's just the daughter of a Catholic.

[Charles Anthony]

Often, terrorists will stage attacks upon themselves to make them seem like greater victims or as a diversion or to rally more support against their enemy.

The attack on this mosque in Toronto might be such a situation or it might not. We do not know.

What we DO KNOW is that recently in Iraq, Sheite and Kurd muslim high-school students were dragged out of school buses and executed. The Sunni high-school students were sparred. They were executed by fellow muslims. The attack on the mosque pales in comparison but may be more complicated than we understand. We do not know what Kurds or Sunnis or Sheites say amongst eachother here in Canada.

If I had to bet, I would put down my money on the vandalism being an inside job.

Try to extrapolate and turn things around.

You are a Christian in a completely Muslim country. All Muslims around you just identify you as a Christian even though you identify yourself as an Irish Protestant/Catholic. If you attack your neighborhoud Irish Catholic/Protestant church, all of the Muslims would feel ashamed saying "Who could have vandalized this Christian church??? It must have been one of our extremist teenage thugs! Shame! Shame!" Meanwhile, you are laughing. You win two for the price of one. Nobody understands or even cares about the meaningless hatred and rivalry that you may have imported from Northern Ireland but to you it is worth being a violent vandal. Think about it.

[gerryhatrick]

Often, terrorists will stage attacks upon themselves to make them seem like greater victims or as a diversion or to rally more support against their enemy.

The attack on this mosque in Toronto might be such a situation or it might not. We do not know.

Just like all the attacks on black churches in the South. Same deal, huh?

[Charles Anthony]

"Same deal, huh?"

Was the principle expressed above too difficult to understand that it needs a diversionary tactic or off-topic example?

[Rue]

If I had to bet, I would put down my money on the vandalism being an inside job.

Man you are something. Joseph Goebels would be proud of you. Yah it was an inside job. Man why didn't I see that. I thought it was the work of the illuminati and Masons and Zionists. Thanks for setting me straight.

[Leafless]

gerryhatrick

You wrote:

"I wouldn't agree that "Muslims were trying to conduct an act of terrorism" though, anymore than I would say my neighbours Catholic daughter got pregnant. He's a practicing Catholic, she's just the daughter of a Catholic."

Well then what do you call them gerry?

You must know were talking about Islamists and their political ideology and the holy war waged on infidels.

If you think using the word Muslim's is out of line or of course dosen't include all of them...what exactly is the word you suggest we use?

Your harmless Catholic comparison does not compare to the Muslim-Islamists connection as the two go hand in hand and is a matter of how strong your religous Islam convictions are and there is no real way distinguishing who the hard core element really are.

This is owed to the failure of Muslims to leave their political garbage at home and failing to intergrate into a modern democratic society.

[Greg]

I see a few of you aren't using the quote feature when you're quoting someone elses postings.

Please, it is difficult to read your posts if you're not using the quote feature.

Thanks!

[Biblio Bibuli]

If I had to bet, I would put down my money on the vandalism being an inside job.

In gamblers jargon its "put my money down on".

You're obviously not a heavy bettor.

[Charles Anthony]

In gamblers jargon its "put my money down on".

Thank you for the clarification.

You're obviously not a heavy bettor.

Speaking of betting...

How much would I have to pay YOU to walk up the steps of a mosque with a sledge-hammer in your hand?

I bet it would have to be a lot.

I also bet that I would have to give you a huge advance so that you could hire a security force to protect you while you were there.

I also bet that you would still be scared to death.

I also bet that anybody else (even teenage punks) would have the smarts to second guess their ability to vandalize a mosque undetected.

On the other hand, if you were a frequent visitor to the mosque or you looked like one, you would easily walk right on up and inside.

[Rue]

If I had to bet, I would put down my money on the vandalism being an inside job.

In gamblers jargon its "put my money down on".

You're obviously not a heavy bettor.

Oh well then since you are only guessing its o.k. to speculate that the Muslim community did it deliberately.Few. For a second there it sounded like you were spreading malicious unsubstantiated gossip. My mistake I apologize.

[kimmy]

This confusion is an example of why Greg would like people to learn to use the board's "quote" function properly.

-k