So much for socialized or public health care in B.C.

[blackbird]

Why Socialism is often a disaster when it has been tried.  We also see the disaster of all levels of government's interventionist policies in our resource industries in Canada.  It has often taken 15 years for applicants to get approval to start a mine.  Of course with the Liberal C69, no more pipelines bill, and the bill banning tankers on the B.C. north coast, they have effectually killed making Canada an energy superpower.  Much of our oil reserves remain in the ground while other countries can sell their oil on world markets and make billions of dollars while Canada makes very little.  Money that is urgently needed to pay for public health care and help get Canada out of debt.  Don't hold your breath to see if the federal government changes these things.  They passed C5 ostensibly to make resource industry easier to start, but did nothing about all the blockages to building pipelines.  Why is that?

This tells it all.

Island Health (Vancouver Island) has the worst problem in ERs.  The number of people leaving without treatment has grown exponentially in the past six years.  This is not good.  Some of these people may have serious health issues that could be going without being treated.  This could lead to serious consequences.  It may involve heart problems, cancer or other serious medical problems that patients do not really understand.

 

Edited July 26, 2025 by blackbird

[Moonlight Graham]

The feds and provinces have turned their backs on the people.

The feds are now taking applications for parents/grandparents family reunification at a time with the baby boomers need healthcare and historic pressures already on our health system.

The Liberal Party is probably doing this to pander to immigrants for votes.  Either that are they're just totally incompetent, which we know they are too.   And yet the boomers voted these fools back in.  They never learn and deserve their fates.

[herbie]

WTF has it got to do with pipelines? You post a headline and then don't even mention the subject of it until the 2nd half of your post.

[paxamericana]

57 minutes ago, herbie said:

WTF has it got to do with pipelines

It’s one way to pay for the medical care you all will need in old age. 

[herbie]

Oh you blinking dummy, how does a pipeline make revenue for BC? You have an excuse being a Yank, there's enough dimwits in BC alone that think there's a significant revenue source from them.

Alberta refused them or the oil companies paying a nickel to move oil thru BC long ago and that helped Enbridge get cancelled. Some temporary jobs here building it and only a handful at export terminals.

Thanks for bringing up that line of bullshit reasoning though.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh you blinking dummy, how does a pipeline make revenue for BC? You have an excuse being a Yank, there's enough dimwits in BC alone that think there's a significant revenue source from them.

Alberta refused them or the oil companies paying a nickel to move oil thru BC long ago and that helped Enbridge get cancelled. Some temporary jobs here building it and only a handful at export terminals.

Thanks for bringing up that line of bullshit reasoning though.

Actually he's right and you're wrong. Which is disappointing considering he's an alleged yank and you should know better.

Aside from the short-term jobs in BC which are nice and all but don't make a big difference, the fact is that more activity in the oil fields means more revenue for Canada federally. It creates crazy bigger wages and more of them and that is taxable. It also stimulates secondary and tertiary jobs, all of which contribute

More tax revenues for the feds means more money available for medical transfers to the provinces. And that means more money for healthcare.

 so yes, more pipelines are one way that we could help pay for our medical costs moving forward

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh you blinking dummy, how does a pipeline make revenue for BC?

quote

In the years examined, Alberta’s taxpayers (individual and corporate) made a $561 billion gross contribution and a $272 billion net contribution to federal government finances;

The share of that coming from Alberta’s oil and gas extraction sector was, at a minimum, nearly $53 billion, or about 9 per cent of Alberta’s gross contributions and 19 per cent of its total net fiscal contribution over the period;

On an annual basis, the annual contribution of the oil and gas extraction sector has ranged from $2.7 billion to $6 billion, or about 15 per cent to just under 32 per cent of Alberta’s total net contribution to the federal government’s finances during the period.

The average annual contribution from oil and gas has been over $4.1 billion per year over the period.

The $53 billion figure is understated as it does not include indirect federal taxes on production and taxes on products (i.e., GST, excise taxes, duties, import taxes, air transportation tax, gasoline and motive fuel taxes, etc.) paid by the oil and gas extraction sector in Alberta over the period

unquote

$53 billion to Ottawa: The Alberta oil and gas sector’s contribution to federal government finances, 2007 to 2019 - Canadian Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh you blinking dummy, how does a pipeline make revenue for BC?

"The case for a new oil pipeline: What’s in it for British Columbia and Alberta?

On June 5, 2025, the Government of British Columbia (BC) approved that ongoing construction had been sufficiently commenced on a new pipeline intended to supply natural gas to a proposed floating liquefied natural gas (LNG) export terminal off the province’s north coast, therefore allowing it to continue without new permits. Given current market demands and provincial interests, it is reasonable to expect that BC should support another oil pipeline to facilitate exports from its northwest coast which would ultimately result in increased Canadian oil and gas production and the diversification of Canada’s oil and gas markets. Furthermore, it could facilitate mutually beneficial opportunities between BC and its largest provincial trading partner, Alberta.

BC-Alberta trade interdependence and economic opportunity

Alberta provides the market for most of the natural gas liquids (NGL) and all of the condensate produced from BC’s natural gas. NGL and condensate revenue (known as liquids value) is the driver behind natural gas production in western Canada. However, because natural gas prices in western Canada have been very low or even at times negative, natural gas production has only been viable in recent years due to its liquids value.

In addition, BC NGLs are a significant feedstock for Alberta’s petrochemical industry and BC condensate is used almost exclusively to blend with Alberta’s bitumen so it can be transported to export markets. Condensate alone generates billions of dollars in revenue each year for BC and its natural gas producers, making BC’s trade relationship with Alberta critical to its highly prospective natural gas industry.

An oil pipeline could also provide opportunities to increase trade and provide power security by creating a northern electrical transmission link between Alberta and BC. Such a link would increase power reliability in Alberta and BC with the potential to reduce electricity costs for consumers in both provinces.

The case for an agnostic trade corridor linking Alberta to BC’s northwest coast gives reason to believe that a new oil pipeline would serve the interests of both provinces—and of Canada as a whole. The oil and gas industries in Alberta and BC are mutually dependent on one another, and the inability to build pipelines between the two provinces represents a significant trade barrier.

For more information on this topic, please contact the author, Bernard J. Roth, KC. "

The case for a new oil pipeline: What’s in it for British Columbia and Alberta? - Global Energy Blog

[herbie]

B.C.'s North Coast tanker ban is a line we should never cross

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

Why Socialism is often a disaster when it has been tried.  We also see the disaster of all levels of government's interventionist policies in our resource industries in Canada.  It has often taken 15 years for applicants to get approval to start a mine.  Of course with the Liberal C69, no more pipelines bill, and the bill banning tankers on the B.C. north coast, they have effectually killed making Canada an energy superpower.  Much of our oil reserves remain in the ground while other countries can sell their oil on world markets and make billions of dollars while Canada makes very little.  Money that is urgently needed to pay for public health care and help get Canada out of debt.  Don't hold your breath to see if the federal government changes these things.  They passed C5 ostensibly to make resource industry easier to start, but did nothing about all the blockages to building pipelines.  Why is that?

This tells it all.

 

So...you want money for public health....oh wait...you want money for pipelines.   Where will the money come from?

Which is it? LOL

Oh and, you should actually look at Bill C69 and let us know where it implies that there will be no more piplelines.... We have lots of time...but, you will not find anything

Edited July 26, 2025 by ExFlyer

[paxamericana]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Where will the money come from?

Pipeline won’t help you if there isn’t anyone there to buy the oil. You sow the wind now reap the whirlwind. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

B.C.'s North Coast tanker ban is a line we should never cross

Fine, we can cut government funding to social programs like pharmacare and dental care and Welfare and such to make up for the loss of revenue

You leftists always think that money magically appears from nowhere out of thin air.

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Pipeline won’t help you if there isn’t anyone there to buy the oil. 

Everyone wants our oil, which we've been selling to the united states at a discount. That needs to stop and we need to sell some other buyers. Our natural gas is also hugely in demand. If we get a few pipelines going we could stop selling all of this product to the states and start selling it to people who will pay top dollar for it

The people reaping the Whirlwind will probably be you

[herbie]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Fine, we can cut government funding to social programs like pharmacare and dental care and Welfare and such to make up for the loss of revenue

Or we can cut subsidies for Big Oil and enhance those social programs.
Like, at least save your bellowing for when some outfit actually proposes a new pipeline rather than play Danielle Smith loudly demanding her wishes be made horses.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, herbie said:

Or we can cut subsidies for Big Oil and enhance those social programs.

No we can't. First off there a tiny drop in the bucket and wouldn't even come close to covering what we lose and secondly business tends to leave when you do that.

The biggest problem with the left is they don't understand how math works. 

So unfortunately our only choices to cut programs. But you're okay with that right? Slashing services to the poor and such just so that you don't have to worry about another pipeline, which is critical because..... wait, when was the last time we had a major problem with a pipeline in canada that wasn't a fairly easy fix?   Would that be never?