Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[gatomontes99]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nonsense.  You are accusing me for saying how I see things going as giving protestors moral authority to break the law.

That is an outright lie.   Speaking the truth is not inciting anything.  People are responsible for their own action.

 

 

You are giving them the moral authority to break the law. They are using your language. 

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trump and people like you are not true conservatives.  

Conservatives don't believe in crushing dissent or political protest. 

Conservatives don't believe in just arresting people and deporting them without due process.

 

Good thing none of that is happening. Just because you label it as such doesn't mean it is so. You've defined these things by how they make you feel and not by reality. 

[blackbird]

44 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are giving them the moral authority to break the law. They are using your language. 

BS.  I don't have the authority to give anyone authority to do anything.  You are using a false pretext to try to deny someone the right to speak. 

Edited June 11 by blackbird

[blackbird]

29 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are giving them the moral authority to break the law. They are using your language. 

Good thing none of that is happening. Just because you label it as such doesn't mean it is so. You've defined these things by how they make you feel and not by reality. 

"

On Wednesday, January 29th the Laken Riley Act was signed into law after the House approved the bill the same day. The act in question allows undocumented immigrants accused of certain crimes to be detained and deported prior to conviction or any legal process. Once in effect, it will permanently change the legal traditions of the U.S.

Both citizens and non-citizens residing in the United States, regardless of legal status, have rights by law for a timely and fair trial or review as per the fifth and sixth amendments of the Constitution. This law takes that right away from undocumented immigrants accused of specific crimes. The law represents the first legislative victory of President Trump’s second term in office."

Undocumented Immigrants to be Deported Without Due Process Per Laken Riley Act » ImmigrationUSA

[blackbird]

33 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Good thing none of that is happening.

"Since 2014, an unprecedented surge of in absentia removal orders has resulted in the deportation of tens of thousands of noncitizens, often at the expense of due process.[1] The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) permits an immigration judge to order a noncitizen removed in absentia—that is, “in the absence” of the noncitizen—if the government establishes by clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence that a written notice, called a notice to appear (NTA), was provided to the noncitizen and that the noncitizen is removable.[2] Since the Obama Administration, the Executive Branch has ordered immigration officers and judges to initiate and adjudicate removal claims rapidly.[3] This pressure to close cases has led immigration judges to issue an endless amount of in absentia removal orders against noncitizens without due process: proper notice and the opportunity to participate in their hearings. [4] As one former immigration judge explained, “issuing a removal order in absentia can serve as a low-pressure way for immigration judges to meet quotas and for the immigration court system to chug along, hoping that due process failures in in absentia cases will not actually be challenged or exposed.”[5] The result: year after year, thousands of noncitizens are stunned to learn that they are being deported without ever having known that a hearing took place."

The ICE Trap: Deportation Without Due Process | UCLA Law Review

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, User said:

We are not talking about how individual Christians treat migrants. 

The sermon Jesus gave in Matthew 25 still has the general principle of the other central command in the Bible which is "though shalt love they neighbour as thyself".   Governments and those in authority have the responsibility to treatment migrants, even if they came in illegally, with justice and compassion and respect their human rights.

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems let in 10M people, and "270 of them were kicked out without due process". That's 0.0027% of them. One in every 37,000 people.

How many of those 270 people have gang tattoos on their face or neck?

257?

You've become an old lady now blackbird. 

No, according to this reputable source thousands of undocumented migrants have been deported without due process.

Thousands of people have been denied human rights and due process for years now.  The 270 number is only the number sent to the notorious CECOT prison, and does not include the thousands deported without any due process or human rights.  

quote

Since 2014, an unprecedented surge of in absentia removal orders has resulted in the deportation of tens of thousands of noncitizens, often at the expense of due process.[1] The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) permits an immigration judge to order a noncitizen removed in absentia—that is, “in the absence” of the noncitizen—if the government establishes by clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence that a written notice, called a notice to appear (NTA), was provided to the noncitizen and that the noncitizen is removable.[2] Since the Obama Administration, the Executive Branch has ordered immigration officers and judges to initiate and adjudicate removal claims rapidly.[3] This pressure to close cases has led immigration judges to issue an endless amount of in absentia removal orders against noncitizens without due process: proper notice and the opportunity to participate in their hearings. [4] As one former immigration judge explained, “issuing a removal order in absentia can serve as a low-pressure way for immigration judges to meet quotas and for the immigration court system to chug along, hoping that due process failures in in absentia cases will not actually be challenged or exposed.”[5] The result: year after year, thousands of noncitizens are stunned to learn that they are being deported without ever having known that a hearing took place."

The ICE Trap: Deportation Without Due Process | UCLA Law Review

 

 

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems let in 10M people, and "270 of them were kicked out without due process". That's 0.0027% of them.

That is misinformation you are spreading.  Claiming Biden let in 10M people is fake news, which has been debunked by Meta-PolitiFact

quote

No, 10 million people have not entered the U.S. under Biden as pastor Franklin Graham claims

There have been 8.7 million migrant encounters since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021. Encounters are events and do not represent people; the same person can try entering the country multiple times, and each time is an encounter.

Encounters don’t represent how many people have entered illegally and are now living in the U.S. 

No spin, just facts you can trust. Here's how we do it.

See the sources for this fact-check

Evangelical pastor Franklin Graham made a trip to Texas and, while there, he waded into the immigration debate.

"(Joe Biden) undid all of the policies that former President Donald J. Trump put in place," Graham wrote in a Feb. 27 Facebook post.  "As a result, over 10 million people have come across the border with no vetting, no plan, and no path."

Days later, Graham, son of the late evangelist Billy Graham, shared a photo of himself shaking hands with Trump. "Look who I ran into at the border today! He was a great encouragement to many here," he wrote.

The Facebook post was flagged as part of Meta’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram.)

Graham did not cite evidence for this claim and did not respond to PolitiFact’s request for comment.

A November 2023 report by Pew Research Center estimated that "the unauthorized immigrant population in the United States reached 10.5 million in 2021." But that figure includes people who have lived in the U.S. for years, even decades before Biden became president. 

We have seen this 10 million figure cited before, with some articles attributing it to The Center Square, a conservative news outlet. The Center Square’s article appears to have based some of its numbers on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s nationwide encounters data, including for a number of months Trump was in office. The Center Square also said it based its analysis partly on information from a U.S. Border Patrol agent who wanted to remain anonymous.

But the encounters data represents stops at the border — not people. These numbers don’t tell us how many people now live in the United States after crossing the border illegally. For example, a person who has been stopped by border officials on three separate occasions would be counted as three encounters. People encountered by immigration officials can be turned away, detained in federal custody or released into the country.

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Donald Trump

stated on April 29, 2025 in an interview

“If people come into our country illegally, there’s a different standard” for due process.

By Maria Ramirez Uribe • May 8, 2025

The Customs and Border Patrol encounters data shows that from February 2021, Biden’s first full month as president, to January 2024, the month with the latest available data, immigration officials recorded nearly 8.8 million encounters nationwide.

There also have been more than 3.6 million removals, returns and expulsions from February 2021, Biden’s first month in office, to September 2023, based on Department of Homeland Security estimates.

There are no definitive numbers for how many people have entered the country illegally since Biden became president in January 2021. It is also hard to accurately measure the number of people who have illegally crossed the U.S. border because border authorities don’t stop everyone.

We rate the claim that "over 10 million people have come across the border with no vetting, no plan, and no path" during Biden’s presidency False.

PolitiFact Staff Writer Maria Ramirez Uribe contributed to this report  

unquote

PolitiFact | No, 10 million people have not entered the U.S. under Biden as pastor Franklin Graham claims

 

 

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems let in 10M people,

No, you need to read some history of undocumented immigration to the U.S.  It has been going on for many decades under both Republican and Democratic administrations.  It is not unique to the Democrats.

quote

By 1980, the number of people in the U.S. without authorization had grown to 1.5 million. That decade witnessed what Clemens calls a demographic and economic perfect storm.

A Mexican economic crisis sent many young Mexicans looking for work, while a booming U.S. economy meant fewer young Americans were entering the workforce. By 1986, there were 3.2 million unauthorized people in the U.S., prompting action from Congress.

The Simpson-Mazzoli Act was introduced as a way to end illegal border crossings once and for all. It had three parts: Give amnesty to those who had been in the country for at least five years, crack down on employers who hire people who can't legally work here, and pump up border security to prevent future illegal crossings.

President Reagan supported the bill and signed it into law in 1986. Three million people were granted amnesty under the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, but by 1990 the number of unauthorized immigrants was back up to 3.5 million.

"Border enforcement never really kicked in in any significant way until about a decade later — the mid '90s," Meissner says. "Then, the real centerpiece of it, which was employer sanctions, was very weak. There was not really an effective way to enforce employer sanctions and lots of ways for both employers and workers to get around it."

Moreover, those who had been in the U.S. less than five years weren't eligible for the amnesty.

"So those people who couldn't apply for the legalization program became the seedbed for today's 11 million," Meissner says.

Boom and bust

The U.S enjoyed huge economic expansion through the 1990s, which sent the number of unauthorized immigrants soaring. According to the Pew Research Center, by 1995, despite increased border enforcement, the population hit 5.7 million.

As it became more difficult and dangerous for migrants to go back and forth between their homes in Mexico and jobs in the U.S., many of them stayed in the U.S. The growth continued, reaching 8.6 million in the year 2000.

"Things slowed down a little bit with the recession in 2001 to [2003]," Passel says. "And then the flows picked up again as the economy heated up through 2006 to [2007]."

It was then that the country hit the highest number — more than 12 million.

"With the onset of the Great Recession, the flows ceased, pretty much, for a couple of years," Passel says. "After 2009, the U.S. economy expanded, unemployment rates went down, but the unauthorized flows did not pick up again.

The number has been around 11 million for almost a decade.

2017 snapshot

Today, the population of unauthorized immigrants is more urban, less seasonal and less Mexican than it used to be. About 52 percent are from Mexico, and the population is less single and male than before.

U.S.

10 Years After The New Bedford ICE Raid, Immigrant Community Has Hope

"At this point, the unauthorized immigrant population is largely a family-based population," Passel says. "About half of the unauthorized immigrant adults in the United States have U.S.-born children."

An estimated 40 percent of unauthorized immigrants did not sneak into the country; they entered legally and overstayed their visas. The work they do has changed from being strictly agricultural to a range of mostly low-wage, low-skilled jobs such as landscaping, meat rendering and back kitchen work in restaurants.

All Things Considered editor Andrea Hsu and intern Esteban Bustillos contributed to this report.   unquote

How Did We Get To 11 Million Unauthorized Immigrants? : NPR

[gatomontes99]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

BS.  I don't have the authority to give anyone authority to do anything.  You are using a false pretext to try to deny someone the right to speak. 

You aren't just saying this stuff to friends and family. You put it on the internet. The entire world can see it. You are contributing to the normalization af radicalization. You are part of the problem. 

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

On Wednesday, January 29th the Laken Riley Act was signed into law after the House approved the bill the same day. The act in question allows undocumented immigrants accused of certain crimes to be detained and deported prior to conviction or any legal process. Once in effect, it will permanently change the legal traditions of the U.S.

Both citizens and non-citizens residing in the United States, regardless of legal status, have rights by law for a timely and fair trial or review as per the fifth and sixth amendments of the Constitution. This law takes that right away from undocumented immigrants accused of specific crimes. The law represents the first legislative victory of President Trump’s second term in office."

Undocumented Immigrants to be Deported Without Due Process Per Laken Riley Act » ImmigrationUSA

There is no due process for expedited removal. That has always been the law. What was a violation of the law was releasing aliens subject to removal even if they were claiming asylum. What was also illegal was issuing them SSN and work permits:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/8/235.3

"(ii) No entitlement to hearings and appeals. Except as otherwise provided in this section, such alien is not entitled to a hearing before an immigration judge in proceedings conducted pursuant to section 240 of the Act, or to an appeal of the expedited removal order to the Board of Immigration Appeals. "

"(iii) Detention and parole of alien in expedited removal. An alien whose inadmissibility is being considered under this section or who has been ordered removed pursuant to this section shall be detained pending determination and removal. "

"(ii) Detention pending credible fear interview. Pending the credible fear determination by an asylum officer and any review of that determination by an immigration judge, the alien shall be detained. "

 

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

"Since 2014, an unprecedented surge of in absentia removal orders has resulted in the deportation of tens of thousands of noncitizens, often at the expense of due process.[1] The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) permits an immigration judge to order a noncitizen removed in absentia—that is, “in the absence” of the noncitizen—if the government establishes by clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence that a written notice, called a notice to appear (NTA), was provided to the noncitizen and that the noncitizen is removable.[2] Since the Obama Administration, the Executive Branch has ordered immigration officers and judges to initiate and adjudicate removal claims rapidly.[3] This pressure to close cases has led immigration judges to issue an endless amount of in absentia removal orders against noncitizens without due process: proper notice and the opportunity to participate in their hearings. [4] As one former immigration judge explained, “issuing a removal order in absentia can serve as a low-pressure way for immigration judges to meet quotas and for the immigration court system to chug along, hoping that due process failures in in absentia cases will not actually be challenged or exposed.”[5] The result: year after year, thousands of noncitizens are stunned to learn that they are being deported without ever having known that a hearing took place."

The ICE Trap: Deportation Without Due Process | UCLA Law Review

The laws above don't require a hearing. 

[User]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

The sermon Jesus gave in Matthew 25 still has the general principle of the other central command in the Bible which is "though shalt love they neighbour as thyself".   Governments and those in authority have the responsibility to treatment migrants, even if they came in illegally, with justice and compassion and respect their human rights.

You said I did not know what was going on in regards to protests then changed the subject to this. 

So... you ever going to come back to that point or just run away like you have from just about every baseless assertion you have tried to make on here?

Also, the Government has zero responsibility to adhere to The Bible. Also, you have yet to make an argument for how they are not being treated with "justice, compassion, and respect for human rights"

[User]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, according to this reputable source thousands of undocumented migrants have been deported without due process.

"Due process" is just some magical phrase you use that has no meaning. 

If someone is observed by border patrol coming across the border illegally or they have been captured within a certain distance to the border... "due process" for them IS expedited removal. 

They don't get a year of ACLU appeals to try to stay here. 

 

[Nationalist]

@blackbird...

As you have learned, this whole argument about "due process" is garbage. Sh1t flung at the wall in hopes it sticks...which it hasn't.

I understand your feelings on the subject. But the relevant laws are being adhered to. And you are going to have to accept that big problems require big solutions. This is not "fascist"...it's "common sense".

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You aren't just saying this stuff to friends and family. You put it on the internet.

YOU are doing exactly the same thing.  But you don't believe I have the right to post my comments.  That makes you a hypocrit and a fascist.

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

There is no due process for expedited removal.

 So you admit you don't believe in due process.  Denying due process is denial of human rights and is fascism.  That has been my point.  Quit hiding behind the claim I don't have a right to say that.  Nothing more to discuss.  

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

@blackbird...

As you have learned, this whole argument about "due process" is garbage. Sh1t flung at the wall in hopes it sticks...which it hasn't.

I understand your feelings on the subject. But the relevant laws are being adhered to. And you are going to have to accept that big problems require big solutions. This is not "fascist"...it's "common sense".

We will have to agree to disagree.  I believe denying due process is denying human rights and is fascism.  End of story.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

We will have to agree to disagree.  I believe denying due process is denying human rights and is fascism.  End of story.

Even though you now see that "due process" is being provided.

That's just stubborn denial of facts.

So be it.

[gatomontes99]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

YOU are doing exactly the same thing.  But you don't believe I have the right to post my comments.  That makes you a hypocrit and a fascist.

I'm really not. I am calling you out for having inflammatory rhetoric that supports the violence in LA and several other cities now. You are the one trying to dehumanize me. 

 

To be clear, I am holding you to civil standards while you are creating justification to attack me. 

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you admit you don't believe in due process.  Denying due process is denial of human rights and is fascism.  That has been my point.  Quit hiding behind the claim I don't have a right to say that.  Nothing more to discuss.  

No. I am saying that due process has been applied:

Quote

 What is due process?

Due process (or due process of law) primarily refers to the concept found in the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution, which says no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law" by the federal government. The Fourteenth Amendment , ratified in 1868, uses the same eleven words, called the Due Process Clause, to extend this obligation the the states. These words have as their central promise an assurance that all levels of American government must operate within the law ("legality") and provide fair procedures.

There are at least three other uses of the phrase "due process" in American constitutional law, and this article will also touch on each briefly. 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process

What that is saying is that the government must abide by rights and follow processes as written in law. I quoted the process above. You just don't know what you are talking about.

And, again, you attack me and try to dehumanize me. All because you were ignorant regarding the law. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

I'm really not. I am calling you out for having inflammatory rhetoric that supports the violence in LA and several other cities now. You are the one trying to dehumanize me. 

Another lie.  I never said anywhere I support violence in LA or anywhere else.  You falsely accuse me of using inflammatory rhetoric.   I never did.  Saying that deportation without due process is fascism is reasonable comment.  Quit lying.

I support peaceful protest, which is another human right.  If people disagree with Trump and his deporting migrants policies or methods they have a perfect right to protest it peacefully.  Nobody here is supporting any illegal behavior.  But you deceitfully say I use inflammatory rhetoric.  False. 

quote

The Trump administration makes clear nearly every day that the rule of law is for chumps.

It has been nearly three months since they deported 137 Venezuelans without hearings to a maximum-security prison in El Salvador, where they are being held indefinitely in horrific conditions. Others have been deported to third countries with which they have no connection.

Many have been deported in clear violation of federal court orders enjoining the administration from doing so. Judges have repeatedly held that deportation without notice and a hearing is illegal. The administration has claimed to have no power to obtain the return of people sent, even in defiance of a court order, because they are no longer in the United States.

Eight detainees were being sent to South Sudan, one of the world’s worst conflict zones. A Boston judge said it was “unquestionably in violation of this court’s order”. Rather than returning them, the Trump administration diverted the plane to another African country wracked by conflict, Djibouti, where they are held in a shipping container.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Venezuelan who the administration admitted had been deported by mistake, and had been cleared to remain in the United States because of a legitimate fear of gang violence, was accused by Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, of being an MS-13 gang member himself.

Secretary Noem declared that he would never return to the United States. On Friday, the Trump administration was somehow able to obtain the consent of El Salvador’s president to send him back, but only after a quick indictment was obtained accusing him of being a human trafficker, based on a 2022 traffic stop where other migrants were in his van. For more than three years, Garcia checked in monthly with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which knew of the traffic stop and saw no wrongdoing.

This is the backdrop of the protest and violence that have erupted in California in recent days. It appears to foreshadow the next stage of lawlessness and a movement toward governing by emergency decree.

Unlike the January 6 riots at the Capitol, the protests in Los Angeles were largely peaceful. To be sure, there were incidents of violence, a classic situation calling for police intervention. Five LAPD officers suffered minor injuries, none life-threatening. No ICE injuries were reported.

unquote

Voices: Trump’s response to the LA protests is a stark warning of what’s to come

 

Edited June 11 by blackbird

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

On Wednesday, January 29th the Laken Riley Act was signed into law after the House approved the bill the same day. The act in question allows undocumented immigrants accused of certain crimes to be detained and deported prior to conviction or any legal process. Once in effect, it will permanently change the legal traditions of the U.S.

Both citizens and non-citizens residing in the United States, regardless of legal status, have rights by law for a timely and fair trial or review as per the fifth and sixth amendments of the Constitution. This law takes that right away from undocumented immigrants accused of specific crimes. The law represents the first legislative victory of President Trump’s second term in office."

Undocumented Immigrants to be Deported Without Due Process Per Laken Riley Act » ImmigrationUSA

Due process needs to apply only to those who are here legally, NOT illegally. The Repubs need to get to work on that to make it concrete. Same goes for anchor babies and any other bullshit democrats want in place. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

This is the backdrop of the protest and violence that have erupted in California in recent days. It appears to foreshadow the next stage of lawlessness and a movement toward governing by emergency decree.

The lawlessness is on the streets, Trump is the one protecting federal property from it. 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Unlike the January 6 riots at the Capitol, the protests in Los Angeles were largely peaceful. To be sure, there were incidents of violence, a classic situation calling for police intervention. Five LAPD officers suffered minor injuries, none life-threatening. No ICE injuries were reported.

This is such a stupid thing to say, so dishonest. 

The vast majority of people on the 6th showed up and went home without incident. The vast majority of people who were at the Capitol were not violent. 

Injuries are not the only measure of lawlessness, as ICE facilities and other government buildings were being surrounded by lawlessness, causing destruction to property and impeding federal officers from doing their jobs. On top of the lawlessness that was surrounding them in their vehicles and attacking them while they were inside of them. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

That is misinformation you are spreading.  Claiming Biden let in 10M people is fake news, which has been debunked by Meta-PolitiFact

quote

No, 10 million people have not entered the U.S. under Biden as pastor Franklin Graham claims

There have been 8.7 million migrant encounters since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021. Encounters are events and do not represent people; the same person can try entering the country multiple times, and each time is an encounter.

Encounters don’t represent how many people have entered illegally and are now living in the U.S. 

No spin, just facts you can trust. Here's how we do it.

 

BUT,  that does not include the people who got in undetected WITHOUT an 'encounter' due to lax border enforcement, encouragement policy by Biden, and an unwilliness to pursue them once they illegally crossed. 

The gov't calls those they detect (border cameras, sensors) but never find "gotaways"

 

In all, the report estimated 1.5 million gotaways had entered the country from when Biden took office to May 16, 2023.

Illegal border crossings are up but not 51 million | Fact check

So that report didn't even include 2024. Based on previous years that would put it over 2 million. 

Only a very small percent of people try to enter twice in the same year. Far less than 2 million. 

Soooo yeppers, it's reasonable to estimate that the nunber of illlegals who entered  the us under biden is 10 million or more 

[blackbird]

37 minutes ago, User said:

This is such a stupid thing to say, so dishonest. 

Nonsense.  The January 6th riots were anarchy and law-breaking.  A large number of the January 6th rioters broke into the government building, which was entirely illegal.   FIVE people died as a result of the capital Jan. 6th riot.

Did 5 People Die During Jan. 6 Capitol Riot? | Snopes.com

"As of January 20, 2025, 1,575 people were charged in connection with the January 6 attack. The FBI has estimated that around 2,000 people took part in criminal acts at the event. [7] Upon Donald Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2025, he pardoned all but 14 of about 1,270 convicted rioters."

List of cases of the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

 

Edited June 11 by blackbird

[User]

Just now, blackbird said:

Nonsense.  The January 6th riots were anarchy and law-breaking.  A large number of the January 6th rioters broke into the government building, which was entirely illegal.   FIVE people died during the capital Jan. 6th riot.

Did 5 People Die During Jan. 6 Capitol Riot? | Snopes.com

The dishonest part was you trying to say they were not mostly peaceful while the LA lawlessness going on now is. 

I did not comment on the unlawful activity on Jan 6th not being unlawful. 

You are quite simply continuing to push a lie. 

The smaller estimates are that around 50,000 people went to WDC on the 6th and listened to Trump. Of those about 10,000 then marched to the Capitol. Of those, only about 2,000 went inside the Capitol. Of those only about 700 were engaged in any level of violenec, which includes merely touching law enforcement. Only a couple hundred were engaged in any real levels of violence. 

So, enough of your stupid bullshit lies. 

Jan 6th was "mostly peaceful"

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, User said:

an 6th was "mostly peaceful"

Seriously???   Can't believe you would say that.   1270 people were convicted as a result of the Jan. 6th riots.   Five people died as a result and you say it was "mostly peaceful".  

[User]

Just now, blackbird said:

Seriously???   Can't believe you would say that.   1270 people were convicted as a result of the Jan. 6th riots.   Five people died as a result and you say it was "mostly peaceful".  

Yes, I can believe you completely ignored the facts like you typically do on here. 

Here you go again:

"The smaller estimates are that around 50,000 people went to WDC on the 6th and listened to Trump. Of those about 10,000 then marched to the Capitol. Of those, only about 2,000 went inside the Capitol. Of those only about 700 were engaged in any level of violenec, which includes merely touching law enforcement. Only a couple hundred were engaged in any real levels of violence. 

So, enough of your stupid bullshit lies. 

Jan 6th was "mostly peaceful"

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 Five people died as a result and you say it was "mostly peaceful".  

This is another lie. 

Only one person died that day because of the violence, and it was Ashli Babbitt who the Capitol Police shot. 

 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, User said:

The dishonest part was you trying to say they were not mostly peaceful while the LA lawlessness going on now is. 

Nothing dishonest about what I said.   I did not condone any violence and did not say there was no violence in the LA protests.  Of course there was.   I simply said people have a right to protest peacefully.  It is you that brought up Jan. 6th and now you want to debate how much unlawful rioting is going on.  That is not the subject here at all.  It is you being deceitful in diverting the conversation.

[User]

Just now, blackbird said:

It is you that brought up Jan. 6th

You are nothing but a lousy pathetic liar. YOU brought it up:

"Unlike the January 6 riots at the Capitol, the protests in Los Angeles were largely peaceful. "