Liberal budget...

[Gaétan]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's not how AI works.

And what you just claimed is that you already had an answer and asked AI to agree with you. That's always going to produce false results

But more condemning you didn't even mention what the hell you were trying to prove. You just made a bunch of useless statements

If you can't even articulate what you're thinking and you can't expect others to take you seriously

No, because the results are supported by public information and science. If you claim that investments in wars will benefit Canadians, then prove it—by any means you can. How exactly would Canadians profit? By selling bombs to Sudan or other criminals around the world to make those investments pay off? What you are saying on this forum is nothing more than disinformation, funded by the CIA, the American government, or similar criminal organizations.

[Gaétan]

How can François Legault or Mark Carney possibly believe that massive investments in wars could be beneficial for the population? Do they not know how to count? And then you have journalists trying to make people believe this nonsense. Who is paying them? The $150 million subsidy announced during the elections?

If you pour billions into wars, that is money you will not have for essential services like care for the elderly, breakfast programs for children, building affordable housing, dental care that most of the population cannot afford but which benefits millions, or fighting pollution by developing a hydrogen network. Do they not know how to count, or are they simply corrupt?

When the Chinese and Russians see that we are investing massively in wars, they will be on guard and threaten to kill us, as they are already doing. Studies prove that this current posture puts us in danger of being killed, whereas dialogue would be far more productive.

François Legault sees investments in wars—what hypocrites call “defense”—as a path to enrichment, even though these are 100% financed by debt. Are these normal people? Corrupt individuals or murderers are not normal. What will they do with the bombs? Sell them to Sudan or other criminals around the world to make their investments profitable?

One must suspect that the political parties supporting this budget are being manipulated by the cia or their corrupt leaders. This budget must be rejected.

[ExFlyer]

On 11/7/2025 at 9:20 PM, Army Guy said:

I'm surprised no one is talking about the budget....but rather deflecting on a floor crosser.....For a guy that is suppose to be a banker, investor , a financial wizard, why are other leading experts having doubts on this budget as it was presented....I mean i look at the numbers and say 78 bil that's a Poop ton of loonies, and what did or are we getting for it...not a whole lot really....and that's the first budget, can't wait to see the 3 rd or 4 th budget...And the liberals are touting this as the holy grail of budgets...

I like to know what liberals are think is this get the job done or is not high enough...

I fully agree the deficit is huge but, something has to be done.

We are in a crisis thanks to Donald Trump. Things need to be done to get our economy moving or at least to steady it and I think the budget ties to accomplish this.

The problem is that to get "deals" with other countries on our product/resources/agriculture, we need to first honour our existing "deals" and contracts. The bigger problem is other countries also have deals and contracts they must honour. None of this will happen overnight and some may take years to come into effect.

"Other leading experts" are unaware of the dealings and what is actually happening because Carney does not disclose what goes on during negotiations behind closed doors. These "leading experts" should be very aware of how things are done. I am not sure who these "leading experts" are but if they were in fact leading experts, they should know how things are done. 

Carney is not Trump making deal announcements without basis or fact every day. We all know Trumps"deals" are mostly hot air, proposals at best. The countries he say he has deals with also have to honour existing contracts . We also know those "deals" he speaks about are not spoken about in the countries where they supposedly occurred. Carney does not do that...he only makes announcement jointly and with facts to support them.

I know we have financial problems but I will wait and see what the deals are and when they come to fruition. I am quite sure that Canada will come out quite well but...it is not an overnight thing. 

I also am tired of PP whining about this. If he only had a security clearance, he would not be so boisterous and critical. Other political leaders are not whining because they have clearance are and briefed about situations.

 I am logic and not emotional or reactionary. I understand contracts.  I am not going to argue this. This is my opinion .

Edited November 13, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

No, because the results are supported by public informationnt, or similar criminal organizations.

That's 100% meaningless if you're loading the question.

You don't understand how any of this works do you. Go back to the guy who coded you and demand an upgrade

[Gaétan]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's 100% meaningless if you're loading the question.

You don't understand how any of this works do you. Go back to the guy who coded you and demand an upgrade

Science says they are not doing the right things—so on what basis do they claim that investments in war will be profitable? Any crackpot? If there are studies proving that it would be profitable, then let them show them. The government should not commit billions without evidence that it could benefit the population. Instead of wasting our money and plunging us into debt, we should invest in useful things. The media tries to make us believe that right-wing parties are responsible governments, yet Carney is in fact a conservative who is recklessly indebting us and will deprive us of services in order to manufacture bombs. Is he insane?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Science says they are not doing the right things—

Science doesn't interest itself in what is 'right' and 'wrong' 

YOU are deciding that and attempting to pretend that science agrees with you in a desperate attempt to lend validity to your otherwise indefensible positions.  That's not how it works. 

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

so on what basis do they claim that investments in war will be profitable?

By 'they' do you mean the voices in your head?

The rest is just nonsense.  The media hates the right. Carney is a liberal who occasionally wears a pc mask to fool the dull witted (specifically you it would seem). 

 

[I am Groot]

On 11/9/2025 at 10:14 PM, August1991 said:

Disagree. Strongly.

PBO? Canadian governments are not Ponzi schemes.

No government in Canada borrows faster than it spends. Canadian governments are sustainable.

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The US federal government is not sustainable.

It borrows faster than Americans can generate wealth. 

 

By definition, all deficit spending involves spending faster than you can generate wealth.

[I am Groot]

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On 11/11/2025 at 8:08 PM, August1991 said:

Our federal debt is now $Cdn 1.4 trillion (thanks to Justin!)

Canada's GDP is about $ Cdn 2.2 trillion.

Canada's federal debt-to-GDP is still below 100!

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Unlike the US government, Canada's federal government is not a Ponzi scheme.

Canada's real debt-to-GDP ratio is closer to 113%. They mask the reality by subtracting the value of the Canada Pension Plan, which no other country does.

Edited November 15, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 11/13/2025 at 11:01 AM, ExFlyer said:

I fully agree the deficit is huge but, something has to be done.

We are in a crisis thanks to Donald Trump.

No. We are in a crisis thanks to massively overregulated industry, a bloated, incompetent government, and the insistence on importing huge numbers of poor people to keep wages down and housing costs high. This has led to ever-increasing deficits, productivity and wealth declines, and issues of social cohesion. 

Trump is a relatively recent phenomenon who has made things worse. But if we had a well-functioning economy, with, for example, the ability to export more of our oil, gas, and resources elsewhere, he'd feel much less free to threaten us.
Bad government made us vulnerable to Trump. And bad government is continuing to keep us vulnerable to him.

On 11/13/2025 at 11:01 AM, ExFlyer said:

The problem is that to get "deals" with other countries on our product/resources/agriculture, we need to first honour our existing "deals" and contracts. The bigger problem is other countries also have deals and contracts they must honour. None of this will happen overnight and some may take years to come into effect.

Countries do not make 'deals' for trade. They may change regulations with regard to trade, but trade deals are a company-to-company thing. Carney has no say in them. Likewise, it is companies, not governments, that will invest in Canada, if they see it as profitable, or rather, more profitable than elsewhere. Right now, they don't see it that way due to massive regulation on business and industry which Carney has done nothing to remove.

On 11/13/2025 at 11:01 AM, ExFlyer said:

"Other leading experts" are unaware of the dealings and what is actually happening

Lots of fine wine and excellent dining, along with stories and gossip about other world leaders and celebrities.

On 11/13/2025 at 11:01 AM, ExFlyer said:

I also am tired of PP whining about this. If he only had a security clearance, he would not be so boisterous and critical. Other political leaders are not whining because they have clearance are and briefed about situations.

What other leaders? The NDP don't have one. The Greens have a crazed alcoholic liberal supporter as their 'leader'. The BQ doesn't give a damn and is just looking to make deals for Quebec.

 

[Gaétan]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Science doesn't interest itself in what is 'right' and 'wrong' 

YOU are deciding that and attempting to pretend that science agrees with you in a desperate attempt to lend validity to your otherwise indefensible positions.  That's not how it works. 

By 'they' do you mean the voices in your head?

The rest is just nonsense.  The media hates the right. Carney is a liberal who occasionally wears a pc mask to fool the dull witted (specifically you it would seem). 

 

Conservatives are corrupt, consciously or unconsciously, to enrich the most powerful and the wealthiest, and this is scientifically proven.

A comparative study across 129 countries demonstrates that income inequality increases corruption. The rich have more means and motivation to influence institutions, while the poor are more vulnerable and less able to hold them accountable

A Comparative Study of Inequality and Corruption on JSTOR

The article Corruption and inequality: A dangerous cocktail in Mexico shows that political corruption and the concentration of wealth (the richest 10% control 64.4% of the nation’s wealth) exacerbate poverty and violence

3_NN_Corruption-inequality_iMex20-1.pdf

Republican tax bills massively favor wealthy individuals and corporations, while increasing costs for modest-income families

By the Numbers: House Republican Tax Agenda Favors the Wealthy and Leaves Millions of Working Families Behind | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Billionaires invested nearly 2 billion USD in the 2024 U.S. elections, with a majority going to Republicans. These funds directly influence public policies to the benefit of the ultra-wealthy.

Are the very rich taking over American politics? | Brookings

Scientific data show that inequality fuels corruption and that conservative policies, in practice, tend to favor the wealthy.

Empirical evidence (Mexico, United States) illustrates how conservatives implement fiscal and economic measures that enrich a minority, often at the expense of public services and the majority.

The mechanism is clear: the more wealth is concentrated, the more elites have the capacity to influence institutions, and the more corruption becomes tolerated or institutionalized

 

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Conservatives are corrupt, consciously or unconsciously, to enrich the most powerful and the wealthiest, and this is scientifically proven.

A comparative study across 129 countries demonstrates that income inequality increases corruption. The rich have more means and motivation to influence institutions, while the poor are more vulnerable and less able to hold them accountable

A Comparative Study of Inequality and Corruption on JSTOR

The article Corruption and inequality: A dangerous cocktail in Mexico shows that political corruption and the concentration of wealth (the richest 10% control 64.4% of the nation’s wealth) exacerbate poverty and violence

3_NN_Corruption-inequality_iMex20-1.pdf

Republican tax bills massively favor wealthy individuals and corporations, while increasing costs for modest-income families

By the Numbers: House Republican Tax Agenda Favors the Wealthy and Leaves Millions of Working Families Behind | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Billionaires invested nearly 2 billion USD in the 2024 U.S. elections, with a majority going to Republicans. These funds directly influence public policies to the benefit of the ultra-wealthy.

Are the very rich taking over American politics? | Brookings

Scientific data show that inequality fuels corruption and that conservative policies, in practice, tend to favor the wealthy.

Empirical evidence (Mexico, United States) illustrates how conservatives implement fiscal and economic measures that enrich a minority, often at the expense of public services and the majority.

The mechanism is clear: the more wealth is concentrated, the more elites have the capacity to influence institutions, and the more corruption becomes tolerated or institutionalized

 

You got that wrong. All the rich people have mastered the art of weaving magic spells and own the latest version of the Necronomicon.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

No. We are in a crisis thanks to massively overregulated industry, a bloated, incompetent government, and the insistence on importing huge numbers of poor people to keep wages down and housing costs high. This has led to ever-increasing deficits, productivity and wealth declines, and issues of social cohesion. 

Trump is a relatively recent phenomenon who has made things worse. But if we had a well-functioning economy, with, for example, the ability to export more of our oil, gas, and resources elsewhere, he'd feel much less free to threaten us.
Bad government made us vulnerable to Trump. And bad government is continuing to keep us vulnerable to him.

Countries do not make 'deals' for trade. They may change regulations with regard to trade, but trade deals are a company-to-company thing. Carney has no say in them. Likewise, it is companies, not governments, that will invest in Canada, if they see it as profitable, or rather, more profitable than elsewhere. Right now, they don't see it that way due to massive regulation on business and industry which Carney has done nothing to remove.

Lots of fine wine and excellent dining, along with stories and gossip about other world leaders and celebrities.

What other leaders? The NDP don't have one. The Greens have a crazed alcoholic liberal supporter as their 'leader'. The BQ doesn't give a damn and is just looking to make deals for Quebec.

 

Of course countries make "deals".  They are contracts for services, products or resources. The thing with these "deals" and "contracts" is that they are fro certain lengths of time. They have to play our before new "deals" and Contracts" can be enacted.

We are out in the world selling our products and resources but we have to wait for existing contracts are expired to be able to get a new deal for us. We are in fact selling more LNG than we ever have before. "Canada's total exports have seen recent growth, driven primarily by increases in energy products and motor vehicles, although the overall trade picture has been volatile. In July 2025, exports rose by 0.9% following a period of decline earlier in the year, with real (volume) exports increasing by 1.6%. Despite the overall rise, there have been notable shifts, including increased exports to the UK and European Union, offset by decreased exports to China and Japan. 

 

Yes, "what other leaders" is a good question. Canada has chosen it's leader, the one they felt had the most experience and credibility.

Edited November 15, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Conservatives are corrupt, consciously or unconsciously, to enrich the most powerful and the wealthiest, and this is scientifically proven.

 

You're a liar, and that is the only thing that's scientifically proven here. There is absolutely no science whatsoever that says conservatives are corrupt consciously around consciously to enrich the most powerful

You are a liar sent here to provoke discord amongst Canadians and you feel miserably because you're so bad at it we can tell right off the bat you're not a real person

[August1991]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No. We are in a crisis thanks to massively overregulated industry, a bloated, incompetent government, and the insistence on importing huge numbers of poor people to keep wages down and housing costs high. This has led to ever-increasing deficits, productivity and wealth declines, and issues of social cohesion. 

Trump is a relatively recent phenomenon who has made things worse. But if we had a well-functioning economy, with, for example, the ability to export more of our oil, gas, and resources elsewhere, he'd feel much less free to threaten us.
Bad government made us vulnerable to Trump. And bad government is continuing to keep us vulnerable to him.

Countries do not make 'deals' for trade. They may change regulations with regard to trade, but trade deals are a company-to-company thing. Carney has no say in them. Likewise, it is companies, not governments, that will invest in Canada, if they see it as profitable, or rather, more profitable than elsewhere. Right now, they don't see it that way due to massive regulation on business and industry which Carney has done nothing to remove.

Lots of fine wine and excellent dining, along with stories and gossip about other world leaders and celebrities.

What other leaders? The NDP don't have one. The Greens have a crazed alcoholic liberal supporter as their 'leader'. The BQ doesn't give a damn and is just looking to make deals for Quebec.

 

Thanks to Harper, the REM works

[Shady]

On 11/11/2025 at 8:08 PM, August1991 said:

Our federal debt is now $Cdn 1.4 trillion (thanks to Justin!)

Canada's GDP is about $ Cdn 2.2 trillion.

Canada's federal debt-to-GDP is still below 100!

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Unlike the US government, Canada's federal government is not a Ponzi scheme.

 

The biggest problem is the debt servicing costs, which is now more than we spend federally on health care.  Debt servicing is going to surge in the next few years as the covid borrowing becomes due as well.  Serving the debt will cost Canada 70+ billion dollars a year starting in 2027.  It’s crowding out spending on other important things.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

The biggest problem is the debt servicing costs, which is now more than we spend federally on health care.  Debt servicing is going to surge in the next few years as the covid borrowing becomes due as well.  Serving the debt will cost Canada 70+ billion dollars a year starting in 2027.  It’s crowding out spending on other important things.

And delete this exposed to a very real threat. If interest rates go up the debt can very quickly become completely unserviceable.

And that can happen for several reasons. There's already one or two of the major financial houses suggesting Canada may very well find itself for the credit downgrade. That can trigger higher interest rates necessary to sell our bonds. It is possible for world interest rates to go up either through the cost of tariffs or is an anti-inflationary measure. And not just inflation in our own country, if we see inflation elsewhere the feds me have to raise their rates in other countries to combat that and we would have to raise ours to remain competitive.

Interest as we saw in the 1980s would completely bankrupt us. We're hugely exposed