User Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 4 hours ago, blackbird said: Why was he and many others knowingly sent to a known human rights violation country and torture / death prison in the first place? The Trump administration knew exactly what they were doing. They even paid that country six million dollars to take them. This is a lie. He was not "knowingly" sent there, it was already established this was a mistake and he was soon removed from CECOT as well. You continue to conflate separate issues here with what happened to Garcia and the invoking of the Alien Enemies Act to deport a very select group of illegal immigrants declared to be an invading force. Quote
blackbird Posted June 9 Author Report Posted June 9 2 hours ago, User said: This is a lie. He was not "knowingly" sent there, it was already established this was a mistake and he was soon removed from CECOT as well. "Since March, the Trump administration has deported a total of 271 Salvadoran and Venezuelan migrants from the US to the CECOT megaprison in El Salvador. The deportees are claimed to belong to criminal organizations, but no evidence has been provided." Obviously the reason the administration claimed sending Kilmar Garcia to CECOT was an "administration error" was because of the court cases that ruled against sending him in the first place. The court rulings against the administration were the reason he was transferred to another prison and finally brought back. What about the other 270 migrants who were sent to CECOT and had their human rights violated? Let's face it, you don't believe in human rights or due process. 1 Quote
User Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 1 minute ago, blackbird said: Obviously the reason the administration claimed sending Kilmar Garcia to CECOT was an "administration error" was because of the court cases that ruled against sending him in the first place. The court rulings against the administration were the reason he was transferred to another prison and finally brought back. What about the other 270 migrants who were sent to CECOT and had their human rights violated? Let's face it, you don't believe in human rights or due process. It was not a claim; they spelled it out with signed affidavits from those responsible that it was an error. The 270 ILLEGAL immigrants. You have no human right to invade another country and come there illegally, especially not as a member of a known violent gang. Let's face it, you just don't care about illegal immigration and don't want our laws enforced. You don't care how many people are harmed by illegal immigrants. Quote
blackbird Posted June 9 Author Report Posted June 9 (edited) 28 minutes ago, User said: It was not a claim; they spelled it out with signed affidavits from those responsible that it was an error. The 270 ILLEGAL immigrants. You have no human right to invade another country and come there illegally, especially not as a member of a known violent gang. Let's face it, you just don't care about illegal immigration and don't want our laws enforced. You don't care how many people are harmed by illegal immigrants. "Instead, the US president is publicly toying with the idea of having US citizens imprisoned in CECOT." Just more evidence he doesn't care about human rights. " "Why is the government of El Salvador continuing to imprison a man where they have no evidence that he's committed any crime and they have not been provided any evidence from the United States that he has committed any crime?" Democratic senator Chris Van Hollen, who is from Abrego Garcia's home state of Maryland, asked reporters after a meeting with the prisoner in El Salvador. With US media casting doubt on the alleged criminal past of other migrants who have been deported to CECOT, Van Hollen accused the Trump administration of lying, and criticized their disregard of judicial orders." US deportations to El Salvador test legal limits – DW – 04/19/2025 Edited June 9 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted June 9 Author Report Posted June 9 38 minutes ago, User said: The 270 ILLEGAL immigrants. You have no human right to invade another country and come there illegally, especially not as a member of a known violent gang. There was no due process and no court determined they are violent gang members. These people have not been tried or convicted of anything. "Judges orders Trump administration to give due process to some migrants sent to El Salvador's CECOT" A significant number sent to CECOT in El Salvador are actually Venezuelans and courts have ruled against sending them to CECOT. Bing Videos Quote
User Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 22 minutes ago, blackbird said: There was no due process and no court determined they are violent gang members. These people have not been tried or convicted of anything. "Judges orders Trump administration to give due process to some migrants sent to El Salvador's CECOT" A significant number sent to CECOT in El Salvador are actually Venezuelans and courts have ruled against sending them to CECOT. Bing Videos Define "Due Process" because the administration had enough evidence to determine they were and they don't have to be "convicted" of anything. Yes, this is being played out in the courts which is why the administration is not still sending people there. 43 minutes ago, blackbird said: Just more evidence he doesn't care about human rights. Why do you keep quoting things about Garcia being imprisoned there? He has been brought back. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 1 minute ago, User said: Define "Due Process" because the administration had enough evidence to determine they were and they don't have to be "convicted" of anything. Yes, this is being played out in the courts which is why the administration is not still sending people there. I feel like this is a real problem, the 'no due process' portion. Due process it's illegal principle that says the government must respect the legal rights of citizens. But it is never an on or off switch, in the vast majority of due process violations, which happened literally every day with improper search and seizure etc etc, the person has received due process through 99% of the process but there is one flaw or one thing that was handled poorly that represents a small violation. The law is intolerant of even small violations and so it should be. But that is not the same as saying there was NO due process at all. In fact these people had quite a bit of due process. But the court has said in the specific cases was that their notification time wasn't quite long enough and there were some other minor problems and that needs to change. So they were given due process but elements of the process are not strong enough and need to be strengthened and the court asked the gov't to present a plan for that. Not that they were "DENIED DUE PROCESS", which is not true. It's not like people get 100 percent 'due process' or 0 percent and there's nothing in between. And if there is a due process violation that doesn't mean the gov't "IGNORED DUE PROCESS", it means in most cases that they believed the actions take DID fall within the due process requirements or that a mistake was made. While it would have seen that the current process requires Improvement to be satisfactory for the courts it can hardly be said that trump is ignoring due process. I rather doubt that he was the one that came up with the process in the first place and he probably thought it was perfectly legal I did a number of other experts probably advised him that it was probably legal Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 On 6/9/2025 at 9:22 AM, blackbird said: There was no due process and no court determined they are violent gang members. These people have not been tried or convicted of anything. "Judges orders Trump administration to give due process to some migrants sent to El Salvador's CECOT" A significant number sent to CECOT in El Salvador are actually Venezuelans and courts have ruled against sending them to CECOT. Bing Videos Trying to convince MAGA FOOLS with a complex legal argument is a fool's errand. To them undocumented presence in the US is proof of a CRIME even though it is routinely a minor civil violation like over staying a VISA. Quote
User Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 7 minutes ago, robosmith said: To them undocumented presence in the US is proof of a CRIME even though it is routinely a minor civil violation like over staying a VISA. Once again... being in the country "undocumented" is a crime, it is illegal. Calling it a "routinely minor civil violation" doesn't change that. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 48 minutes ago, User said: Once again... being in the country "undocumented" is a crime, it is illegal. Calling it a "routinely minor civil violation" doesn't change that. "He wasn't murdered, he simply had an undesirable knife-throat interface event!". It's easy to decriminalize things by simply rephrasing them the more pleasant to hear way 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
WestCanMan Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 On 6/9/2025 at 9:22 AM, blackbird said: There was no due process and no court determined they are violent gang members. These people have not been tried or convicted of anything. "Judges orders Trump administration to give due process to some migrants sent to El Salvador's CECOT" A significant number sent to CECOT in El Salvador are actually Venezuelans and courts have ruled against sending them to CECOT. Bing Videos The Dems let in 10M people, and "270 of them were kicked out without due process". That's 0.0027% of them. One in every 37,000 people. How many of those 270 people have gang tattoos on their face or neck? 257? You've become an old lady now blackbird. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
gatomontes99 Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 On 6/4/2025 at 4:02 PM, blackbird said: What is happening in a country which was once supposed to be a leading country for human rights and freedoms is shocking. " The group has collected dozens of reports from immigration attorneys whose clients were immediately arrested after their court appearances only to be placed into expedited removal proceedings where they can be rapidly deported without an opportunity to appear before a judge. Detainees include immigrants of all ages, including families with young children and toddlers as young as two and three years old, according to the group’s analysis of recent arrests. In at least one case, ICE agents detained children who were in court with their parents and attempted to arrest a mother with a nursing infant, the report found." Outrage after California fourth grader is detained by ICE agents during immigration hearing And posts like this are what incite violence. See LA. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 49 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: And posts like this are what incite violence. See LA. So you accuse anybody who opposes the way Trump is doing things as "inciting violence". That sounds fascist. Trump sent in national guard soldiers to Los Angeles to allegedly stop vandalism or criminal behavior but he is also crushing any peaceful protests against his policies. Some news reports say he is actually inciting violence by using excessive force against protesters. Whatever happened to the right to protest against government's policies or actions? Are you saying that is no longer permitted?? Quote
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: The Dems let in 10M people, and "270 of them were kicked out without due process". That's 0.0027% of them. One in every 37,000 people. How many of those 270 people have gang tattoos on their face or neck? 257? You've become an old lady now blackbird. No I haven't. I don't support fascism. Why do you? You may lose democratic rights and human rights if you go that route. Everyone's rights have to be respected and defended otherwise everyone's rights may be lost. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: So you accuse anybody who opposes the way Trump is doing things as "inciting violence". That sounds fascist. Trump sent in national guard soldiers to Los Angeles to allegedly stop vandalism or criminal behavior but he is also crushing any peaceful protests against his policies. Some news reports say he is actually inciting violence by using excessive force against protesters. Whatever happened to the right to protest against government's policies or actions? Are you saying that is no longer permitted?? No it's perfectly fine to oppose a politician. Encouraged even. But, rhetoric like fascist, Hitler, threat to democracy, etc are giving these protestors the imagined moral authority to use violence. Because of people like you, they have justification (in theor monds) for trying to kill police. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: The Dems let in 10M people, and "270 of them were kicked out without due process". That's 0.0027% of them. One in every 37,000 people. No, 270 were sent to CECOT torture / death prison. That doesn't count how many others were arbitrary just deported to other places without due process. Quote
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: No it's perfectly fine to oppose a politician. Encouraged even. But, rhetoric like fascist, Hitler, threat to democracy, etc are giving these protestors the imagined moral authority to use violence. Because of people like you, they have justification (in theor monds) for trying to kill police. Nonsense. You are accusing me for saying how I see things going as giving protestors moral authority to break the law. That is an outright lie. Speaking the truth is not inciting anything. People are responsible for their own action. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: No it's perfectly fine to oppose a politician. Encouraged even. But, rhetoric like fascist, Hitler, threat to democracy, etc are giving these protestors the imagined moral authority to use violence. Because of people like you, they have justification (in theor monds) for trying to kill police. Trump and people like you are not true conservatives. Conservatives don't believe in crushing dissent or political protest. Conservatives don't believe in just arresting people and deporting them without due process. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: And posts like this are what incite violence. See LA. So you're saying I have no right to speak if I use the word or idea of fascism. Fascism definition: -extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior: -very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area: The way illegal migrants are rounded up and sent to a torture/death prison in El Salvador fits the definition of fascism because it is authoritarian, and intolerant. Action against people that causes harm to them and denies the right to due process and does not respect human rights fits the definition of fascism. Edited June 11 by blackbird 1 Quote
User Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 38 minutes ago, blackbird said: Trump sent in national guard soldiers to Los Angeles to allegedly stop vandalism or criminal behavior but he is also crushing any peaceful protests against his policies. Some news reports say he is actually inciting violence by using excessive force against protesters. Whatever happened to the right to protest against government's policies or actions? Are you saying that is no longer permitted?? Trump is not stopping peaceful protests. Where do you get that baseless assertion from? The troops are guarding federal property, they are not out stopping protests. You are playing a dumb game where you repeat that "some news reports say..." Is that what you believe is happening because you are on here getting pretty upset of being accused of incitement yourself and saying that people are responsible for their own actions. Nothing happened to the right to protest. Quote
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, User said: Nothing happened to the right to protest. You apparently don't know what is going on or are pretending you don't know. Quote
User Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: You apparently don't know what is going on or are pretending you don't know. I do know what is going on. You clearly don't. This entire thread, every step of the way, I have been correcting your ignorant and wrong comments. Quote
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 quote 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. " Matthew 25:31-39 KJV How does this apply to the arrest of migrants en masse and deporting them without due process. Well, it does have some bearing. The way I see what Jesus is saying the disadvantaged, the weak, the poor, and those that do not have the papers because they came in illegally is not as simple as it might seem to deal with. Many came from horrendous circumstances in some other crime-ridden country, maybe run by gangs. Maybe they were threatened by gangs. Maybe they had kids and were worried about what was going to happen to them. So they walked hundreds of kilometres or miles to try to escape the horrendous situations they were in. After making it to a country they thought they would be safe in and their kids would be safe, they find out that things changed. Maybe ten years or more later, they are now being rounded up and forcefully taken. Their kids might be separated from the parents. These are things unimaginable to people who hold citizenship and don't have to deal with it. But It sounds like Jesus is saying how we treat the downtrodden and unfortunate (migrants), we will be held accountable for. If you take what Jesus said that way, then what is happening is not as simple as you think. Quote
blackbird Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, User said: I do know what is going on. You clearly don't. This entire thread, every step of the way, I have been correcting your ignorant and wrong comments. Read Matthew 25:31-46 KJV How migrants are treated would seem to fall under this part of Scripture. Quote
User Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Read Matthew 25:31-46 KJV How migrants are treated would seem to fall under this part of Scripture. We are not talking about how individual Christians treat migrants. Do you have anything relevant to share here? Quote
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