3. Civil War: Get Along

[August1991]

We Canadians have two languages and two religions - yet we get along.

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You Americans killed each other - like the crazy Europeans.   

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

yet we get along.

No, the Albertans and Saskatchewan pays for the whole party. You don’t really get along. Quebec was threatening to succeed if memory serves. You have internal trade barriers between your province. The money is what’s keeping everything afloat but soon enough when that dries up, it’s gonna be annexation to the Americans.

[August1991]

17 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

No, the Albertans and Saskatchewan pays for the whole party. You don’t really get along. Quebec was threatening to succeed if memory serves. You have internal trade barriers between your province.

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All true.

But unlike Europeans or Americans, we Canadians have never fought a civil war.

We Canadians have a federal state with two federal official languages but no state culture.  And we get along.

And unlike Japan, we welcome foreigners.

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

And we get along.

Wishful thinking. Have you seen the aftermath of your hockey game? 

[August1991]

4 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Wishful thinking. Have you seen the aftermath of your hockey game? 

Which game?

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You Americans killed millions in the 1860s.

Europeans killed several million over the centuries.

We Canadians get along.

[User]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

We Canadians get along.

There is simply too much ignorance in this thread to fix. 

You Canadians have been involved in numerous wars and rebellions before you became "Canada" and then more after that as you conquered any dissent or natives after you became Canada. 

 

[Legato]

We Canadians appoint people to fight on an ice thingy, a little later a hockey game breaks out.

[herbie]

14 hours ago, paxamericana said:

No, the Albertans and Saskatchewan pays for the whole party. You don’t really get along. Quebec was threatening to succeed if memory serves. You have internal trade barriers between your province. The money is what’s keeping everything afloat but soon enough when that dries up, it’s gonna be annexation to the Americans.

American 1diot or what? Saskatchewan? Decades old votes not insurrections? Totally unaware of the #1 priority of the new govt?
What money is going to dry up?

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

What money is going to dry up?

Oil money

[herbie]

Oh. You gonna buy oil from somewhere else cheaper? Stop others from buying it too?
Or has Danielle brainwashed you into thinking oil is all there is?

Do tell us on Canada Day how you know how our economy works better than us when you're letting an absolute maniac destroy your own.

[paxamericana]

On 7/1/2025 at 9:09 PM, herbie said:

Oh. You gonna buy oil from somewhere else cheaper? Stop others from buying it too?
Or has Danielle brainwashed you into thinking oil is all there is?

Do tell us on Canada Day how you know how our economy works better than us when you're letting an absolute maniac destroy your own.

Oil money is revenue surplus that the Canadian government use to pay for your public expenditure say healthcare; which at the moment, is still in deficit territory and is not expected to improve with current trends. You can choose to stuff your head in the sand or face the music but your demographic and by virtue, your tax base is drying up. Too many retiree, not enough workers, not enough young one to do the consumption that generate tax income. The last time you had enough babies for replacement was in 1970. We are now 55 years past since. Which means those folks born in  1970 and earlier are looking to retire soon if they have not done so already. And before you say immigration can solve your problem, you would need to do at a scale where Canada won't look Canadian anymore AND, there isn't simply 10 million refugee at any given time to import. The wrecking ball is coming , face the music and apply for statehood. 

Edited July 3 by paxamericana

[herbie]

Coming from a citizen of a country facing the exact same situation who's solution is to spend trillions attempting to keep oil's market position like it was still 1960 and deport anyone eho'll fill it's own shortage of workers for menial jobs while doing it's utmost to keep them 'menial' and removing everyone's social benefits...
I find that incredibly hilarious.

We'd rather join the EU where we can keep our own identity and trade fairly among each other.

So much for the usual US 'nickel on the dollar' offer.

 

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Coming from a citizen of a country facing the exact same situation who's solution is to spend trillions attempting to keep oil's market position like it was still 1960 and deport anyone eho'll fill it's own shortage of workers for menial jobs while doing it's utmost to keep them 'menial' and removing everyone's social benefits...
I find that incredibly hilarious.

We'd rather join the EU where we can keep our own identity and trade fairly among each other.

So much for the usual US 'nickel on the dollar' offer.

 

No that's where you're wrong, the US did not face the same demographic dip until recently post 2010. We are about 40 years from the same event that Canada and Europe is facing. That's plenty of time to do course correction as Trump is attempting to implement. And we never stopped immigration , we've been importing people since the founding days. Europe and Canada has only recently begin to open up immigration but it's too late for you. You would need to import your entire current population worth of 20 year old to theoretically repopulate. That, is called national dissolution. So yes decry the USA all you want but the European are facing the exact same problem. Oh and by the way there are not tens of millions of migrant even available to import at any given time. Face it, Canada is headed off a cliff. You'll be too old and weak to even maintain your own country's services let alone think about resisting annexation. If you're curious of what this looks like, look up Chinese ghost villages and cities. 

Edited July 3 by paxamericana

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

No that's where you're wrong, the US did not face the same demographic dip until recently post 2010. We are about 40 years from the same event that Canada and Europe is facing. That's plenty of time to do course correction as Trump is attempting to implement. And we never stopped immigration , we've been importing people since the founding days. Europe and Canada has only recently begin to open up immigration but it's too late for you. You would need to import your entire current population worth of 20 year old to theoretically repopulate. That, is called national dissolution. So yes decry the USA all you want but the European are facing the exact same problem. Oh and by the way there are not tens of millions of migrant even available to import at any given time. Face it, Canada is headed off a cliff. You'll be too old and weak to even maintain your own country's services let alone think about resisting annexation. If you're curious of what this looks like, look up Chinese ghost villages and cities. 

US debt to GDP is 120% and the Great Big Beautiful Bill will drive it up to over 130%. Debt servicing is now your governments second biggest  expenditure. You are only solvent as long as someone is willing to buy your debt. Who would want to join that house of cards.

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

US debt to GDP is 120% and the Great Big Beautiful Bill will drive it up to over 130%. Debt servicing is now your governments second biggest  expenditure. You are only solvent as long as someone is willing to buy your debt. Who would want to join that house of cards.

These are just Monopoly money when you are the world currency reserve and universally traded. We can print as much as needed. Yes it’s one of America’s super power that nobody gets to have. Literally an economic Trump card.

[Aristides]

53 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

These are just Monopoly money when you are the world currency reserve and universally traded. We can print as much as needed. Yes it’s one of America’s super power that nobody gets to have. Literally an economic Trump card.

Only as long as the rest of the world has confidence in your dollar, which has taken a beating against other world currencies since Trump took office. It is even down 10 cents on the Canadian dollar in spite of your five year bond paying 1.5% more than a Canadian 5 year. Why would I buy anything in USD when you currency's value is dropping? I would have to factor in the devaluation to any return I might be making.

If Trump hits foreign investors with a big withholding on capital gains and dividends, no foreign money will be coming to the US.

Edited July 4 by Aristides

[paxamericana]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Only as long as the rest of the world has confidence in your dollar, which has taken a beating against other world currencies since Trump took office. It is even down 10 cents on the Canadian dollar in spite of your five year bond paying 1.5% more than a Canadian 5 year. Why would I buy anything in USD when you currency's value is dropping? I would have to factor in the devaluation to any return I might be making.

In a simple reason, because there is nothing else that is a replacement for the USD. The demographic collapse is worse for the Asian and European. Objectively speaking people are desperate to find an alternative while bitcoin and gold bar are superficially appealing it has shown to be nothing more than grand pyramid scheme built around scarcity, the pie doesn't get bigger.Simply put, there isn't a currency that can come close to the USD in terms of stability and universality. Currency at it's deepest roots is a measure of trust I know, I'm just simply stating the fact that there is no other currency that is more trust worthy than the USD. 

Edited July 4 by paxamericana

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

In a simple reason, because there is nothing else that is a replacement for the USD. The demographic collapse is worse for the Asian and European. Objectively speaking people are desperate to find an alternative but bitcoin and gold bar are superficially appealing but is shown to be nothing more than grand pyramid scheme built around scarcity, there is just not a currency that can come close to the USD in terms of stability and universality. Currency at it's deepest roots is a measure of trust I know, I'm just simply stating the fact that there is no other currency that is more trust worthy than the USD. 

So why is your dollar declining even though your interest rates are higher?  The USD is increasingly being seen as unstable. World markets will decide the trustworthiness of the USD, not MAGATS.

There doesn't have to be a single currency to replace the USD as a safe haven, it can be several as long as they are seen as more stable.

Edited July 4 by Aristides

[paxamericana]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So why is your dollar declining even though your interest rates are higher?  The USD is increasingly being seen as unstable. World markets will decide the trustworthiness of the USD, not MAGATS.

Because of inflation and the increase in money supply. This is natural. While a few percentage points might make small time investor like you baulk, the real money would be happy just keep half of their acquired value . Because they see that most of the developed world is collapsing, everywhere the population is shrinking; this means a collapse in value. The money pie is shrinking everywhere except the US. Put your moneypocolypse lens on and you'll see the truth. So as much as you all hate Trump for shitting on everybody, he's taking a shit on the highest shining hill.

Edited July 4 by paxamericana

[Aristides]

Your interest rates have to be higher to attract investors because they see more risk. Like many, I have a fair amount of my portfolio in USD investments but I have told my adviser that I'm not interested in increasing my exposure. Certainly not when Trump is threatening things like 50% withholding on foreign investors. The man is just too unpredictable to have any confidence in putting money into the US.

Debt servicing is your #2 expense after social security, eventually 100% of your tax revenue will go into servicing debt. No investor will want your paper when that happens. They are shying away from it already.

 

[paxamericana]

Just now, Aristides said:

Your interest rates have to be higher to attract investors because they see more risk. Like many, I have a fair amount of my portfolio in USD investments but I have told my adviser that I'm not interested in increasing my exposure. Certainly not when Trump is threatening things like 50% withholding on foreign investors. The man is just too unpredictable to have any confidence in putting money into the US.

Debt servicing is your #2 expense after social security, eventually 100% of your tax revenue will go into servicing debt. No investor will want your paper when that happens. They are shying away from it already.

 

This is the heart of the matter, what is your alternative? Let me know when you find one. 

[herbie]

Another bloated boasting braggart like Trump. The Glorious Yanks as my Dad and his friends used to call them. The Ugly American as Europeans did. Back in high fashion with that Piece of Shit in Office.

[paxamericana]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

The Glorious Yanks

It's okay, you'll have to move in with your children one day. Just gota get over your own pride. 

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

This is the heart of the matter, what is your alternative? Let me know when you find one. 

The world will find one and it won't ask for your permission.

[paxamericana]

Just now, Aristides said:

The world will find one and it won't ask for your permission.

I hope it does, for whom the bell toll? It tolls for thee.