US Economy UNSTOPABLE.

[Chrissy1979]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

I find those labels somewhat irrelevant nowadays.  Regardless, I've already stated that I'm against broad based tariffs.  I'm simply stating that so far, Trump's economic experiment hasn't resulted in the doom and gloom that was predicted.  All while interest rates remain unusually high.

Yes, there will definitely be an adjustment process.

You find the concept of conservatism irrelevant because you don’t support it anymore.

[Shady]

19 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You find the concept of conservatism irrelevant because you don’t support it anymore.

No I don’t find the concept of labels very relevant.  It’s not an accent all policies choice left or right.  I think that’s a really bad way of thinking.  It turns politics into a team spurt and locks people into supporting policies they might not like or agree with.

[Chrissy1979]

Yet there are conservative policies, like limited government and low taxes, that you are now gleefully ditching because your “team” has ditched them.

[Chrissy1979]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

No I don’t find the concept of labels very relevant.  It’s not an accent all policies choice left or right.  I think that’s a really bad way of thinking.  It turns politics into a team spurt and locks people into supporting policies they might not like or agree with.

I bet if Obama were telling companies to fire their CEOs (like with Goldman Sachs), raising taxes on families, sending in the National Guard to do law enforcement, and running a record $37 trillion in debt, you would have something to say. But he wasn’t on your “team.” So continue cheering your tariffs while pretending you’re against them.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Excellent article to back your claim of slowing but look, as I have said many times, Orange man is a stable genius.

You mean he's slightly smarter than an average horse?   

Edited August 13, 2025 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yet there are conservative policies, like limited government and low taxes, that you are now gleefully ditching because your “team” has ditched them.

But he isn't. He specifically stated he's only pointing out a fact. 

You're pretending otherwise because you have no intelligent argument based on truth so you have to create a lie and argue with that. 

And i know you think "all conservatives are exactly the same and think the same things", as if they're just clones or something. That's because the people you hang out with tend to be.  No individual thought allowed or "Cancel!"

But lots of conservatives have different opinions.  Many famous conservatives have been critical of the trump tariffs, such as ben shapiro.  Others think it will result in more companies moving back to the usa, and therefore short term taxation is worth the long term benefit. 

Conservatives are normal people, and normal people can agree with SOME things and disagree about other things.  Your socialist clone zone safe spaces wouldn't know anything about that. 

[paxamericana]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

felt for years and decades

Unless you cut a deal… which every country in the G07 has already done except, Canada.

Edited August 13, 2025 by paxamericana

[Shady]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Agree... labels are irrelevant when policies impact everyone.  Country specific tariffs didn't go into full effect until August 7 and with companies stockpiling materials, the impact hasn't been seen yet with the materials/goods still not through the supply chain.  Also don't agree with the broad policy and like most have a vested interest in a stable economy so certainly not hoping for doom and gloom.  The net impact of tariff inflation aside, the longer term impact is the heavy hand with allies and trade partners that will be felt for years and decades to come as countries better diversify their trade.  Rates won't shake out until there is more clarity on tariff impact.....

I pretty much agree with all of that.

[Chrissy1979]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But he isn't. He specifically stated he's only pointing out a fact. 

You're pretending otherwise because you have no intelligent argument based on truth so you have to create a lie and argue with that. 

And i know you think "all conservatives are exactly the same and think the same things", as if they're just clones or something. That's because the people you hang out with tend to be.  No individual thought allowed or "Cancel!"

But lots of conservatives have different opinions.  Many famous conservatives have been critical of the trump tariffs, such as ben shapiro.  Others think it will result in more companies moving back to the usa, and therefore short term taxation is worth the long term benefit. 

Conservatives are normal people, and normal people can agree with SOME things and disagree about other things.  Your socialist clone zone safe spaces wouldn't know anything about that. 

Nope. Conservatives believe in limited government, balanced budgets, lower taxes, and a stable business environment. Someone who believes in the government telling companies how to run themselves, raising taxes, increasing the debt and deficit, and creating an unpredictable environment for business to operate in is not a conservative. 

You MAGAs try to ride the political coat tails of conservatives, but you are not conservatives at all. Conservatism may be a broad tent, but you're not in it.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Nope. Conservatives believe in limited government, balanced budgets, lower taxes, and a stable business environment.

Well i guess that's ONE way to shout from the rooftops that you're a bias ignorant twat  Some conservatives support all of those things, most conservatives support some of those things, but no two conservatives are the same. 

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 Someone who believes in the government telling companies how to run themselves, raising taxes, increasing the debt and deficit, and creating an unpredictable environment for business to operate in is not a conservative. 

If they believe all of those things at once, probably not. But even most conservatives would agree with some of them some of the time. They'd raise taxes to pay for the miiltiary if necessary, they'd be fine with the gov't passing reasonable workers safety regs, they have said many times they're fine with not balancing the budget right away as long as we have a clear plan in a modest time frame to get back to balanced budget, most see the benefit of spending in a recession provided it's well spent.  And i think pretty much ALL political parties agree on a stable business environment. 

 

The more you talk the more obvious it is how little you know

And your hatred and bigotry causes you to think that everyone who's right of Chairman Mao is a maga

[paxamericana]

More manufacturing business moving back to the United States.

“A May survey by Allianz Trade found that nine out of 10 U.S. firms plan to bring some or all production back home or switch to domestic suppliers following Trump’s April announcement of tariff hikes. Executives cited greater reliability and reduced geopolitical risk as key benefits, though labor shortages and supply-chain complexity remain obstacles.”

 America is hiring!

 

[Chrissy1979]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well i guess that's ONE way to shout from the rooftops that you're a bias ignorant twat  Some conservatives support all of those things, most conservatives support some of those things, but no two conservatives are the same. 

If they believe all of those things at once, probably not. But even most conservatives would agree with some of them some of the time. They'd raise taxes to pay for the miiltiary if necessary, they'd be fine with the gov't passing reasonable workers safety regs, they have said many times they're fine with not balancing the budget right away as long as we have a clear plan in a modest time frame to get back to balanced budget, most see the benefit of spending in a recession provided it's well spent.  And i think pretty much ALL political parties agree on a stable business environment. 

 

The more you talk the more obvious it is how little you know

And your hatred and bigotry causes you to think that everyone who's right of Chairman Mao is a maga

Yes, and then there are those who identify with conservatism because they like the fact they elected a pedo rapist as their leader.

[LinkSoul60]

Can't say I enjoy seeing my portfolio take the hits as Trump's ill-advised tariff plan work it's way to the US consumers wallets, but it does add a laugh to my daily early morning reads...

Producer prices rise most since March 2022 in July, blowing past estimates

Aug. 14, 2025 8:32 AM ETBy: Max Gottlich, SA News Editor

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The U.S. Producer Price Index rose 0.9% M/M in July, surpassing the 0.2% increase expected and June's unrevised flat reading, according to data released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Thursday.

On a year-over-year basis, wholesale inflation accelerated to +3.3%, well above the +2.5% consensus and +2.4% in the earlier month (revised from +2.3%). That's the largest increase since February's 3.4% rise.

Stripping out volatile food and energy costs, core PPI also jumped 0.9% sequentially in July, vs. +0.2% consensus and 0% prior (unrevised). The core measure climbed 3.7% Y/Y in July, vs. +2.9% consensus and +2.6% in the previous month (unrevised).

In a sign that tariffs are starting to drive up wholesale prices, headline and core PPI each rose by the most since March 2022.

The key takeaway from the hot PPI data is that "US corporate margins are going to thin which creates the conditions for inflation to be passed along downstream to American households," said Joseph Brusuelas in an X post, signaling pressures on consumer prices going forward.

Within final demand, over three-quarters of the broad-based increase in July can be traced to the index for final demand services, which drifted up 1.1%. Prices for final demand goods gained 0.7%.

On services PPI, more than half of the July increase was attributable to margins for final demand trade services, which surged 2.0%.

Some 30% of last month's advance in services prices can be traced to margins for machinery and equipment wholesaling, which jumped 3.8%, the BLS said. Conversely, prices for hospital outpatient care slid 0.5%.

"Producers have increased prices above costs, which means they have room to pass on the costs of tariffs down to buyers," Renaissance Macro Research wrote in an X post.

For final demand goods, 40% of the broad-based gain in July can be attributed to the index for final demand foods, perking up 1.4%. Also, one-quarter of the increase in goods PPI can be traced to a 38.9% surge in prices for fresh and dry vegetables. On the other hand, prices for gasoline retreated 1.8%, and the indexes for canned, cooked, smoked, or prepared poultry and for plastic resins and materials also fell.

"Tariffs raise import costs, and wholesalers/retailers often hike markups to protect profits—pushing PPI “services” higher," noted Michael McDonough, chief economist, Financial Products at Bloomberg.. Less foreign competition can also lift U.S.-made goods prices, so both goods and services PPI can climb even without stronger demand

 

 

[WestCanMan]

On 7/30/2025 at 11:10 AM, Boges said:

The tariffs will be inflationary. 

Why are you just blindly regurgitating CNN talking points, Boges?

Do you think that a tariff on Chinese steel raises the costs of goods in the US somehow? Is that what you really think? 

What tariffs are you expecting to hurt the US economy?

Tariffs only raise the cost of foreign goods directly. That's it. 

Sure, it gives US companies an opportunity to raise their own prices, but that also creates jobs in the US, and raises wages there.

What's happening right now is the pendulum is swinging back. It's normal. And it's even normal for it to go too far, because things have momentum. FYI covid freakouts exposed some drastic shortcomings in the whole global supply chain system, from America's POV, which Trump, and even Biden, took measures to address. Simply; the US was relying too heavily on foreign countries - even geopolitical adversaries - to make things for them which are absolutely critical to America's economy, their medical system, and even their military. The US relied on China for something like 95% of their pharmaceutical components. Most of the microchips in the world are produced in Taiwan, which could soon be 100% taken over by China. China made most on the 95 masks, etc. China, China, China.  

So the US is clawing back somewhat, but they are going too far in some areas. The Dems went against America for a long time, and Trump is going a bit too far in putting America first to the point where he's making adversaries out of America's allies.  

Edited August 14, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why are you just blindly regurgitating CNN talking points, Boges?

Do you think that a tariff on Chinese steel raises the costs of goods in the US somehow? Is that what you really think? 

What tariffs are you expecting to hurt the US economy?

Tariffs only raise the cost of foreign goods directly. That's it. 

Sure, it gives US companies an opportunity to raise their own prices, but that also creates jobs in the US, and raises wages there.

What's happening right now is the pendulum is swinging back. It's normal. And it's even normal for it to go too far, because things have momentum. FYI covid freakouts exposed some drastic shortcomings in the whole global supply chain system, from America's POV, which Trump, and even Biden, took measures to address. Simply; the US was relying too heavily on foreign countries - even geopolitical adversaries - to make things for them which are absolutely critical to America's economy, their medical system, and even their military. The US relied on China for something like 95% of their pharmaceutical components. Most of the microchips in the world are produced in Taiwan, which could soon be 100% taken over by China. China made most on the 95 masks, etc. China, China, China.  

So the US is clawing back somewhat, but they are going too far in some areas. The Dems went against America for a long time, and Trump is going a bit too far in putting America first to the point where he's making adversaries out of America's allies.  

Core inflation is up to 3% News out today that wholesale prices are at a 3 year high. 

Trump said he'd lower prices, these tariffs will do the opposite. 

[paxamericana]

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

these tariffs will do the opposite. 

Only when supplies runs out and demand remains . Long term this will not be an issue. 

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Only when supplies runs out and demand remains . Long term this will not be an issue. 

You're right because of TACO. He won't be able to continue on like this if inflation continues to rise. 

If Trump plans to benefit from all this tariff revenue, products will still need to be imported. 

If, somehow, all the consumer goods Americans buy can be onshored, that tariff revenue dries up. 

[LinkSoul60]

On-shoring is a pipe dream.  US and based companies have moved on long ago as ~4% unemployment proves.  The US doesn't have the energy infrastructure and labour pool to support, and most certainly doesn't have the consumer appetite to accept more inflation because of on-shoring.  Not going to happen...

 

[Shady]

18 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Nope. Conservatives believe in limited government, balanced budgets, lower taxes, and a stable business environment. Someone who believes in the government telling companies how to run themselves, raising taxes, increasing the debt and deficit, and creating an unpredictable environment for business to operate in is not a conservative. 

You MAGAs try to ride the political coat tails of conservatives, but you are not conservatives at all. Conservatism may be a broad tent, but you're not in it.

Nope.  Never Trumpers are just so deranged that even if you point out that the sky is blue, if Donald Trump also thinks so, you're supporting him for point that out.  Get professional help.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, and then there are those who identify with conservatism because they like the fact they elected a pedo rapist as their leader.

You're thinking of democrats.  That's different   (waives at bill and hillary)

 

Edited August 14, 2025 by CdnFox

[Shady]

43 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're right because of TACO. He won't be able to continue on like this if inflation continues to rise. 

If Trump plans to benefit from all this tariff revenue, products will still need to be imported. 

If, somehow, all the consumer goods Americans buy can be onshored, that tariff revenue dries up. 

Inflation was 0% on food, energy prices actually went down the past month.

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

Inflation was 0% on food, energy prices actually went down the past month.

The US can make their own food an energy. Except for a few very popular items like bananas, coffee and avocados. 

Oil prices are down globally. You think that will last? 

Inflation will be a lagging indicator. The full scale of these tariffs just hit last week. Let's see what inflation looks like in December when American are actually looking to buy lots of consumer goods. 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

The US can make their own food an energy. Except for a few very popular items like bananas, coffee and avocados. 

Not really. The us imports 100 billion dollars in food each year, and it's not just bananas.  It's vegetable oil, seafood, lots of meat, etc etc.

Now it's true that with some Central planning they could probably produce enough food to survive, although they would have to make do with a much more limited selection. But it would represent a massive shift in their diet and their Lifestyles how about it just wouldn't be learning to do without bananas. They would be missing and short on number of critical Staples as well

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Nope. Conservatives believe in limited government, balanced budgets, lower taxes, and a stable business environment. Someone who believes in the government telling companies how to run themselves, raising taxes, increasing the debt and deficit, and creating an unpredictable environment for business to operate in is not a conservative. 

You MAGAs try to ride the political coat tails of conservatives, but you are not conservatives at all. Conservatism may be a broad tent, but you're not in it.

I don't think I have ever seen a more coherent-seeming yet ret4rded post.

TBH, you nailed the classical definition of conservative, but today conservatives are just "anyone who's not a credulous dolt". 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Not really. The us imports 100 billion dollars in food each year, and it's not just bananas.  It's vegetable oil, seafood, lots of meat, etc etc.

Now it's true that with some Central planning they could probably produce enough food to survive, although they would have to make do with a much more limited selection. But it would represent a massive shift in their diet and their Lifestyles how about it just wouldn't be learning to do without bananas. They would be missing and short on number of critical Staples as well

I agree. These tariffs will result in higher food prices. 

Especially with the increased costs of fertilizer from Canada. 

Again these tariffs will be a lagging indicator.