Carney doubles down on his anti-Israel rhetoric

[blackbird]

PM Carney is a devout Catholic who held high positions in the Vatican and U.N. and the Catholic Church, which do not recognize Israel's right to exist as a nation.  This clearly puts him in a conflict of interest in making policies on Israel, especially advancing a two-state policy in the strident way he has.

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney are shown in this composite image.

Mark Carney says that Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he travelled to Canada.

The prime minister made the remark in an interview with British journalist Mishal Husain on her podcast released Friday. In the 37-minute episode, Carney touched on a wide range of topics. He talked about why he ran for office, what he learned from U.S. President Donald Trump and what his next steps were after recognizing Palestinian statehood.

The end goal “is a free and viable Palestinian state living side by side, peace and security, with the state of Israel,” said Carney.

The actions of the Netanyahu government, he said, “were explicitly designed to end any possibility of a state of Palestine in violation of the UN charter and going against Canadian government policy of whatever political stripe since 1947.”

Since 1947, the policy of the Canadian government has been to support a two-state solution, said Carney in September, when he officially recognized Palestinian statehood. Jewish groups condemned the choice and said it would reward and embolden Hamas terrorists. But, according to Carney, the recognition doesn’t compromise Canada’s support “for the State of Israel, its people, and their security,” — which can only “be guaranteed through the achievement of a comprehensive two-state solution.”

In the podcast, Carney said that although the U.S. disagreed with the recognition, the “common objective is the same.”

“You’re going to have to keep up the pressure on the Israeli government,” in order to achieve a Palestinian state “living side by side with a secure Israel,” Husain said to Carney. “Justin Trudeau said that Canada would honour the International Criminal Court arrest warrants i.e. Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to Canada.”

She then asked: “Does that stand under your leadership?”

“Yes,” Carney replied.

“You’d be prepared to do that?” asked Husain.

“Yes,” said the prime minister.

“We’ve let terrorist organizations turn our country into an ATM, but the leader of the only Jewish state in the world isn’t welcome here. Make it make sense,” said Casey Babb, a senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute.

“What? Hamas thanked Carney when he derailed a peace proposal on the eve of a trade deal deadline with the USA. Now Hamas is publicly executing competing Palestinian factions. But (Mark Carney) tells Bloomberg he would arrest PM Netanyahu? Astonishing!” said Conservative MP Roman Baber in a post on X.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu in November 2024. It alleged that the Israeli prime minister was “responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population” in Gaza, starting on Oct. 8, 2023.

A day earlier, on Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas terrorists murdered 1,200 people in Israel and took 251 hostages, sparking a war in the Middle East. Israel has denied claims of genocide and starvation. A BBC report found that Hamas “systematically commandeered humanitarian aid entering the Strip,” giving it to people loyal to terrorists, The Times of Israel said .

The ICC rejected Israel’s request to withdraw the arrest warrant.

The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, a Canadian advocacy group, called on the government to “unequivocally reject this perversion of justice” after the warrant was issued. It said that it has “given solace” to terrorist groups “in their war of extermination against Israel” and made a “mockery of international law.”

The Israel-Hamas war is far from over

Hamas reasserts control on streets of Gaza, turning guns on its rivals.

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Would Netanyahu be arrested if he travelled to Canada? 'Yes,' Carney says

I can't help wondering if his commitment to globalism, the World Economic Forum has something to do with it.

"Prime Minister Mark Carney, sworn in Friday, has a history with the World Economic Forum (WEF.) He is a member of its foundation board, the organization’s highest governing body, which oversees strategic direction. We may assume therefore, that he is in sympathy with the goals of the World Economic Forum."

SNELL: Carney — the World Economic Forum's new man in Ottawa?

His globalist links are massive.

"

According to his LinkedIn profile, Carney remains a finance adviser to the British government. He’s also on an advisory board for a finance firm named PIMCO. In addition, he is a board member at online payments firm Stripe, a board member for Bloomberg Philanthropies and Chair and Head of Transition Investing at Brookfield Asset Management, a major global commercial real estate firm.

Last year, Carney was awarded just shy of $1 million USD in deferred shares by Brookfield, it’s nice work if you can get it.

In addition to his business work, Carney is the United Nations Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance. He is also a board member of the World Economic Forum, a position he has held since 2010."

Carney is Trudeau's new economic adviser, who will he serve? | Toronto Sun

"Former Bank of Canada and Bank of England governor Mark Carney launched his bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party Jan. 16. His adherence to the Catholic faith is better known outside of Canada, even though he sits on the Vatican’s Steering Committee of the Council for Inclusive Capitalism.

On Jan. 16, Mark Carney launched his campaign for the leadership of the Liberal Party. If successful, the former Governor of the Bank of Canada would become the 11th Catholic prime minister of Canada.

His Catholic bona fides are rarely mentioned in Canada, but featured more prominently after his move to the U.K. In 2015, two years after taking up the helm as governor of the Bank of England, The Tablet listed Carney as the most influential Catholic in Britain. A 2021 Wall Street Journal article noted that Carney “goes to Catholic church at least once a week, meditates and is a fan of Benedictine monk Laurence Freeman, the director of the World Community of Christian Meditation.”

Now back in Canada, his Catholicism plays a negligible role in the discussion of his eligibility for the nation’s premier political post. Given that every Canadian prime minister, apart from Kim Campbell and Stephen Harper, since 1968 has been Catholic, the lack of interest in his churchmanship is hardly surprising.

What draws more attention is the prominent role Carney has taken on multiple international committees and policy-shaping initiatives since leaving the Bank of England in 2020. 

If ever there was a man who fit the profile of the Samuel P. Huntington-coined phrase “Davos Man,” it is Carney. (Davos Man is a term that describes a wealthy global “elite” who prioritizes their own interests over the common good and often describes people who attend the World Economic Forum, or WEF, in Davos). His Wikipedia page reads as a curriculum vitae of a globalizing elite. It is a profile for which he is both lauded and pilloried in equal measure."

The Catholic or the Davos Man? | The Catholic Register

Here's the thing.   Carney is a devout Catholic and has held many globalist positions, including in the Vatican and the U.N.  We know from the history of the past 70 years, the U.N. is no fan of Israel.  The U.N. passed endless resolutions against Israel.  The Catholic Church also does not recognize Israel's right to exist as a nation.  That means Carney is making decisions affecting Israel while he is in a conflict of interest as a prominent Catholic and U.N./globalist.

"The Catholic Church does not recognize Israel's right to exist as a nation. Instead, it views the Church as the spiritual continuation of the Jewish people, known as the "new Israel." This perspective is rooted in the Church's understanding of the covenant God made with Abraham, which is considered eternal and unchangeable. The Church maintains that the Jewish people have a special place in God's eternal plan, but it does not grant them a right to self-determination or the establishment of a nation-state. The Church's stance is based on its interpretation of biblical texts and theological teachings, which emphasize the Church's role as the continuation of the covenant with God. 

 

Catholic Answers+5

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Edited October 17, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I can't help wondering if his commitment to globalism, the World Economic Forum has something to do with it.

Naw, it's just good ol' Beelzebub.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

PM Carney is a devout Catholic

WTF has that got to do with anything at all besides your own hatred of Catholics?
Or you were you hoping he'd be a blithering suckhole like Diaper Donald and refuse to observe International Justice? He doesn't get to tell the Mounties who to arrest or ignore.

 

[Gaétan]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

PM Carney is a devout Catholic who held high positions in the Vatican and U.N. and the Catholic Church, which do not recognize Israel's right to exist as a nation.  This clearly puts him in a conflict of interest in making policies on Israel, especially advancing a two-state policy in the strident way he has.

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney are shown in this composite image.

Mark Carney says that Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he travelled to Canada.

The prime minister made the remark in an interview with British journalist Mishal Husain on her podcast released Friday. In the 37-minute episode, Carney touched on a wide range of topics. He talked about why he ran for office, what he learned from U.S. President Donald Trump and what his next steps were after recognizing Palestinian statehood.

The end goal “is a free and viable Palestinian state living side by side, peace and security, with the state of Israel,” said Carney.

The actions of the Netanyahu government, he said, “were explicitly designed to end any possibility of a state of Palestine in violation of the UN charter and going against Canadian government policy of whatever political stripe since 1947.”

Since 1947, the policy of the Canadian government has been to support a two-state solution, said Carney in September, when he officially recognized Palestinian statehood. Jewish groups condemned the choice and said it would reward and embolden Hamas terrorists. But, according to Carney, the recognition doesn’t compromise Canada’s support “for the State of Israel, its people, and their security,” — which can only “be guaranteed through the achievement of a comprehensive two-state solution.”

In the podcast, Carney said that although the U.S. disagreed with the recognition, the “common objective is the same.”

“You’re going to have to keep up the pressure on the Israeli government,” in order to achieve a Palestinian state “living side by side with a secure Israel,” Husain said to Carney. “Justin Trudeau said that Canada would honour the International Criminal Court arrest warrants i.e. Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to Canada.”

She then asked: “Does that stand under your leadership?”

“Yes,” Carney replied.

“You’d be prepared to do that?” asked Husain.

“Yes,” said the prime minister.

“We’ve let terrorist organizations turn our country into an ATM, but the leader of the only Jewish state in the world isn’t welcome here. Make it make sense,” said Casey Babb, a senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute.

“What? Hamas thanked Carney when he derailed a peace proposal on the eve of a trade deal deadline with the USA. Now Hamas is publicly executing competing Palestinian factions. But (Mark Carney) tells Bloomberg he would arrest PM Netanyahu? Astonishing!” said Conservative MP Roman Baber in a post on X.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu in November 2024. It alleged that the Israeli prime minister was “responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population” in Gaza, starting on Oct. 8, 2023.

A day earlier, on Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas terrorists murdered 1,200 people in Israel and took 251 hostages, sparking a war in the Middle East. Israel has denied claims of genocide and starvation. A BBC report found that Hamas “systematically commandeered humanitarian aid entering the Strip,” giving it to people loyal to terrorists, The Times of Israel said .

The ICC rejected Israel’s request to withdraw the arrest warrant.

The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, a Canadian advocacy group, called on the government to “unequivocally reject this perversion of justice” after the warrant was issued. It said that it has “given solace” to terrorist groups “in their war of extermination against Israel” and made a “mockery of international law.”

The Israel-Hamas war is far from over

Hamas reasserts control on streets of Gaza, turning guns on its rivals.

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Would Netanyahu be arrested if he travelled to Canada? 'Yes,' Carney says

I can't help wondering if his commitment to globalism, the World Economic Forum has something to do with it.

"Prime Minister Mark Carney, sworn in Friday, has a history with the World Economic Forum (WEF.) He is a member of its foundation board, the organization’s highest governing body, which oversees strategic direction. We may assume therefore, that he is in sympathy with the goals of the World Economic Forum."

SNELL: Carney — the World Economic Forum's new man in Ottawa?

His globalist links are massive.

"

According to his LinkedIn profile, Carney remains a finance adviser to the British government. He’s also on an advisory board for a finance firm named PIMCO. In addition, he is a board member at online payments firm Stripe, a board member for Bloomberg Philanthropies and Chair and Head of Transition Investing at Brookfield Asset Management, a major global commercial real estate firm.

Last year, Carney was awarded just shy of $1 million USD in deferred shares by Brookfield, it’s nice work if you can get it.

In addition to his business work, Carney is the United Nations Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance. He is also a board member of the World Economic Forum, a position he has held since 2010."

Carney is Trudeau's new economic adviser, who will he serve? | Toronto Sun

"Former Bank of Canada and Bank of England governor Mark Carney launched his bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party Jan. 16. His adherence to the Catholic faith is better known outside of Canada, even though he sits on the Vatican’s Steering Committee of the Council for Inclusive Capitalism.

On Jan. 16, Mark Carney launched his campaign for the leadership of the Liberal Party. If successful, the former Governor of the Bank of Canada would become the 11th Catholic prime minister of Canada.

His Catholic bona fides are rarely mentioned in Canada, but featured more prominently after his move to the U.K. In 2015, two years after taking up the helm as governor of the Bank of England, The Tablet listed Carney as the most influential Catholic in Britain. A 2021 Wall Street Journal article noted that Carney “goes to Catholic church at least once a week, meditates and is a fan of Benedictine monk Laurence Freeman, the director of the World Community of Christian Meditation.”

Now back in Canada, his Catholicism plays a negligible role in the discussion of his eligibility for the nation’s premier political post. Given that every Canadian prime minister, apart from Kim Campbell and Stephen Harper, since 1968 has been Catholic, the lack of interest in his churchmanship is hardly surprising.

What draws more attention is the prominent role Carney has taken on multiple international committees and policy-shaping initiatives since leaving the Bank of England in 2020. 

If ever there was a man who fit the profile of the Samuel P. Huntington-coined phrase “Davos Man,” it is Carney. (Davos Man is a term that describes a wealthy global “elite” who prioritizes their own interests over the common good and often describes people who attend the World Economic Forum, or WEF, in Davos). His Wikipedia page reads as a curriculum vitae of a globalizing elite. It is a profile for which he is both lauded and pilloried in equal measure."

The Catholic or the Davos Man? | The Catholic Register

Here's the thing.   Carney is a devout Catholic and has held many globalist positions, including in the Vatican and the U.N.  We know from the history of the past 70 years, the U.N. is no fan of Israel.  The U.N. passed endless resolutions against Israel.  The Catholic Church also does not recognize Israel's right to exist as a nation.  That means Carney is making decisions affecting Israel while he is in a conflict of interest as a prominent Catholic and U.N./globalist.

"The Catholic Church does not recognize Israel's right to exist as a nation. Instead, it views the Church as the spiritual continuation of the Jewish people, known as the "new Israel." This perspective is rooted in the Church's understanding of the covenant God made with Abraham, which is considered eternal and unchangeable. The Church maintains that the Jewish people have a special place in God's eternal plan, but it does not grant them a right to self-determination or the establishment of a nation-state. The Church's stance is based on its interpretation of biblical texts and theological teachings, which emphasize the Church's role as the continuation of the covenant with God. 

 

Catholic Answers+5

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Since you’ve provided no verse from Jesus to support your position, it logically follows that your stance aligns not with Christ, but with the adversary.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

WTF has that got to do with anything at all besides your own hatred of Catholics?

Quit lying herbie.  I don't hate Catholics.  Read the last paragraph pasted from a website.   It says the Catholic Church does not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a nation.   Carnie, a devout Catholic, is pushing the two-state nonsense.  That would make Israel very weak and unable to survive.

[herbie]

You disrespect the Catholic faith at every chance you get. And now you imply Carney bases govt policy on his Catholicism. One of the most bizarre conspiracy theories to date.

 

[suds]

Our present Liberal government which supports a 2 state solution and has therefore recognized a Palestinian state, is in fact supporting a state that doesn't support a 2 state solution and who's government is presently assassinating its political opponents in the streets. When put this way, doesn't this sound a little crazy?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, suds said:

Our present Liberal government which supports a 2 state solution and has therefore recognized a Palestinian state, is in fact supporting a state that doesn't support a 2 state solution and who's government is presently assassinating its political opponents in the streets. When put this way, doesn't this sound a little crazy?

This is why we need to have secular lefties and scientists and such in charge. Anything else is guaranteed to come up with something retarded.

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 hours ago, suds said:

Our present Liberal government which supports a 2 state solution and has therefore recognized a Palestinian state, is in fact supporting a state that doesn't support a 2 state solution and who's government is presently assassinating its political opponents in the streets. When put this way, doesn't this sound a little crazy?

There a lot of killing in the streets over there at the moment and not all of it from the Palestinian side. 

Edited October 19, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 10/17/2025 at 11:56 PM, blackbird said:

Quit lying herbie.  I don't hate Catholics.  Read the last paragraph pasted from a website.   It says the Catholic Church does not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a nation.   Carnie, a devout Catholic, is pushing the two-state nonsense.  That would make Israel very weak and unable to survive.

The Catholic Church has had diplomatic relations with Israel for thirty years. The policy of a two state solution is supported by the vast majority of countries in the world. 

[Legato]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

This is why we need to have secular lefties and scientists and such in charge. Anything else is guaranteed to come up with something retarded.

Oh noes a government run on feelings not facts. What could go wrong.

We've already had 15 years of that, are you happy?

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The Catholic Church has had diplomatic relations with Israel for thirty years. The policy of a two state solution is supported by the vast majority of countries in the world. 

Because generally the world has been anti-semitic for most of 2,000 years.  The world could care less about Israel's survival.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Because generally the world has been anti-semitic for most of 2,000 years.  The world could care less about Israel's survival.  

A very woke argument. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Oh noes a government run on feelings not facts. What could go wrong.

A lot less with scientists involved. I notice you ignored them - not so much moving the goalpost as just disappearing it completely.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

A lot less with scientists involved. I notice you ignored them - not so much moving the goalpost as just disappearing it completely.

Oh noes a government run on feelings not facts. What could go wrong.

[blackbird]

On 10/18/2025 at 12:04 PM, herbie said:

You disrespect the Catholic faith at every chance you get. And now you imply Carney bases govt policy on his Catholicism. One of the most bizarre conspiracy theories to date.

You are trying again to imply I hate Catholics which I don't.  I have had Catholic friends.   I simply disagree with the over one hundred false teachings which have been invented the last 1,500 years.  You can't worship Mary and saints and pretend you are worshiping the God of the Bible.  God has no "mother" in the Bible.   I disagree with the false teachings but do not disrespect anyone.  Disagreeing with a belief system is not hating or disrespecting anyone.  The word disrespect has no place in a discussion about beliefs.  Nobody has to agree with a false religion.  Do you disrespect Islam and Buddhism?  So why do you think I should bow down to Romanism?

Carney is a devout Catholic and held prominent positions in the Vatican, WEF and other globalist organizations.   So of course he is going to be influenced by his globalist friends.  Liberals sent 12.3 billion dollars to various other countries around the world in the 2023/2024 fiscal year.  That is what the Pope would say he should do.  The Pope is the final authority in that religion.  

Edited October 19, 2025 by blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

You are trying again to imply I hate Catholics which I don't.  I have had Catholic friends.   I simply disagree with the over one hundred false teachings which have been invented the last 1,500 years.  You can't worship Mary and saints and pretend you are worshiping the God of the Bible.  God has no "mother" in the Bible.   I disagree with the false teachings but do not disrespect anyone.  Disagreeing with a belief system is not hating or disrespecting anyone.  The word disrespect has no place in a discussion about beliefs.  Nobody has to agree with a false religion.  Do you disrespect Islam and Buddhism?  So why do you think I should bow down to Romanism?

Carney is a devout Catholic and held prominent positions in the Vatican, WEF and other globalist organizations.   So of course he is going to be influenced by his globalist friends.  Liberals sent 12.3 billion dollars to various other countries around the world in the 2023/2024 fiscal year.  That is what the Pope would say he should do.  The Pope is the final authority in that religion.  

You claim Carney is sectarian. So why is your weird anti-Catholic rhetoric ok? 

I feel like I’m delivering out-patient psychiatric care here. 

[blackbird]

51 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

You claim Carney is sectarian. So why is your weird anti-Catholic rhetoric ok? 

I feel like I’m delivering out-patient psychiatric care here. 

You make it seem like I must give you psychiatric counselling.

I would say Carney is sectarian.  All that means is he has a religion.  So do I.

What about yourself?  Do you have any religious beliefs?  Just a matter of interest.

I already explained above to herbie why I don't agree with the Catholic religion.  How do you figure that makes me anti-Catholic?  You seem to be twisting things.  Perhaps you are Catholic and think nobody should ever disagree with the religion.  Is that true?

We have some people on here like herbie who do not appear to be religious at all.  Maybe more irreligious and poke fun at people who are religious.  But strangely enough, when I say anything against Catholicism, they get their back up, at least herbie does.  Kind of hypocritical, don't you think.

He makes asinine comments about my beliefs, but whines when I say anything about Catholicism.

All I can say is don't set your hair on fire because of somebody's comments about a religion.  It won't do your health any good.

 

Edited October 20, 2025 by blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

53 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You make it seem like I must give you psychiatric counselling.

I would say Carney is sectarian.  All that means is he has a religion.  So do I.

What about yourself?  Do you have any religious beliefs?  Just a matter of interest.

I already explained above to herbie why I don't agree with the Catholic religion.  How do you figure that makes me anti-Catholic?  You seem to be twisting things.  Perhaps you are Catholic and think nobody should ever disagree with the religion.  Is that true?

We have some people on here like herbie who do not appear to be religious at all.  Maybe more irreligious and poke fun at people who are religious.  But strangely enough, when I say anything against Catholicism, they get their back up, at least herbie does.  Kind of hypocritical, don't you think.

He makes asinine comments about my beliefs, but whines when I say anything about Catholicism.

All I can say is don't set your hair on fire because of somebody's comments about a religion.  It won't do your health any good.

 

You are clearly anti-Catholic. You prove that every day with your deranged ravings here. 

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

You are clearly anti-Catholic. You prove that every day with your deranged ravings here. 

That all you got to say?  You didn't answer the question, are you Catholic?   Why not be honest and tell me where you're coming from?  I told you my position.  I am a Bible believer.  That means I don't hate Catholics.  

So you are not being honest when you say I am "anti-Catholic"...    What exactly does that accusation mean?   I disagree with the Catholic belief system.   How does that make me anti-Catholic?   

All you have to do is examine each belief in the Catechism against the Bible and you will find it is contrary to or not supported by the Bible.  It is man-made. 

We need to be honest on here and not make dishonest allegations.   Truth is important, not dishonesty.

Edited October 20, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

You are clearly anti-Catholic. You prove that every day with your deranged ravings here. 

The bottom line is if you love your neighbour, you will want them to know the truth.  Often the truth is in conflict with what your neighbour believes or supports.   Do you believe that?  Do you think a person should just keep quiet about false religion in our midst?  

"Truth and lies are more than just words—they shape our relationships, our integrity, and our walk with God. We live in a time where truth is often distorted and lies can feel easier to tell. But the Bible remains a timeless source of clarity. Scripture speaks often about the importance of telling the truth, walking in honesty, and avoiding deceit."

35+ Powerful Bible Verses About Truth And Lies

One thing you should know.   We are all only human and we try to speak the truth in love.  But the fact is some things that people hold dear are lies and falsehood and there is no simple, easy way to correct them than speaking the uncomfortable truth.  Speaking in love is always preferable, but not always possible in the sense of how people receive the truth. 

People are conditioned often to oppose what someone else says and take it as an insult if it goes against their false belief system.   That is why those who stand up for the truth are often the targets of persecution and insults.  Truth is not a welcome commodity in society often. 

Christians have been tortured and killed by the millions over the centuries for standing up for the truth.  Those are the martyrs. 

The following book called Foxe's Book of Martyrs will tell you the truth of the persecution of many martyrs down through history.

quote

CHAPTER I - History of Christian Martyrs to the First General Persecutions Under Nero Christ our Savior, in the Gospel of St. Matthew, hearing the confession of Simon Peter, who, first of all other, openly acknowledged Him to be the Son of God, and perceiving the secret hand of His Father therein, called him (alluding to his name) a rock, upon which rock He would build His Church so strong that the gates of hell should not prevail against it. In which words three things are to be noted: First, that Christ will have a Church in this world. Secondly, that the same Church should mightily be impugned, not only by the world, but also by the uttermost strength and powers of all hell. And, thirdly, that the same Church, notwithstanding the uttermost of the devil and all his malice, should continue. unquote    Read it online easily here:

FOXE'S BOOK OF MARTYRS

Edited October 20, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

43 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The bottom line is if you love your neighbour, you will want them to know the truth.  Often the truth is in conflict with what your neighbour believes or supports.   Do you believe that?  Do you think a person should just keep quiet about false religion in our midst?  

"Truth and lies are more than just words—they shape our relationships, our integrity, and our walk with God. We live in a time where truth is often distorted and lies can feel easier to tell. But the Bible remains a timeless source of clarity. Scripture speaks often about the importance of telling the truth, walking in honesty, and avoiding deceit."

35+ Powerful Bible Verses About Truth And Lies

One thing you should know.   We are all only human and we try to speak the truth in love.  But the fact is some things that people hold dear are lies and falsehood and there is no simple, easy way to correct them than speaking the uncomfortable truth.  Speaking in love is always preferable, but not always possible in the sense of how people receive the truth. 

People are conditioned often to oppose what someone else says and take it as an insult if it goes against their false belief system.   That is why those who stand up for the truth are often the targets of persecution and insults.  Truth is not a welcome commodity in society often. 

Christians have been tortured and killed by the millions over the centuries for standing up for the truth.  Those are the martyrs. 

The following book called Foxe's Book of Martyrs will tell you the truth of the persecution of many martyrs down through history.

quote

CHAPTER I - History of Christian Martyrs to the First General Persecutions Under Nero Christ our Savior, in the Gospel of St. Matthew, hearing the confession of Simon Peter, who, first of all other, openly acknowledged Him to be the Son of God, and perceiving the secret hand of His Father therein, called him (alluding to his name) a rock, upon which rock He would build His Church so strong that the gates of hell should not prevail against it. In which words three things are to be noted: First, that Christ will have a Church in this world. Secondly, that the same Church should mightily be impugned, not only by the world, but also by the uttermost strength and powers of all hell. And, thirdly, that the same Church, notwithstanding the uttermost of the devil and all his malice, should continue. unquote    Read it online easily here:

FOXE'S BOOK OF MARTYRS

Your interventions on this forum prove that you are mentally disturbed and unjust, completely opposed to what God wants from you. Go see a psychologist.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Your interventions on this forum prove that you are mentally disturbed and unjust, completely opposed to what God wants from you. Go see a psychologist.

I tried to help you in a kind way but you reject all comments and are completely irrational.  Had to put you on the ignore list so I don't have to see your trash.