Bring back capital punishment with help from MAID.

[Gaétan]

29 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Ya, but your logic only makes sense if you also assert that because Black Mambas drink water and men drink water that Black Mambas must be men as a result of it.

These are scary brutes that kill some 20,000 people every year in Africa. Personally, I'd say these hideous, aggressive, and toxic critters act more like dogmatic progressives than snakes... but that might just be me. 

 

 

These are thieves backed by foreign countries; there's nothing dogmatic about it. Do you believe they manufacture their own weapons?

[blackbird]

23 hours ago, Gaétan said:

If the Old Testament says, "This is a house," and Jesus says, "This is a house," that doesn't mean he quoted the Old Testament.

Jesus quoted many verses in the Old Testament.   Did you read them?

Of course he knew it was Holy Scripture.

Edited October 20, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

If the Old Testament says, "This is a house," and Jesus says, "This is a house," that doesn't mean he quoted the Old Testament.

"

Jesus affirmed the authority of the Old Testament as Holy Scripture in several ways:

He often cited the Old Testament during His ministry, demonstrating His knowledge and approval of its teachings. 

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus stated, "I have not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them," indicating that He came to fulfill the Old Testament. 

Jesus emphasized that the Old Testament Scriptures are God-breathed and have authority, as seen in John 10:30, where He quoted Deuteronomy 8:3, affirming the Old Testament's relevance to His teachings. 

These statements reflect Jesus' belief in the Old Testament as a source of divine revelation and guidance.

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[Venandi]

38 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Do you believe they manufacture their own weapons?

As a matter of fact I know they do... 

Do you disbelieve that which you pretend to believe in other threads or do you simply exclude Israel from consideration?

You can't have it both ways:

“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” – Genesis 12:3

For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.” – Isaiah 60:12

“The Lord builds up Jerusalem; he gathers the exiles of Israel.” – Psalm 147:2

 

Edited October 19, 2025 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"

Jesus affirmed the authority of the Old Testament as Holy Scripture in several ways:

He often cited the Old Testament during His ministry, demonstrating His knowledge and approval of its teachings. 

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus stated, "I have not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them," indicating that He came to fulfill the Old Testament. 

Jesus emphasized that the Old Testament Scriptures are God-breathed and have authority, as seen in John 10:30, where He quoted Deuteronomy 8:3, affirming the Old Testament's relevance to His teachings. 

These statements reflect Jesus' belief in the Old Testament as a source of divine revelation and guidance.

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Matthew 5:17 doesn't refer to the entirety of Moses' law, but rather to the law of loving your neighbor as yourself. And John 10:30 doesn't say that Moses' father is God—in fact, John 8:44 says it's the devil. You have a selective interpretation of crimes, because you defend Israel, which has caused over 350,000 deaths in Gaza, yet you’re outraged by a single crime committed in Canada.

[Gaétan]

29 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Do you disbelieve that which you pretend to believe in other threads or do you simply exclude Israel from consideration?

You can't have it both ways:

“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” – Genesis 12:3

For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.” – Isaiah 60:12

“The Lord builds up Jerusalem; he gathers the exiles of Israel.” – Psalm 147:2

 

The weapons used in their crimes are manufactured in your country.

[Venandi]

19 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

John 8:44 says it's the devil.

Just stop FFS... you're so profoundly ignorant it's breathtaking and it sounds like you're a student of Roboturd.

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

This particular verse actually emphasizes the contrast between those who follow the teachings of Jesus and those who reject it and choose to align themselves with deceit and violence.

Jesus was actually confronting the Pharisees here over their disbelief and hypocrisy. Instead of twisting it into something it clearly isn't maybe you should hoist it aboard and meditate on its significance.

 

Edited October 19, 2025 by Venandi

[Legato]

16 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Matthew 5:17 doesn't refer to the entirety of Moses' law, but rather to the law of loving your neighbor as yourself. And John 10:30 doesn't say that Moses' father is God—in fact, John 8:44 says it's the devil. You have a selective interpretation of crimes, because you defend Israel, which has caused over 350,000 deaths in Gaza, yet you’re outraged by a single crime committed in Canada.

The last time I found the Devil it was in the details.

[Gaétan]

6 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Just stop FFS... you are so ignorant it's breathtaking. You actually sound like a student of Roboturd.

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

This particular verse actually emphasizes the contrast between those who follow the teachings of Jesus and those who reject it and choose to align themselves with deceit and violence.

Jesus was actually confronting the Pharisees here over their disbelief and hypocrisy.

 

Jesus says: Jn 8,“You do not know me or my Father,”  38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”

This suggests that the father of the Jews is not the same as the Father of Jesus, as implied in John 8:44.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Matthew 5:17 doesn't refer to the entirety of Moses' law, but rather to the law of loving your neighbor as yourself. And John 10:30 doesn't say that Moses' father is God—in fact, John 8:44 says it's the devil. You have a selective interpretation of crimes, because you defend Israel, which has caused over 350,000 deaths in Gaza, yet you’re outraged by a single crime committed in Canada.

You are ignoring the truth to satisfy your own agenda.

[Gaétan]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are ignoring the truth to satisfy your own agenda.

I proved that's what you do…and that you are unjust

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus says: Jn 8,“You do not know me or my Father,”  38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”

This suggests that the father of the Jews is not the same as the Father of Jesus, as implied in John 8:44.

POOF... on to the next absurdity without the need to dwell on the last one eh?

I'm not going to unpack all of that for you, you're clearly more interested in argument and agenda than you are theology and ministry. 

Figure it out for yourself... or don't, either way it's never been easier to do. No need for long hours in the library or the a$$ pain of learning Greek, everything you need is condensed and available online now.

What amazes me is that false doctrines seem to multiply faster in the presence of easy information access than they did in its absence.

I didn't expect that... clearly not cynical enough eh?

Edited October 19, 2025 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

17 minutes ago, Venandi said:

POOF... on to the next absurdity without the need to dwell on the last one eh?

I'm not going to unpack all of that for you, you're clearly more interested in argument and agenda than you are theology and ministry. 

Figure it out for yourself... or don't, either way it's never been easier to do. No need for long hours in the library or the a$$ pain of learning Greek, everything you need is condensed and available online now.

What amazes me is that false doctrines seem to multiply faster in the presence of easy information access than they did in its absence.

I didn't expect that... clearly not cynical enough eh?

Jesus says: Jn 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father. 

What they heard is what Moses taught them, having received it from the devil, whereas what Jesus saw comes from the Kingdom of God

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

I proved that's what you do…and that you are unjust

If you don't accept the whole Bible as from God, you are totally mixed up.  Go talk to someone who knows the Bible and believes it.  You can't discuss anything without believing the Bible as from God.

[herbie]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If you accept the whole Bible as from God, you are totally nuts

Fixed that for you. Welcome to 2025. MEN wrote the Bible. Sane people know that.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

Fixed that for you. Welcome to 2025. MEN wrote the Bible. Sane people know that.

"

To prove that the Bible came from God, several key points can be considered:

Inspiration: Second Timothy 3:16 states, "All Scripture is inspired by God," affirming that the Bible's ultimate Author is Jehovah, guiding human writers to record His message. 

Unity and Prophecy: The Bible's unity across various authors and languages, along with its detailed prophecies, indicates divine origin and purpose. 

Self-Authenticating: The Bible claims to be God's communication, and its authority is believed to be self-authenticating, requiring no additional proof. 

Historical Context: The Bible's composition spans over 1,600 years, reflecting God's dealings with humanity and His plan for restoration. 

Personal Belief: Many individuals believe the King James Version (KJV) is the preserved and infallible word of God, supported by various reasons and personal testimonies. 

These points collectively support the belief that the Bible is the Word of God, reflecting divine inspiration and purpose.

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[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

To prove that the Bible came from God, several key points can be considered:

Inspiration: Second Timothy 3:16 states, "All Scripture is inspired by God," affirming that the Bible's ultimate Author is Jehovah, guiding human writers to record His message. 

Unity and Prophecy: The Bible's unity across various authors and languages, along with its detailed prophecies, indicates divine origin and purpose. 

Self-Authenticating: The Bible claims to be God's communication, and its authority is believed to be self-authenticating, requiring no additional proof. 

Historical Context: The Bible's composition spans over 1,600 years, reflecting God's dealings with humanity and His plan for restoration. 

Personal Belief: Many individuals believe the King James Version (KJV) is the preserved and infallible word of God, supported by various reasons and personal testimonies. 

These points collectively support the belief that the Bible is the Word of God, reflecting divine inspiration and purpose.

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Jesus references the Law of Moses or Moses himself, but never states that its source is God. The priests who made you believe these fallacies simply made it up.

John 1:17 (KJV)

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

🔹 Luke 24:44 (KJV)

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

🔹 John 5:45–46 (KJV)

"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."

🔹 John 7:19 (KJV)

"Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?" The Law to love your neighbour as yourself

🔹 John 8:5 (KJV)

"Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?"

Jean 9:28–29 (KJV)

"Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples. We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is

Edited October 19, 2025 by Gaétan

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus references the Law of Moses or Moses himself, but never states that its source is God. The priests who made you believe these fallacies simply made it up.

Wow!   You need to read Exodus and Leviticus.   The Scriptures say repeatedly in countless verses in Exodus and Leviticus "And the Lord spake unto Moses ...." or such wording.   Moses was the leader of the Israel and God used Moses to bring them out of Egypt into the promised land although they never entered the actual promised land until after Moses' death.  But it repeatedly says how the Lord spake to Moses.  You have to read it yourself.  I can point out a few places to start with.

"1  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2  Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea."   Exodus 14:1 KJV

"15  And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward: 16  But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea."  Exodus 14:15 KJV

" 26  And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen. "  Exodus 14:26 KJV

"22  So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water. 23  And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah. {Marah: that is Bitterness} 24  And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink? 25  And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them, 26  And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee. 27  And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters. "  Exodus 15:22-27  KJV

So you see in these two chapters how the Lord spoke to Moses and protected the people as Moses led them out of captivity toward the promised land.   You scan through these chapters and see often in the beginning of a chapter.   Sometimes there is a verse or two in the middle of a chapter, sometimes at the beginning of a chapter.

"10  And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, 11  And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. 12  And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: 13  There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount. {trumpet: or, cornet} 14  And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. 15  And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives."  Exodus 19:10-15 KJV

Also it says in the New Testament "16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: "  2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

That includes the whole Bible, all Scripture.

Hope that helps.

 

Edited October 20, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Wow!   You need to read Exodus and Leviticus.   The Scriptures say repeatedly in countless verses in Exodus and Leviticus "And the Lord spake unto Moses ...." or such wording.   Moses was the leader of the Israel and God used Moses to bring them out of Egypt into the promised land although they never entered the actual promised land until after Moses' death.  But it repeatedly says how the Lord spake to Moses.  You have to read it yourself.  I can point out a few places to start with.

"1  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2  Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea."   Exodus 14:1 KJV

"15  And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward: 16  But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea."  Exodus 14:15 KJV

" 26  And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen. "  Exodus 14:26 KJV

"22  So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water. 23  And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah. {Marah: that is Bitterness} 24  And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink? 25  And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them, 26  And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee. 27  And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters. "  Exodus 15:22-27  KJV

So you see in these two chapters how the Lord spoke to Moses and protected the people as Moses led them out of captivity toward the promised land.   You scan through these chapters and see often in the beginning of a chapter.   Sometimes there is a verse or two in the middle of a chapter, sometimes at the beginning of a chapter.

"10  And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, 11  And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. 12  And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: 13  There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount. {trumpet: or, cornet} 14  And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. 15  And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives."  Exodus 19:10-15 KJV

Also it says in the New Testament "16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: "  2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

That includes the whole Bible, all Scripture.

Hope that helps.

 

It’s no surprise the devil calls himself God.

[blackbird]

29 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

It’s no surprise the devil calls himself God.

That's not how Scripture is understood by anyone.  You are completely alone in that thinking.

[Gaétan]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's not how Scripture is understood by anyone.  You are completely alone in that thinking.

Because supporters of Jesus were killed by the devil’s supporters—like you.

[blackbird]

Just now, Gaétan said:

Because supporters of Jesus were killed by the devil’s supporters—like you.

I think I have spent enough time trying to help you.  Carry on.

[Gaétan]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I think I have spent enough time trying to help you.  Carry on.

You’ve never had any arguments taught by Jesus that support what the devil’s followers have planted in your mind.

[Barquentine]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

Capital punishment could act as a deterrent in some cases.  That is just common sense.

No, that is a disproven idea, but used as 'red meat' to non-thinkers lieke you.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

No, that is a disproven idea, but used as 'red meat' to non-thinkers lieke you.

One thing you have to admit, a convicted murderer who receives capital punishment, perhaps by MAID, will not kill anyone else again.   You have to agree that will eliminate a serious threat to the public and reduce incarceration costs that could be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years. 

Under the present soft-on-crime system in Canada, killers who receive "life sentences" are eligible for parole after a certain number of years.  That means the victim's relatives have to go through the grief, stress, expense, and struggle of going to parole hearings to oppose the killer's release.  How is that justice?