I am Groot Posted December 31, 2025 Author Report Posted December 31, 2025 We don't get such data in Canada because the government doesn't want us to know. 2 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Gaétan Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 On what pretext do you want to stop migrants from coming to Canada—on the pretext that a king supposedly gave it to you? Quote
I am Groot Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gaétan said: On what pretext do you want to stop migrants from coming to Canada—on the pretext that a king supposedly gave it to you? Out of self-interest, of course. Thomas Friedman has astutely characterised the West vs the rest as order vs disorder. But with over-stressed welfare systems, accelerating cultural upheaval and rising right-wing militancy, the lands of order can slide to chaos themselves. If in the next few decades we’re looking at migration on the scale I think we are, we may be required to develop a hard heart, or simply surrender to forces larger than we can control. - Lionel Shriver in The Spectator 2018 Edited January 3 by I am Groot Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
CdnFox Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 6 hours ago, Gaétan said: On what pretext do you want to stop migrants from coming to Canada—on the pretext that a king supposedly gave it to you? How about the fact that regardless of how we got it it's a sovereign nation and has been so for well over a century and a half. That alone is justification enough 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 3 hours ago, I am Groot said: If in the next few decades we’re looking at migration on the scale I think we are, we may be required to develop a hard heart, or simply surrender to forces larger than we can control. - Lionel Shriver in The Spectator 2018 We surrendered to these forces decades ago. A hard heart will likely mean blowing migrant boats out of the water like they were Venezuelan. It'll mean borders with barbed wire, mines, machine guns and drones patrolling over head. We could have avoided that by helping to make places that people are migrating from places that are worth staying in. I mean, that was the hope 35-40 years ago when everyone was talking about rising tides lifting everyone's boats. It was also hoped and expected that foreign development would help bring everyone up. But instead of all that good stuff the tide washed over most people in the world and the biggest boats were lifted far higher. Judging by recent CEO compensation reports the tide is pushing productivity gains and wealth even faster into fewer hands than before. Oh and the number of humans living under the thumbs of authoritarians is going up as well. We're looking at a case where correlation strongly implies causation. Wealth and power have always been like peas and carrots. Inequities are accelerating and yeah, we haven't seen anything yet. We'll be like the survivors in the Titanic's lifeboats - afraid to approach the poor souls floundering in the water lest they swamp the boats. It'll take a pretty hard heart alright. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: We surrendered to these forces decades ago. No we didn't. And if we have to blow boats out of the water then that's what we'll do. But it won't come to that we both know it. All we have to do is deport them back to their countries or lock them up permanently. As we saw in America when people realized that they couldn't just sneak into the country and stay there the number of attempted border crossings plummeted. And no, there's nothing we can do to rebuild somebody else's country. That's something they have to do on their own. The Americans had to learn that you cannot "Export" democracy either. Other countries can worry about other countries and if they're people trying come here we could just simply send them back and drop them off. It's not complicated 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The Americans had to learn that you cannot "Export" democracy either. Yeah, they've switched to importing authoritarianism instead. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 (edited) Canada needs immigrants to maintain its social programs and pension system but no new immigrants from third world countries and those with unadoptable cultures like majority Muslim countries, India and Pakistan. The immigration system selection must change and give a lot of points to adoptability and education and potential for future contribution. That said individuals should be assessed individually. I do not support a total regional, racial or based on majority religion ban. Edited January 3 by CITIZEN_2015 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 7 hours ago, eyeball said: Yeah, they've switched to importing authoritarianism instead. Importing? You mean the somali? 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
I am Groot Posted January 4 Author Report Posted January 4 19 hours ago, eyeball said: We surrendered to these forces decades ago. No. The Left embraced empathy without rationality and welcomed many people into this country who really aren't equipped to be successful in our society, much to our detriment. And it's continuing to do so. But the rising numbers are what have been driving support to the Right for the last decade all across the West. It's a slow drive because we're all raised to elevate selfless empathy for others as our highest calling. But the Right never has always been more hard-hearted. 19 hours ago, eyeball said: A hard heart will likely mean blowing migrant boats out of the water like they were Venezuelan. It'll mean borders with barbed wire, mines, machine guns and drones patrolling over head. No. Most of the West's problems could be dealt with simply by changing the laws that encourage illegal migration and then simply sending migrants back immediately after they land. It would be that easy. Canada needs to do the same, but also massively curtail its immigration program, only allowing in those who can contribute meaningfully to our society. 19 hours ago, eyeball said: We could have avoided that by helping to make places that people are migrating from places that are worth staying in. I mean, that was the hope 35-40 years ago when everyone was talking about rising tides lifting everyone's boats. It was also hoped and expected that foreign development would help bring everyone up. A couple of things wrong with this stand out. The West has sent about $2 trillion in aid to Africa since it ended colonialism. And Africa is in worse shape now than it was back then. Giving them help evidently has not helped at all. It's possible, in fact, that all that aid has simply allowed terrible, incompetent, corrupt governments to flourish instead of being violently removed by their own furious people. We've presumed there is only one type of governmental system that is valid: ours. But democracy clearly has no place in the Muslim world, nor in Africa. These are tribal societies with little loyalty to the state compared to their tribes/clans. Instead of trying to push that on them, often tying it to aid, maybe we should have let them find their own way. And that includes letting the artificial borders we created by our colonization collapse 19 hours ago, eyeball said: But instead of all that good stuff the tide washed over most people in the world and the biggest boats were lifted far higher. Judging by recent CEO compensation reports the tide is pushing productivity gains and wealth even faster into fewer hands than before. Well, that's a matter of who we've been voting for, which is people not being willing to implement tax changes that will properly tax people on what they're making, from whatever source. Given that the politicians are no longer fishing for campaign donations, I'm going to assume there's corruption in there somewhere. It would be nice to see how the decision makers in politics get rewarded, probably after they leave office. But as we have no independent policing organization, I doubt we will. 19 hours ago, eyeball said: Oh and the number of humans living under the thumbs of authoritarians is going up as well. Oh, more likely it's because the authoritarians live in poor societies where they're still having lots of children. Their populations are rising naturally, not artificially, like ours. 19 hours ago, eyeball said: Inequities are accelerating and yeah, we haven't seen anything yet. We'll be like the survivors in the Titanic's lifeboats - afraid to approach the poor souls floundering in the water lest they swamp the boats. It'll take a pretty hard heart alright. They WILL swamp the boats. There's absolutely no question about that. We can already see how the migrants/immigrants we've taken in are pushing us lower in the water by their refusal to sit still or row. One of them is busy trying to grope the women. Another is angrily pushing everyone away so he can put his rug down on the bottom of the boat and pray. A third is stealing from people, while two more are insisting on eating our food and drinking our water while refusing to row - or rowing backwards. Again, these are people not equipped to be in our boat. And the more of them we take in, the lower in the water it will go. 1 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted January 4 Author Report Posted January 4 One of the stupidest things about immigration is the determined ignorance of those in charge - namely Liberals, but certainly shared by the rest of the Left - to insist that all people everywhere are the same. This insistence, in part, powered by cultural relativism, says that no matter where in the world people come from, they'll share pretty much the same wants, needs, and desires as we do. Or that, even if they have minor variations, they'll change them once they alight on the sacred ground of Canuckistan. This flies oddly in the face of the Left's delight in the many variations of foreign cultures (while refusing to judge any of them). How can cultures be different but still the same? The fact is, people coming from foreign cultures don't abandon them when they arrive here. Using previous immigrants from Europe as a guide is absurd. The cultures now are vastly more different from ours than most of our previous generations' immigrants possessed. And they're reinforced by religions which are often inimical to our own. And as their numbers grow, that influence grows. Stop insisting they'll integrate on their own, especially when we've assured them they don't have to. And most especially when we've also said there's no culture here to integrate into anyway. Or as someone on X from another country said the other day: "The nation is required to apologise for its existence at every public event yet simultaneously expects arriving migrants to find loyalty and respect for a system, and its history, that its own leaders appear to despise." So that's not going to happen as long as we're guilt-riddled and refuse to stand up for either ourselves or our culture and values. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
eyeball Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 38 minutes ago, I am Groot said: How can cultures be different but still the same? Good question. AFAIC the most alien people in the world are hard-boiled right-wingers. Their culture/ideology is so weird they might as well be from a different planet. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 Some cultures are so backward and brutal and anti-female and anti-human. Those cultures must be banned from entering Canada. We must close the borders to them like we did with Covid. Some cultures by far more threat to Canada than any deadly disease. Quote
Legato Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Good question. AFAIC the most alien people in the world are hard-boiled right-wingers. Their culture/ideology is so weird they might as well be from a different planet. Planet Hard Boiled Right Prime........ Planet Soft Boiled Left Sub-Prime...... Edited January 4 by Legato 4Matt 1 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted January 5 Author Report Posted January 5 (edited) 21 hours ago, eyeball said: Good question. AFAIC the most alien people in the world are hard-boiled right-wingers. Their culture/ideology is so weird they might as well be from a different planet. I'll chip in and buy you a ticket to Pakistan, if you like. See how you like the place. Edited January 5 by I am Groot Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
eyeball Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: I'll chip in and buy you a ticket to Pakistan, if you like. See how you like the place. I doubt I'd like it very much, it is a predominately conservative country after all. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: I doubt I'd like it very much, it is a predominately conservative country after all. Basically you think anyone that's even slightly right of Stalin or Castro is far right 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Basically you think anyone that's even slightly right of Stalin or Castro is far right That's usually the case. Stalin and Castro were clearly very conservative when it came to redistributing power to the people. There was nothing progressive in the least about it. By some estimates Castro's net worth was close to a billion dollars when he died. Your kinda guy for sure. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 5 Report Posted January 5 Just now, eyeball said: That's usually the case. Stalin and Castro were clearly very conservative when it came to redistributing power to the people. There was nothing progressive in the least about it. By some estimates Castro's net worth was close to a billion dollars when he died. Your kinda guy for sure. But you now think that Castro was a capitalist LOLOL Well you may be dishonest but at least you're consistent 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
I am Groot Posted January 6 Author Report Posted January 6 20 hours ago, eyeball said: I doubt I'd like it very much, it is a predominately conservative country after all. Maybe you can tell me why the Left has been so absolutely determined to bring in as many of these 'conservative' people as possible. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
eyeball Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 3 hours ago, I am Groot said: Maybe you can tell me why the Left has been so absolutely determined to bring in as many of these 'conservative' people as possible. Most of them are fleeing the rabid conservatism that exists there like it does in so much of the world. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 26 minutes ago, eyeball said: Most of them are fleeing the rabid conservatism that exists there like it does in so much of the world. And you wonder why everyone thinks you're a liar and nobody takes you seriously 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Goddess Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 (edited) Before she ran for Parliament, Freeland worked for Soros. Soros brought her in to manage Trudeau. One of his first meetings upon being elected, was with Soros and Freeland. A few months after this WEF meeting, Trudeau signed contracts with Soros' Open Society Foundation and had them draft new immigration policy for Canada. Canada, UNHCR & the Open Society Foundations Seek to Increase Refugee Resettlement through Private Sponsorship - Canada.ca It's no coincidence that every Western country started taking in masses of immigrants from incompatible cultures, to their own detriment, all at the same time. These people are not politicians, as we know them. They do not represent their countries or citizens. They are political constructs who represent a powerful group of international oligarchs who are focused on transitioning Western cultures into post-national global districts under their control and turn citizens into debt-ridden wage slaves. It's not conspiracy. You can see it happening. You're experiencing its effects. Do you not wonder how, merely hours after Maduro's capture, crowds of protesters showed up with pre-printed, identical placards all over the world? Who do you think arranged that? Who do you think paid for it? Why do you think they hate Trump so much? Why do you think they want YOU to hate Trump so much? Edited January 6 by Goddess 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Most of them are fleeing the rabid conservatism that exists there like it does in so much of the world. Your hatred of anything conservative is because you've been trained to hate conservatives by the Liberal paid-for media in Canada for decades now. That's why you think debate is treason. That's why you think dialogue is sedition. That's why you think questioning anything Liberals do is conspiracy theory. That's why you avoid serious conversation and engage mostly in name-calling and moral posturing. It's nonsense and it's pathetic. 2 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's nonsense and it's pathetic. Are you trying to win me over with debate, dialog and serious conversation here? Good job. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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