The Trump admin and ICE arrested a woman and her children who are in the U.S. legally

[User]

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Did Obama do all the things Trump and ICE are doing?  I don't think do.  Where is the humanity?  

Just gonna keep reposting this until @blackbird acknowledges it:

 

This thread is based on a lie. You said they were here legally, they were not. They filed for asylum, it was denied. Now they get deported. 

"immediately after their asylum hearing was dismissed. "

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

They actually did do the same thing. They went out, found illegals and deported them.

Both did a lot of deportations, mostly without due process.

So I am not defending what Obama did.  The U.S. in general has lost its sense of humanitarianism and justice.

Here is an article that describes both President's history of deportations.  Nothing to be proud of.  If you have any humanity you should change your attitude.  

quote

Introduction

 

Deportations have long sparked debate in the U.S., especially over whether immigrants get fair legal treatment. During Barack Obama’s presidency (2009–2016), about 3.2 million people were formally deported, while Donald Trump’s current policies, as of 2025, face heavy criticism for similar due process concerns. This article examines the facts behind Obama’s deportation record, the lack of due process in many cases, and how Trump’s approach draws parallel backlash, staying neutral and balanced.

 

 

 

Obama’s Deportation Record

 

From 2009 to 2016, Obama’s administration deported around 3.2 million immigrants through formal removal orders, with a total of 5.24 million removals and voluntary returns. The focus was on criminals and recent border crossers, earning Obama the nickname “deporter-in-chief” from critics like the ACLU. In 2013 alone, 438,421 deportations occurred, per the Migration Policy Institute. Supporters said this targeted dangerous individuals, but critics argued it tore apart families and ignored immigrants’ rights.

 

 

 

Due Process Under Obama

 

 

A major issue was the lack of due process. About 75–83% of deportations were nonjudicial, meaning they skipped immigration court. In 2012, roughly 313,000 of 419,000 deportations happened without a judge’s review, according to ACLU data. These “expedited removals” often left immigrants without lawyers or a chance to appeal. For example, many long-term U.S. residents were deported after minor offenses, with no opportunity to argue their case. Critics said this violated fairness, while defenders claimed it was efficient for border security.

 

 

 

Trump’s Deportation Policies

 

As of April 2025, Trump’s second term has ramped up deportation plans, aiming to remove millions, including criminals and undocumented immigrants. His 2017–2021 term saw about 1 million deportations, far fewer than Obama’s, but his current rhetoric promises a larger scale. ICE operations have expanded, targeting workplaces and communities, per recent web reports. Like Obama, Trump prioritizes criminals but also casts a wider net, raising fears of mass deportations.

 

 

 

Due Process Concerns with Trump

 

Trump’s policies face backlash for bypassing due process, much like Obama’s. Web sources, including NPR, note that expedited removals remain common, with many immigrants detained and deported without hearings. In 2019, 64% of deportations were nonjudicial, per the Migration Policy Institute. Critics argue Trump’s aggressive ICE raids and proposed “deportation camps” risk deporting people with U.S. ties without fair trials. Supporters say it’s necessary for law enforcement, but groups like the ACLU warn of human rights violations.

 

 

 

Comparing the Backlash

 

 

Both presidents faced criticism for similar reasons. Obama’s high deportation numbers and reliance on nonjudicial removals drew protests from immigrant advocates, who said he betrayed progressive values. Trump’s plans spark outrage for their scale and perceived cruelty, with X posts in 2025 calling them “inhumane.” Yet both used expedited removals to streamline deportations, often at the cost of legal protections. Obama’s defenders argued he balanced enforcement with reforms like DACA, while Trump’s backers claim he’s restoring order. Critics of both say due process suffered.

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

 

Obama’s 3.2 million deportations, with 75–83% lacking due process, set a precedent for efficient but controversial immigration enforcement. Trump’s ongoing policies, echoing this approach, face similar scrutiny for prioritizing speed over fairness. The debate remains heated: how should the U.S. balance security and justice? Understanding these facts helps clarify the challenges both administrations faced.

Deportations and Due Process: Comparing Obama and Trump Policies

I am not here to defend Obama or Democrats or Republicans.  How about defending humanity for a change instead of playing politics?

"Yet both used expedited removals to streamline deportations, often at the cost of legal protections."

 

Edited June 29, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Here is an article that describes both President's history of deportations.

Why do you insist on spamming the forum like this? You don't need to cut and paste the whole article...

Also:

Just gonna keep reposting this until @blackbird acknowledges it:

This thread is based on a lie. You said they were here legally, they were not. They filed for asylum, it was denied. Now they get deported. 

"immediately after their asylum hearing was dismissed. "

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Did Obama do all the things Trump and ICE are doing?  I don't think do.  Where is the humanity?  

Yeah actually he pretty much did. More of it was sort of hidden but he definitely separated children from their families, he definitely deported people, explain to me the difference.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Both did a lot of deportations, mostly without due process.

So I am not defending what Obama did.  The U.S. in general has lost its sense of humanitarianism and justice.

 

 

There is tons of due process. I'm sorry but that's just a lie to claim that this is happening without due process.

But further if Obama did it which he did, and Biden did it which incidentally he did do although on a smaller scale, and trump has done it, then it is absolutely established as being legal and normal business.

Your whole claim today has been that this is all about what a terrible person trump is. And that this isn't how things are supposed to be. Now you admit that it is the way things are supposed to be and always have been. 

So again we're back to the same old thing. You don't like it! Your feelings are hurt! You believe the law and the policies should be different!

Fine. Make your argument but quit whining and crying as if something horrible is happening against the law which is simply not the case.

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

No. It wasn't the same under Obama.  You know that.  

You're right. It wasn't. The media and the opposition weren't freaking out. 

The previous POTUS hadn't opened the border to millions either.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

Both did a lot of deportations, mostly without due process.

So I am not defending what Obama did.  The U.S. in general has lost its sense of humanitarianism and justice.

Here is an article that describes both President's history of deportations.  Nothing to be proud of.  If you have any humanity you should change your attitude.  

quote

Introduction

 

Deportations have long sparked debate in the U.S., especially over whether immigrants get fair legal treatment. During Barack Obama’s presidency (2009–2016), about 3.2 million people were formally deported, while Donald Trump’s current policies, as of 2025, face heavy criticism for similar due process concerns. This article examines the facts behind Obama’s deportation record, the lack of due process in many cases, and how Trump’s approach draws parallel backlash, staying neutral and balanced.

 

 

 

Obama’s Deportation Record

 

From 2009 to 2016, Obama’s administration deported around 3.2 million immigrants through formal removal orders, with a total of 5.24 million removals and voluntary returns. The focus was on criminals and recent border crossers, earning Obama the nickname “deporter-in-chief” from critics like the ACLU. In 2013 alone, 438,421 deportations occurred, per the Migration Policy Institute. Supporters said this targeted dangerous individuals, but critics argued it tore apart families and ignored immigrants’ rights.

 

 

 

Due Process Under Obama

 

 

A major issue was the lack of due process. About 75–83% of deportations were nonjudicial, meaning they skipped immigration court. In 2012, roughly 313,000 of 419,000 deportations happened without a judge’s review, according to ACLU data. These “expedited removals” often left immigrants without lawyers or a chance to appeal. For example, many long-term U.S. residents were deported after minor offenses, with no opportunity to argue their case. Critics said this violated fairness, while defenders claimed it was efficient for border security.

 

 

 

Trump’s Deportation Policies

 

As of April 2025, Trump’s second term has ramped up deportation plans, aiming to remove millions, including criminals and undocumented immigrants. His 2017–2021 term saw about 1 million deportations, far fewer than Obama’s, but his current rhetoric promises a larger scale. ICE operations have expanded, targeting workplaces and communities, per recent web reports. Like Obama, Trump prioritizes criminals but also casts a wider net, raising fears of mass deportations.

 

 

 

Due Process Concerns with Trump

 

Trump’s policies face backlash for bypassing due process, much like Obama’s. Web sources, including NPR, note that expedited removals remain common, with many immigrants detained and deported without hearings. In 2019, 64% of deportations were nonjudicial, per the Migration Policy Institute. Critics argue Trump’s aggressive ICE raids and proposed “deportation camps” risk deporting people with U.S. ties without fair trials. Supporters say it’s necessary for law enforcement, but groups like the ACLU warn of human rights violations.

 

 

 

Comparing the Backlash

 

 

Both presidents faced criticism for similar reasons. Obama’s high deportation numbers and reliance on nonjudicial removals drew protests from immigrant advocates, who said he betrayed progressive values. Trump’s plans spark outrage for their scale and perceived cruelty, with X posts in 2025 calling them “inhumane.” Yet both used expedited removals to streamline deportations, often at the cost of legal protections. Obama’s defenders argued he balanced enforcement with reforms like DACA, while Trump’s backers claim he’s restoring order. Critics of both say due process suffered.

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

 

Obama’s 3.2 million deportations, with 75–83% lacking due process, set a precedent for efficient but controversial immigration enforcement. Trump’s ongoing policies, echoing this approach, face similar scrutiny for prioritizing speed over fairness. The debate remains heated: how should the U.S. balance security and justice? Understanding these facts helps clarify the challenges both administrations faced.

Deportations and Due Process: Comparing Obama and Trump Policies

I am not here to defend Obama or Democrats or Republicans.  How about defending humanity for a change instead of playing politics?

"Yet both used expedited removals to streamline deportations, often at the cost of legal protections."

 

The only reason you're so freaked out is that it's Orangemanbad doing the deportations now.

Perhaps it's time you grow up and face reality.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The only reason you're so freaked out is that it's Orangemanbad doing the deportations now.

Perhaps it's time you grow up and face reality.

OR PROPOSED A CHANGE!!!

This is the thing that's REALLY starting to honk me off,  it's been said 1 million times that this is the law, always has been, and now they're enforcing the law and they're doing so in a lawful manner,  so if you don't like this then you have to explain WHAT YOU WOULD CHANGE IN THE LAW!!!! And also make a case as to why that would be better. 

And yet.... silence.  Not a word  as to proposed changes.  Not a peep as to what the law or practice SHOULD be to be 'better'. No examples of a path to citizenship, or a deportation process that's more fair for everyone without tying up the courts forever, or anything. 

Just "orange man bad" and "fascist".

It's impossible to take these people seriously.  I look at what's happening in the states and i can say to myself "Seems a little harsh even if it is legal to punt people that fast without letting them get their affairs in  order", but that's MEANINGLESS unless someone proposes an alternative that addresses those concerns AND STILL lives up to trump's plan to deport unlawful residents. 

At this point it's just complaining for the sake of complaining 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The only reason you're so freaked out is that it's Orangemanbad doing the deportations now.

Perhaps it's time you grow up and face reality.

It's time you grow up and face the reality that you don't understand the rationale of OTHERS. AKA you're JUST GUESSING.

[Deluge]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

Did Obama do all the things Trump and ICE are doing?  I don't think do.  Where is the humanity?  

The humanity is found in putting people where they legally belong. Some belong in jail, where others belong in their own countries. It's a shame that deranged a$$holes like you continually ignore that. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's time you grow up and face the reality that you don't understand the rationale of OTHERS. AKA you're JUST GUESSING.

Oh I think i do...especially your "rationale"...Pookie.

[robosmith]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh I think i do...especially your "rationale"...Pookie.

I KNOW you are ARROGANT enough to believe you're always right because you FORGET when you've been PROVEN WRONG. LMAO

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

I KNOW you are ARROGANT enough to believe you're always right because you FORGET when you've been PROVEN WRONG. LMAO

Like I have said...I'm wrong seldom and admit it when I am.

You...make a habit of being wrong. But that's because you're on a mission to destroy someone who's so far out of your league and reach that your efforts are quite comical.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Like I have said...I'm wrong seldom and admit it when I am.

You...make a habit of being wrong. But that's because you're on a mission to destroy someone who's so far out of your league and reach that your efforts are quite comical.

(ant to god): "Smarten up LOSER!!!!"

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

I KNOW you are ARROGANT enough to believe you're always right because you FORGET when you've been PROVEN WRONG. LMAO

At least he doesn't run and hide from just about everyone who disagrees with him, like you do. 

 

[Deluge]

On 6/28/2025 at 12:09 AM, robosmith said:

^This is what the MAGA CULT and white supremacists voted for: MAWA (Make America White Again) 🤮

robowoke is a staunch member of the democracy cult. They want to brown the entire f*cking planet and turn them all into their personal democracy slaves.  

 

[Deluge]

On 6/28/2025 at 7:41 PM, blackbird said:

Both did a lot of deportations, mostly without due process.

So I am not defending what Obama did.  The U.S. in general has lost its sense of humanitarianism and justice.

Here is an article that describes both President's history of deportations.  Nothing to be proud of.  If you have any humanity you should change your attitude.  

quote

Introduction

 

Deportations have long sparked debate in the U.S., especially over whether immigrants get fair legal treatment. During Barack Obama’s presidency (2009–2016), about 3.2 million people were formally deported, while Donald Trump’s current policies, as of 2025, face heavy criticism for similar due process concerns. This article examines the facts behind Obama’s deportation record, the lack of due process in many cases, and how Trump’s approach draws parallel backlash, staying neutral and balanced.

 

 

 

Obama’s Deportation Record

 

From 2009 to 2016, Obama’s administration deported around 3.2 million immigrants through formal removal orders, with a total of 5.24 million removals and voluntary returns. The focus was on criminals and recent border crossers, earning Obama the nickname “deporter-in-chief” from critics like the ACLU. In 2013 alone, 438,421 deportations occurred, per the Migration Policy Institute. Supporters said this targeted dangerous individuals, but critics argued it tore apart families and ignored immigrants’ rights.

 

 

 

Due Process Under Obama

 

 

A major issue was the lack of due process. About 75–83% of deportations were nonjudicial, meaning they skipped immigration court. In 2012, roughly 313,000 of 419,000 deportations happened without a judge’s review, according to ACLU data. These “expedited removals” often left immigrants without lawyers or a chance to appeal. For example, many long-term U.S. residents were deported after minor offenses, with no opportunity to argue their case. Critics said this violated fairness, while defenders claimed it was efficient for border security.

 

 

 

Trump’s Deportation Policies

 

As of April 2025, Trump’s second term has ramped up deportation plans, aiming to remove millions, including criminals and undocumented immigrants. His 2017–2021 term saw about 1 million deportations, far fewer than Obama’s, but his current rhetoric promises a larger scale. ICE operations have expanded, targeting workplaces and communities, per recent web reports. Like Obama, Trump prioritizes criminals but also casts a wider net, raising fears of mass deportations.

 

 

 

Due Process Concerns with Trump

 

Trump’s policies face backlash for bypassing due process, much like Obama’s. Web sources, including NPR, note that expedited removals remain common, with many immigrants detained and deported without hearings. In 2019, 64% of deportations were nonjudicial, per the Migration Policy Institute. Critics argue Trump’s aggressive ICE raids and proposed “deportation camps” risk deporting people with U.S. ties without fair trials. Supporters say it’s necessary for law enforcement, but groups like the ACLU warn of human rights violations.

 

 

 

Comparing the Backlash

 

 

Both presidents faced criticism for similar reasons. Obama’s high deportation numbers and reliance on nonjudicial removals drew protests from immigrant advocates, who said he betrayed progressive values. Trump’s plans spark outrage for their scale and perceived cruelty, with X posts in 2025 calling them “inhumane.” Yet both used expedited removals to streamline deportations, often at the cost of legal protections. Obama’s defenders argued he balanced enforcement with reforms like DACA, while Trump’s backers claim he’s restoring order. Critics of both say due process suffered.

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

 

Obama’s 3.2 million deportations, with 75–83% lacking due process, set a precedent for efficient but controversial immigration enforcement. Trump’s ongoing policies, echoing this approach, face similar scrutiny for prioritizing speed over fairness. The debate remains heated: how should the U.S. balance security and justice? Understanding these facts helps clarify the challenges both administrations faced.

Deportations and Due Process: Comparing Obama and Trump Policies

I am not here to defend Obama or Democrats or Republicans.  How about defending humanity for a change instead of playing politics?

"Yet both used expedited removals to streamline deportations, often at the cost of legal protections."

 

blackbird, are you white? If you are, then why do you exhibit so much hate for your skin color? Do you believe you are cursed? Or were you brainwashed into hating yourself? What gives?